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RE: What is the difference? - 1/27/2013 7:05:54 AM   
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I couldn't find the ingredients on sunnyd.com, but articles from 2010 and 2011 show that SunnyD does contain HFCS. Even if all the HFCS has been replaced with corn syrup, it still contains other stuff I avoid, like artificial color, and Food Starch-Modified, which is a euphemism for MSG.

"If it's made FROM a plant, eat it; if it's made IN a plant, don't:"

Ingredients: Water, High Fructose, Corn Syrup and 2% or Less of Each of the Following: Concentrated Juices (Orange, Tangerine, Apple, Lime, Grapefruit). Citric Acid, Ascorbic Acid (Vitamin C), Beta-Carotene, Thiamin Hydrochloride (Vitamin B1), Natural Flavors, Food Starch-Modified, Canola Oil, Cellulose Gum, Xanthan Gum, Sodium Hexametaphosphate, Sodium Benzoate To Protect Flavor, Yellow #5, Yellow #6

Note: I see SunnyD has been reformulated in the UK, and since you are in the US, I'm not citing any of UK websites.




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RE: What is the difference? - 1/27/2013 7:07:39 AM   
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quote:

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Here's a helpful tip:

If a food or drink needs a commercial, don't buy it.


Orange juice has commercials. So does chicken, beef, various vegetables. Hell even the various bottled waters have commercials

I think that was EsotericLady's point. That your "tip" falls short of being accurate.



Perhaps you skipped over where I stated:

quote:


Almost all food and drink products that have a commercial are for processed foods.

The common denominator of processed foods is high fructose corn syrup.


I said "...almost all..." not "all".

There is a difference. Attention to detail.

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RE: What is the difference? - 1/27/2013 7:23:29 AM   
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Thank you, kalikshama!

In the past 7 or so years, I have cut out high fructose corn syrup, maltodextrin, almost all processed foods, and eat mostly vegetables. I still enjoy red meat, but usually avoid pork. I will never give up seafood--except cut out tilapia (such a disgusting fish). I have a big cup of coffee in the morning, almond milk if I have cereal, drink water throughout the day, and I admit to a Dr. Pepper every so often.

I've kept off 80 pounds by completely changing my eating habits.

Yes, my grocery bill is a little higher than what it used to be, but I haven't been sick or had any health problems in three years. I haven't needed to visit a doctor except for the annual check up.

ETA: I've also cut out most dairy and anything with enriched wheat flour.

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RE: What is the difference? - 1/27/2013 7:24:53 AM   
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Here's a good preview of "The Omnivore's Dilemma." Many of Michael Pollan's books, including this one, are available in my library system.

We're Living on Corn!

...Cows have not evolved to feed on corn. Nor are they suited to living in crowded conditions while standing up to their ankles in feces. In the feedlot, however, they have little choice. The corn diet induces indigestion, which must be treated with repeated courses of antibiotics, and the cows seem to be miserable or vacant a lot of the time. They are subjected to this regime because it makes them grow fast, and in times past they were even fed the offal from other slaughtered cows, which is how mad cow disease came into the food supply.

Pollan describes a Karmic cycle in which the poor health of the feedlotted cows is visited on their consumers. Because they are not allowed to eat grass, their meat is higher in dangerous fats and lower in good ones than that of cows leading a more natural life. And the abattoirs where they are slaughtered need to be absolutely fastidious about hygiene, because bacteria on their skins thrive in the crowded, fecal conditions, and could easily contaminate their meat. Despite all of this, grain-fed beef has a cachet in America, where it is preferred by many for its alleged tenderness. I’m often offered it with pride, even by up-market restaurants that don’t seem interested in serving meat from cows that have lived their life on the range. Having read Pollan’s book, I’m now ordering buffalo.

