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RE: What is the difference? - 1/27/2013 8:31:12 AM   
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Ugh. I can't believe I allowed myself to be dragged into an online argument. I have a parade to go to!

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RE: What is the difference? - 1/27/2013 8:40:49 AM   
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Status: offline 		I don't know why not since you so obviously got snarky when someone pointed out the fallacy of your statement. You made a false all encompassing statement, and got snarky and tried to back up when called on.

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RE: What is the difference? - 1/27/2013 8:42:37 AM   
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It would be great if you could afford to eat "all things organic," but in the stores around here it's very expensive.
And farmer's market prices are sometimes through the roof!!!


You don't need to eat "all things organic" - did you see my "dirty dozen" link?

http://www.ewg.org/foodnews/summary/

The Shopper's Guide to Pesticides in Produce™ will help you determine which fruits and vegetables have the most pesticide residues and are the most important to buy organic. You can lower your pesticide intake substantially by avoiding the 12 most contaminated fruits and vegetables and eating the least contaminated produce.

This year we have expanded the Dirty Dozen™ with a Plus category to highlight two crops -- green beans and leafy greens, meaning, kale and collard greens - that did not meet traditional Dirty Dozen ™criteria but were commonly contaminated with highly toxic organophosphate insecticides. These insecticides are toxic to the nervous system and have been largely removed from agriculture over the past decade. But they are not banned and still show up on some food crops.

Commodity crop corn used for animal feed and biofuels is almost all produced with genetically modified (GMO) seeds, as is some sweet corn sold for human consumption. Since GMO sweet corn is not labeled as such in US stores, EWG advises those who have concerns about GMOs to buy organic sweet corn.

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RE: What is the difference? - 1/27/2013 8:44:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		Not really....pointing out that most commercials that are food related are for processed foods is not a false statement.
Pointing out that processed foods are unhealthy for you is not a false statement.
EsotericLady began to get defensive and started splitting hairs.

Like I said before...it's kinda ridiculous to even be debating which is healthier.

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RE: What is the difference? - 1/27/2013 8:46:20 AM   
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LMAO If you haven't wanted television in years...how do you even know what commercials are on it?

(too funny)

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ORIGINAL: SultryItalian

Again, I was referring to food and drinks.

Any way, I prefer not to watch television and haven't in several years.
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ORIGINAL: SultryItalian

Here's a helpful tip:

If a food or drink needs a commercial, don't buy it.


I'm gonna do the same thing with cars, houses, magazines and computers.

I'll be over >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> living in a cardboard box.






Flip cards.....fanned really fast.

The sound sucks, but the images are pretty much the same (and you can do it by candlelight).

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RE: What is the difference? - 1/27/2013 8:48:44 AM   
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Here's a helpful tip:

If a food or drink needs a commercial, don't buy it.


^^^ truth.

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RE: What is the difference? - 1/27/2013 8:48:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		Please explain to me how the words "...almost all..." are "all encompassing". Perhaps we have different definitions of "almost".

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ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady

I don't know why not since you so obviously got snarky when someone pointed out the fallacy of your statement. You made a false all encompassing statement, and got snarky and tried to back up when called on.


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RE: What is the difference? - 1/27/2013 8:50:30 AM   
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It would be great if you could afford to eat "all things organic," but in the stores around here it's very expensive.
And farmer's market prices are sometimes through the roof!!!

If you know where to go in the country though, you can pick up things like eggs, chickens, some fruits in season (of course), and LOTS of sweet corn!


I must admit, that is one of the things I really missed when I lived in the US.

Farmers markets are very few and far between around our neck of the woods and it would cost more in fuel to get to one than we would save by buying locally in the supermarket.

One thing I will say though, unlike the US, many of our supermarkets do source a lot of local products.
Our local ASDA and Tesco's have a lot of fruit and veg that is grown less than 30 miles from the store and I certainly notice the difference!

Organic stuff is just out of the question - it is at least 3x the price of standard farm produce and our budget doesn't stretch that far. And in recent years, due to the popularity of organic stuff, our farmers are using much less in the way of fertilisers and pesticides. We can thank good old jug-ears Charlie (prince Charles) for bringing the organic stuff into the limelight.
A good example of price difference: A single 'tree' of broccoli in our supermarket... Organic is about £2 ($3.20), standard produce (local) is usually 50p (80 cents).

As for kalik's post about cows being fed on corn, I don't think that's the case over here in the UK.
Most of our cattle is grass-grazed and even in the winter when natural grass is scarce the cattle feed is basically grass and hay in pelleted form - not corn.

