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yeh accrding to Jeff they burned the other 20 miles of records in all the camps but only on the polish side. dont you think that is odd.

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne


yeh accrding to Jeff they burned the other 20 miles of records in all the camps but only on the polish side. dont you think that is odd.

You mind providing the post where I said that?

Just the link would be fine, we all want to see this.

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne


yeh accrding to Jeff they burned the other 20 miles of records in all the camps but only on the polish side. dont you think that is odd.

You mind providing the post where I said that?

Just the link would be fine, we all want to see this.

you didnt not say "that" you said they destroyed the records and thre would have reasonably been 20 miles of records to record those activities, it could not have been on lousy file folder or cabinet or room of cabinets.

Its a nice cheap shot without any evidence or proof. (as usual)

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ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady

Not odd at all, considering all of the death camps were located in Poland.

So now what time to shut 1/2 the brain off?
You have to be joking that you do not understand what the significance is of the genocidial camps being in russia.

take a deep breath and think

Ah, because there is no emotional element to do things like that to children. Says quite a bit about you. Those children from the camps had plenty of emotional trauma. All the children exposed to any of it experienced quite a bit of emotional trauma. In fact, the end of last year, I spent 32 days with a woman, who while never in the camps, was a child during WWII and she remembers quite a bit.

there you go defend your strawman, do you people ever have a straight up honest discussion

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its done by passing law
you see that is how big countries do it.
they dont say write a note on every corner saying you cannot practice your religion how over the top laughable is that.
they pass a law that says you have to accept the jewish ritual mowlah sacrifice as a fact

And that is the point, only during the Third Reich, did either Germany or Austria force people into one religion. Both before and after, the LAW provided them with religious freedom. Duh.

Oh so hitler passed a holocuast denial laws? How fucking incredibly hilarious! definitely quit your day job and go for comedy

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Holocaust, genocide, slaughter and massacre can all be seen as synonyms. Evakuieren and auszurotten are not synonyms, in either the German language or English.
no they dont where the hell did you get that loony idea from?

Let's see....a thesaurus? Or are those made up as well?

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I do not reval saying that I do not speak german or that I have been to germany or that I have seen or not seen a camp.

yet you seem to think rational thought is a pile of bodies + a creamatorium + insecticide = ,ass gassing of people, how irrational is that?

I think you might have meant "revealed" or more likely "recall." In any case, you were asked the question on multiple occasions. You dodged the question each time, leaving no other logical conclusion that your information is from the oh so reliable internet.

I know you don't speak or understand German based on your posts and your lack of understanding of the language.

I don't believe you understand rational thought at all, so the rest is just humorous.

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Not odd at all, considering all of the death camps were located in Poland.

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then there should be court records that prove he was not who he said he was as a matter of record, OOOOPSIE there isnt. Just some pro jewish foundation building strawmen.

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"I was called up to serve in the emergency service as an airforce medic's helper with the Wehrmacht, when I was fourteen. The official drafting, I mean registration, followed later. ... I requested a confirmation from the War Archive because the kind of malicious discussion (within the ASBO, author) - above and beyond libel - angered me. There it can be seen that I already had an NCO rank as Truppfuehrer on September 16, 1944."

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

Where did I say they destroyed records? post number and link.

I see you have not responded to the link where all those documents you claim dont exist are available online.

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I am still waiting for those numbers of gassed people.

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then there should be court records that prove he was not who he said he was as a matter of record, OOOOPSIE there isnt. Just some pro jewish foundation building strawmen.

Are you dodging his age? Its a matter of public record.

His rank and at what age?

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"I was called up to serve in the emergency service as an airforce medic's helper with the Wehrmacht, when I was fourteen. The official drafting, I mean registration, followed later. ... I requested a confirmation from the War Archive because the kind of malicious discussion (within the ASBO, author) - above and beyond libel - angered me. There it can be seen that I already had an NCO rank as Truppfuehrer on September 16, 1944."

A direct quote

the videotape "Das Lachout Dokument", published by Zündel's Samisdat Verlag... you need to get it.. watch it.. then try and explain it in relationship to his other interviews, keeping in mind that during his trial he was competent enough to inundate the courts with over 12000 pages, lasting over 7 years, before being found too incompetent enough to stand trial.

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Just because guns are incomprehensible to you.

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I am still waiting for those numbers of gassed people.

No, you want a list of names. You have been given numbers

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You wouldnt agree with me even if you believed I was right. Was every person gassed? Nope. Some escaped through various measures, some survived that horrible time. But for anyone to actually insist these killings never happened in spite of the eye witness accounts of those who lived through that time, believing instead the officers and those who actually did the killing in those camps, to me is horrible... and as such, is a hate crime.