Corn of course is used for many purposes apart from feeding factory-farmed chickens, cattle, and pigs. High-fructose corn syrup, for example, has replaced sugar in many processed food and beverages, and is now, according to Pollan, “the most valuable food product refined from corn, accounting for 530 million bushels every year.” But in trying to track down how such products are made, Pollan hits a dead end. The big corn millers–Cargill and Archer Daniels Midland–won’t let him into their factories, so he wasn’t allowed to see how the corn products Americans consume are the result of complicated chemical processing.

Reading Pollan’s book, it’s hard to avoid the conclusion that the food industry has confined many Americans to their own urban feedlots, in which they have grown obese, ill, and uncurious about the source or nutritional quality of their food. In this system, human appetites are simply another bottleneck to be overcome in the search for greater sales. Hence the “supersizing” now so prevalent at fast-food outlets. A segment of the American population, however, is making a break for food freedom. They can often be found haunting the organic section of the supermarket, and in his quest to understand how their food is produced, Pollan travels to the great California farms where most organic produce is grown.

Read more: http://michaelpollan.com/reviews/were-living-on-corn/

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RE: What is the difference? - 1/27/2013 7:28:08 AM   
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Organic and farm-raised meat tastes so much better than factory raised; even the texture is different.

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RE: What is the difference? - 1/27/2013 7:48:26 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: SultryItalian

I've kept off 80 pounds by completely changing my eating habits.

Yes, my grocery bill is a little higher than what it used to be, but I haven't been sick or had any health problems in three years. I haven't needed to visit a doctor except for the annual check up.

ETA: I've also cut out most dairy and anything with enriched wheat flour.



In May I cut out all processed foods and switched to organic or farm raised meat. Which until this week was only eaten sparingly.

I went from 257 to 157 and although I do work out daily.
Those work outs until recently where fairly easy and short.
So I KNOW the weight loss was due to removing the processed foods, dairy, and hormonal meat from my diet.

My grocery bill was actually LESS unless it was one of those times I was buying venison or something of that nature.

I totally agree organic and farm raised meat tastes totally different so does wild fish vs farmed fish.


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RE: What is the difference? - 1/27/2013 8:04:11 AM   
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Yes, my grocery bill is a little higher than what it used to be, but I haven't been sick or had any health problems in three years. I haven't needed to visit a doctor except for the annual check up.


I pay more for meat, which I minimize by eating mostly chicken, which I buy when it's on sale and freeze what I can't eat immediately. I'm no longer paying more for dairy now that I am close to Vermont, home of Cabot, which is close enough to organic for me. For produce, I either buy organic for the "dirty dozen" most pesticided crops or get it at a family farm near me, which does not go heavy on the pesticides as evidenced by the occasional worm I find on the kale.

The few farmer's MARKETS I've been to have been overpriced, but I adore farm STANDS, where produce was often picked that morning. Supermarket kale is often tough as nails; farm stand kale is tender enough for salad. Local Harvest maintains a "living" public nationwide directory of small farms, farmers markets, and other local food sources.

I save a lot of money by not buying processed food. I don't drink soda. Mom and I split 25# bags of rice or quinoa that our local health food store orders for us. Whole Foods is also willing to do this. I get other items from the bulk section at Whole Foods. I make cereal from steel cut oats, rolled oats, quinoa, or millet.

I could go on, but I'm hungry now :)

BTW, eating according to my food values costs about $200 per month.

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RE: What is the difference? - 1/27/2013 8:05:15 AM   
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When one "pays attention to detail," they will find your "...almost all" not "all" statement was posted well AFTER your original "If a food or drink needs a commercial, don't buy it" statement...attention to detail being what it is and all that.

Ooops! : )

quote:

ORIGINAL: SultryItalian

Here's a helpful tip:

If a food or drink needs a commercial, don't buy it.


Orange juice has commercials. So does chicken, beef, various vegetables. Hell even the various bottled waters have commercials

I think that was EsotericLady's point. That your "tip" falls short of being accurate.


Perhaps you skipped over where I stated:

quote:


Almost all food and drink products that have a commercial are for processed foods.