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RE: What is the difference? - 1/27/2013 8:51:14 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Aileen1968

Not really....pointing out that most commercials that are food related are for processed foods is not a false statement.
Pointing out that processed foods are unhealthy for you is not a false statement.
EsotericLady began to get defensive and started splitting hairs.

Like I said before...it's kinda ridiculous to even be debating which is healthier.


The problem, Aileen is that she didn't say "most commercials," and when that was commented on, she got snarky. No one is defending processed food and EL didn't get defensive. I am the one who made the comment about the commercials that had absolutely nothing to do with processed foods, and then SI back peddled to say she said, "most." EL merely pointed that out.

Meanwhile, it is nice to see you back posting. The new avatar pic is great, too.

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RE: What is the difference? - 1/27/2013 8:55:04 AM   
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ORIGINAL: SultryItalian

Please explain to me how the words "...almost all..." are "all encompassing". Perhaps we have different definitions of "almost".

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ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady

I don't know why not since you so obviously got snarky when someone pointed out the fallacy of your statement. You made a false all encompassing statement, and got snarky and tried to back up when called on.




Ok, one last time, and then I'm done with this foolishness.

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ORIGINAL: SultryItalian

Here's a helpful tip:

If a food or drink needs a commercial, don't buy it.



Where exactly does this say "most" or "almost all?" I posted specifically to the above. I'm not interested in where you posted after that to adjust your original statement. The above implies "all." If you can't figure that out, or can't deal with it, that is your issue, not mine.

Geez, for someone who "can't believe" they were drawn into an internet argument, you sure have a problem dropping it. Seriously, get over yourself and move on.

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RE: What is the difference? - 1/27/2013 8:55:20 AM   
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I don't know why not since you so obviously got snarky when someone pointed out the fallacy of your statement. You made a false all encompassing statement, and got snarky and tried to back up when called on.


These statements are neither all encompassing nor false:

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Here's a helpful tip:

If a food or drink needs a commercial, don't buy it.


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Almost all food and drink products that have a commercial are for processed foods.

The common denominator of processed foods is high fructose corn syrup.


10 Things the Food Industry Doesn't Want You to Know

...1. Junk food makers spend billions advertising unhealthy foods to kids. According to the Federal Trade Commission, food makers spend some $1.6 billion annually to reach children through the traditional media as well the Internet, in-store advertising, and sweepstakes. An article published in 2006 in the Journal of Public Health Policy puts the number as high as $10 billion annually. The bulk of these ads are for unhealthy products high in calories, sugar, fat, and sodium. Promotions often use cartoon characters or free giveaways to entice kids into the junk food fold. On TV alone, the average child sees about 5,500 food commercials a year (or about 15 per day) that advertise high-sugar breakfast cereals, fast food, soft drinks, candy, and snacks, according to the Yale Rudd Center for Food Policy and Obesity. Compare that to the fewer than 100 TV ads per year kids see for healthy foods like fruits, veggies, and bottled water.


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RE: What is the difference? - 1/27/2013 8:59:04 AM   
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ORIGINAL: SultryItalian

Thank you, kalikshama!

In the past 7 or so years, I have cut out high fructose corn syrup, maltodextrin, almost all processed foods, and eat mostly vegetables. I still enjoy red meat, but usually avoid pork. I will never give up seafood--except cut out tilapia (such a disgusting fish). I have a big cup of coffee in the morning, almond milk if I have cereal, drink water throughout the day, and I admit to a Dr. Pepper every so often.

I've kept off 80 pounds by completely changing my eating habits.

Yes, my grocery bill is a little higher than what it used to be, but I haven't been sick or had any health problems in three years. I haven't needed to visit a doctor except for the annual check up.

ETA: I've also cut out most dairy and anything with enriched wheat flour.


Good job.

Also a tip of the hat to kalikshama, LilSquaw, and AileenMcHotsy....

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RE: What is the difference? - 1/27/2013 9:05:53 AM   
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Status: offline 		Let's be clear kali...NOTHING "needs" a commercial, yet nearly every product from water and milk, to meats, cheese, nuts, etc. have commercials. It isn't simply Fruit Loops that get a commercial, from Mini Wheats and Special K as well. Sunny D has commercial, so does Tropicana and "Simply" juices (Orange, Lemonade, Limeade, etc.).

Products have commercials to compete against each other and to convince the consumer that their product is better. Certainly, advertisers try to appeal their products to children wanting them to do the annoying, "mommy, I want..." thing when in the store. Same thing happens with toys for children, and I doubt anyone is going to start saying that children shouldn't have toys.

Just like you will see more Beer ads during the superbowl than during say, "Dallas," advertisers buy space to match their target audience. I'm not saying it is right, just or that they are only advertising the most healthy things.