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Just because guns are incomprehensible to you.

Oh? Despite me owning a gun? How do you come to that conclusion?

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Since you demanded "proof" give some of your own. Link to that please.

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ORIGINAL: YN

So you wish to inspect the German proof of cause of death for every one of the 7 million dead here on collachat?

Yep I said that


And you don't read or speak German?

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A balance was struck that allows research while binding, in the form of a user statement, the archives´user himself/herself to protect individual data. At the same time the eleven states decided to task the ITS with providing copies of this documentation to those among them, which wish to make them accessible on their sovereign territory, through an archival repository of their choice and according to the data protection laws applicable in said country.

What information is contained in the collections of the ITS that makes them particularly important? The archive contains documents illustrating the persecution, the exploitation and the destruction of millions of civilians by the Nazis. Both, the mass and uniqueness, of these documents point up the systematic wrongdoing of, and the crimes methodically committed by, the National-Socialist regime between 1933 and 1945. They might not shed light into previously unknown phenomena of twentieth century history, but they certainly confirm, solidify and deepen understanding of the structures, methods and dimension of the Nazis´crimes. Thus, for example, deportations, demography of the camp inmates or questions related to health and mortality of forced labourers can henceforth be investigated in depth. Subjects such as “Aryanization”, but also the death marches may be analysed more accurately with the help of the ITS documents.

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ORIGINAL: MissAsylum

Ok, just a heads up- sending a link with a nationalist site does not help.

I'm Jewish, and I'm being unbiased here (just in case anybody feels that sways my opinion), and that clearly is a site with certain aims. So it is not a good link.

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Yale University Library suggests asking the following questions when doing research on the Internet:

Who is the author of the Web site? Are the author's credentials listed?
•What institution or organization is behind the Web site?
•When was the Web site created or last updated?
•Who is the intended audience for the Web site?
•Is the information provided objective or biased?
•How does information provided by the Web site compare to other works, including print works?

http://guides.library.yale.edu/content.php?pid=29272&sid=213812

The bold text above supports my point of http://www.666blacksun.org/satanic-national-socialism/questions-and-answers-on-the-holocaust/ not being a "good" link.


But back to what I was saying, it doesn't matter when the majority of the deaths occurred with my point.

"Shit conditions. We know about it. Let's keep putting more people in."

^ That seems intentional for a slow and painful death as far as I am concerned. Why do people get life in prison for that matter? Clearly, they are there until they die, yet those people are taken care until it happens. It's very costly, yet is done anyway. Just a modern day contrast in that regard.

I really don't care about the cremation procedures- since I made no mention of them in the first place.

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ORIGINAL: tobaccoman

They weren't death camps. They were labor camps. They were sent there to work, not to die. Like I said, if death was the main objective, why not just shoot them after the identification was confirmed? It's a waste of resources and time.

The majority of the deaths in these camps didn't occur until the last year or two of the war after Allied bombing of ground and rail transportation routes.

Yes, none of us were there, but knowledge of crematorium procedures with regards to the time taken to cremate a body and how long these machines are able to run before needing to be cleaned confirms the holocaust impossible to have happened.

Here's a good link with a Q & A about the holocaust
http://www.666blacksun.org/satanic-national-socialism/questions-and-answers-on-the-holocaust/

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so let's just say there were no gassing and burning (for the big fact is that none of us were there and have a 100% solid way of knowing for sure)- if a good number of people died in these camps from poor conditions (that many people in such close quarters ), that is still a death camp.

Clearly, these people were sent to die. Nobody could have been THAT oblivious to the unlivable conditions, and yet insisted on shipping more people in- in hopes things would work themselves out for the better.

This is just another way to look at it if somebody doesn't care for the blatant murder version.

Just my opinion looking at both sides.

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Here's a very rough draft of what happened. Hitler came to power. He opposed the jews for what he considered was the continued bankrupting and corruption of his country by jewish banks and jewish owned interest. He wanted the jews out of germany. He developed labor camps to isolate the jews and force them to work off the debt that he considered they were responsible for. Did people die in the camps? Yes. Mainly from typhus, which these so called "gas chambers" and zyklon B were use to decontaminate. Were the conditions in the camp bad? Yes, mainly from allied bombing of routes of transportation into and out of the camps, thus
making any type of deliveries much more difficult.

Ask the question....why waste the time to feed, clothe, shelter, and track people who you want to ultimately exterminate? It makes no sense.

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ORIGINAL: MissAsylum

The please, explain what took place.

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the holocaust ie holohoax never happened. there is a huge amount of historical evidence to prove it was a fraud. it's amazing how people just accept this as fact.