The common denominator of processed foods is high fructose corn syrup.


I said "...almost all..." not "all".

There is a difference. Attention to detail.


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RE: What is the difference? - 1/27/2013 8:06:32 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: SultryItalian

Here's a helpful tip:

If a food or drink needs a commercial, don't buy it.


I'm gonna do the same thing with cars, houses, magazines and computers.

I'll be over >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> living in a cardboard box.

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RE: What is the difference? - 1/27/2013 8:09:09 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: kalikshama

Mom and I split 25# bags of rice or quinoa that our local health food store orders for us. Whole Foods is also willing to do this. I get other items from the bulk section at Whole Foods. I make cereal from steel cut oats, rolled oats, quinoa, or millet.

I could go on, but I'm hungry now :)

BTW, eating according to my food values costs about $200 per month.


Lol My primary partner and I do this as well.
Buy certain things in bulk and split the cost and item.
Which in the end saves us both money.

Like you unless I buy venison (which is rare due to the cost), I eat organic chicken.
Which isn't much more expensive than the regular chicken.

My grocery bill for 2 people is about $60-$80 per week.

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RE: What is the difference? - 1/27/2013 8:11:35 AM   
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quote:

I totally agree organic and farm raised meat tastes totally different so does wild fish vs farmed fish.


I like farmed salmon better than wild but perhaps there's a particular type of wild I should be looking for?

I don't buy fresh salmon these days due to the high cost of wild and wanting to avoid feedlot/farmed salmon. I do eat canned wild salmon as a substitute for canned tuna fish.

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RE: What is the difference? - 1/27/2013 8:13:46 AM   
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Don't forget your chimps! : )

quote:

ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie


quote:

ORIGINAL: SultryItalian

Here's a helpful tip:

If a food or drink needs a commercial, don't buy it.


I'm gonna do the same thing with cars, houses, magazines and computers.

I'll be over >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> living in a cardboard box.


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RE: What is the difference? - 1/27/2013 8:16:29 AM   
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I know I posted them separately. I was giving you benefit of the doubt. There is no need to get snarky about it.

I posted before I had coffee. Shit. You act like I kicked your cat or something.
quote:


quote:

ORIGINAL: EsotericLady

When one "pays attention to detail," they will find your "...almost all" not "all" statement was posted well AFTER your original "If a food or drink needs a commercial, don't buy it" statement...attention to detail being what it is and all that.

Ooops! : )

quote:

ORIGINAL: SultryItalian

Here's a helpful tip:

If a food or drink needs a commercial, don't buy it.


Orange juice has commercials. So does chicken, beef, various vegetables. Hell even the various bottled waters have commercials

I think that was EsotericLady's point. That your "tip" falls short of being accurate.


Perhaps you skipped over where I stated:

quote:


Almost all food and drink products that have a commercial are for processed foods.

The common denominator of processed foods is high fructose corn syrup.


I said "...almost all..." not "all".

There is a difference. Attention to detail.





ETA: I put the quotes back for you.

< Message edited by SultryItalian -- 1/27/2013 8:17:18 AM >

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RE: What is the difference? - 1/27/2013 8:18:18 AM   
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It would be great if you could afford to eat "all things organic," but in the stores around here it's very expensive.
And farmer's market prices are sometimes through the roof!!!

If you know where to go in the country though, you can pick up things like eggs, chickens, some fruits in season (of course), and LOTS of sweet corn!


quote:

ORIGINAL: TheLilSquaw

quote:

ORIGINAL: kalikshama

Mom and I split 25# bags of rice or quinoa that our local health food store orders for us. Whole Foods is also willing to do this. I get other items from the bulk section at Whole Foods. I make cereal from steel cut oats, rolled oats, quinoa, or millet.

I could go on, but I'm hungry now :)

BTW, eating according to my food values costs about $200 per month.