As you can see in my previous post, I commented on SI first post. I'm not interested in her backtracking after. I will say that if someone doesn't watch television, they really don't know what types of commercials exist, but that is neither here nor there.

I stand by my comment.

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RE: What is the difference? - 1/27/2013 9:09:58 AM   
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Status: offline 		Now I was a big fan of Crystal light, buy now im trying to not drink it, and I reccomend she dont either.


Y? Because CL has a lot of fake stuff in it, and dyes n stuff and one of them is red forty, which is supposed to be bad for ppl.





Shar get stuff like tropicana, or 100 percent juice no sugar added, it has no hfcs, nor cs.
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It's pretty much the same -- high calorie sugar in liquid form. I'd do flavored sparkling water, Crystal Light packets, honey, or raw cane sugar to sweeten stuff. All of those have fewer calories, and are much better for you. Hell, I even have powdered Squirt, for when I want something soda-like without the calories or the carbonation.


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RE: What is the difference? - 1/27/2013 9:12:49 AM   
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Hahahaha. I love watching people argue over nothing.
Anywho. There really shouldn't be a debate at all over which is healthier for you.


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RE: What is the difference? - 1/27/2013 9:13:30 AM   
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Let's be clear kali...NOTHING "needs" a commercial, yet nearly every product from water and milk, to meats, cheese, nuts, etc. have commercials. It isn't simply Fruit Loops that get a commercial, from Mini Wheats and Special K as well. Sunny D has commercial, so does Tropicana and "Simply" juices (Orange, Lemonade, Limeade, etc.).

Products have commercials to compete against each other and to convince the consumer that their product is better. Certainly, advertisers try to appeal their products to children wanting them to do the annoying, "mommy, I want..." thing when in the store. Same thing happens with toys for children, and I doubt anyone is going to start saying that children shouldn't have toys.

Just like you will see more Beer ads during the superbowl than during say, "Dallas," advertisers buy space to match their target audience. I'm not saying it is right, just or that they are only advertising the most healthy things.

As you can see in my previous post, I commented on SI first post. I'm not interested in her backtracking after. I will say that if someone doesn't watch television, they really don't know what types of commercials exist, but that is neither here nor there.

I stand by my comment.


Well, you know what they say about the word "assume"!

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RE: What is the difference? - 1/27/2013 9:17:50 AM   
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Status: offline 		I'm glad your organic prices are in keeping with non-organic items! Perhaps it has to do with the differences in our areas of the country? (shrugs) Don't know...

And congrats on the weight loss! That's a marvelous personal milestone! : )

Happy eating! : )



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ORIGINAL: EsotericLady

It would be great if you could afford to eat "all things organic," but in the stores around here it's very expensive.
And farmer's market prices are sometimes through the roof!!!

If you know where to go in the country though, you can pick up things like eggs, chickens, some fruits in season (of course), and LOTS of sweet corn!




In MY experience the price for organic isn't much different from the regular price on MOST things. Like anything if you buy out of season of course it's going to be expensive.

Wegmans, carries a large variety of organic frozen and canned fruits and veggies.

And the farm local to me that is open year round, is a lot cheaper for certain things than the grocery store. Like anything you need to shop around but there are healthy and inexpensive options out there for those that want to eat organic.

When I started eating organic and meats such as venison and bison.
I quickly realized that the grocery store a block away didn't care much of anything I could or wanted to buy. Hell they only carried cage free eggs in a 6 pack. Lol

So I had to start shopping else where.


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RE: What is the difference? - 1/27/2013 9:18:00 AM   
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AileenMcHotsy....


Hahaha. Thanks. Although lately, AileenMcLukewarmsky is more accurate.
Thanks to LL for the compliment also.

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RE: What is the difference? - 1/27/2013 9:24:10 AM   
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Status: offline 		After reading many of Michael Pollan's books and articles, I may have a different understanding of "needs a commercial" than you do. It's not about needing the commercial just to sell the product, but needing it to try to convince consumers that an unhealthy product is actually healthy.

There are also product/brand defense commercials - BP needed commercials after the oil spill in the Gulf.

Those opposed to requiring labels for genetically modified foods in California needed a $45 million campaign to defeat Proposition 37, whose supporters were outspent 5:1.

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RE: What is the difference? - 1/27/2013 9:24:25 AM   
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Also a tip of the hat to kalikshama, LilSquaw, and AileenMcHotsy....



Thanks Level.

Along with the huge weight loss I was able to get rid of 5 medications that I was on.
It's crazy how much changing my eating habits have changed my life.

To ME that is an even bigger accomplishment than the weight loss since those medications all had some pretty harsh side affects.


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