Lol My primary partner and I do this as well.
Buy certain things in bulk and split the cost and item.
Which in the end saves us both money.

Like you unless I buy venison (which is rare due to the cost), I eat organic chicken.
Which isn't much more expensive than the regular chicken.

My grocery bill for 2 people is about $60-$80 per week.


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RE: What is the difference? - 1/27/2013 8:18:36 AM   
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Again, I was referring to food and drinks.

Any way, I prefer not to watch television and haven't in several years.
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ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie


quote:

ORIGINAL: SultryItalian

Here's a helpful tip:

If a food or drink needs a commercial, don't buy it.


I'm gonna do the same thing with cars, houses, magazines and computers.

I'll be over >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> living in a cardboard box.


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RE: What is the difference? - 1/27/2013 8:22:44 AM   
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I would have made no comment whatsoever, if you hadn't made the "snarky" (what a stupid word) retort that you did to Lafayette Lady's post!

Trust me. If you would have kicked my cat? You wouldn't be capable of posting now! LMAO
Now, about that pot of coffee you need....?

quote:

ORIGINAL: SultryItalian

I know I posted them separately. I was giving you benefit of the doubt. There is no need to get snarky about it.

I posted before I had coffee. Shit. You act like I kicked your cat or something.
quote:


quote:

ORIGINAL: EsotericLady

When one "pays attention to detail," they will find your "...almost all" not "all" statement was posted well AFTER your original "If a food or drink needs a commercial, don't buy it" statement...attention to detail being what it is and all that.

Ooops! : )

quote:

ORIGINAL: SultryItalian

Here's a helpful tip:

If a food or drink needs a commercial, don't buy it.


Orange juice has commercials. So does chicken, beef, various vegetables. Hell even the various bottled waters have commercials

I think that was EsotericLady's point. That your "tip" falls short of being accurate.


Perhaps you skipped over where I stated:

quote:


Almost all food and drink products that have a commercial are for processed foods.

The common denominator of processed foods is high fructose corn syrup.


I said "...almost all..." not "all".

There is a difference. Attention to detail.





ETA: I put the quotes back for you.


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RE: What is the difference? - 1/27/2013 8:24:22 AM   
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LMAO If you haven't wanted television in years...how do you even know what commercials are on it?

(too funny)

quote:

ORIGINAL: SultryItalian

Again, I was referring to food and drinks.

Any way, I prefer not to watch television and haven't in several years.
quote:

ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie


quote:

ORIGINAL: SultryItalian

Here's a helpful tip:

If a food or drink needs a commercial, don't buy it.


I'm gonna do the same thing with cars, houses, magazines and computers.

I'll be over >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> living in a cardboard box.




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RE: What is the difference? - 1/27/2013 8:28:07 AM   
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Hahahaha. I love watching people argue over nothing.
Anywho. There really shouldn't be a debate at all over which is healthier for you.

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RE: What is the difference? - 1/27/2013 8:28:25 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: EsotericLady

It would be great if you could afford to eat "all things organic," but in the stores around here it's very expensive.
And farmer's market prices are sometimes through the roof!!!

If you know where to go in the country though, you can pick up things like eggs, chickens, some fruits in season (of course), and LOTS of sweet corn!




In MY experience the price for organic isn't much different from the regular price on MOST things. Like anything if you buy out of season of course it's going to be expensive.

Wegmans, carries a large variety of organic frozen and canned fruits and veggies.

And the farm local to me that is open year round, is a lot cheaper for certain things than the grocery store. Like anything you need to shop around but there are healthy and inexpensive options out there for those that want to eat organic.

When I started eating organic and meats such as venison and bison.
I quickly realized that the grocery store a block away didn't care much of anything I could or wanted to buy. Hell they only carried cage free eggs in a 6 pack. Lol

So I had to start shopping else where.

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RE: What is the difference? - 1/27/2013 8:28:35 AM   
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Televisions are everywhere.

For being "esoteric", you sure are negative.

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