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RE: What is the difference? - 1/27/2013 11:03:23 AM   
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- Fuck Pollan. I don't want to spend 25% of my waking life shopping for food and then preparing it. I have better things to do with my time. Like play PS3 and beat off.


I thought this might come up so timed how long it took me to make breakfast, which was an egg, red pepper, garlic, onion, jalapeno, 1/2 C leftover potato and as you can see from the pic, a high percentage of swiss chard.

20 minutes.




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RE: What is the difference? - 1/27/2013 11:09:58 AM   
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- Fuck Pollan. I don't want to spend 25% of my waking life shopping for food and then preparing it. I have better things to do with my time. Like play PS3 and beat off.




That's why you find yourself a nice service sub to do the shopping and prepping for you. Frees up that valuable PS3 time. Have her do the beating off, as well, after dinner is served and you can still keep your hands free for the controllers.

See? It is possible to eat healthy and still maintain your busy lifestyle.

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RE: What is the difference? - 1/27/2013 11:11:08 AM   
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I thought this might come up so timed how long it took me to make breakfast, which was an egg, red pepper, garlic, onion, jalapeno, 1/2 C leftover potato and as you can see from the pic, a high percentage of swiss chard.

20 minutes.






My meals take about 15-30 minutes prepare.
Sometimes less because I do prepare meals in advance, freeze, and reheat.
I go to the store 1x a week and those trips normally take me about 30 minutes.
Which isn't a huge amount of time.

ETA: kalikshama That looks yummy btw.


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RE: What is the difference? - 1/27/2013 11:13:58 AM   
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Maybe take it out of the freezer, stick it in a box, then microwave it, pretend you just got it at the store.

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RE: What is the difference? - 1/27/2013 11:17:13 AM   
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Maybe take it out of the freezer, stick it in a box, then microwave it, pretend you jydt hit it at the store.


I do this a lot.
I pre-cook whole wheat pancakes in different variations, burritos, stiry fry mixes with various veggies (veggies obviously uncooked) but with cooked chicken.

I also cook a large pot of beans once a week.

It saves me time plus makes it easier for my son to eat healthy on his own.

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RE: What is the difference? - 1/27/2013 11:19:57 AM   
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- Fuck Pollan. I don't want to spend 25% of my waking life shopping for food and then preparing it. I have better things to do with my time. Like play PS3 and beat off.



That's why you find yourself a nice service sub to do the shopping and prepping for you. Frees up that valuable PS3 time. Have her do the beating off, as well, after dinner is served and you can still keep your hands free for the controllers.

See? It is possible to eat healthy and still maintain your busy lifestyle.


I shopped and cooked for a Dom as part of a service-only relationship.

I shopped, cooked and cleaned for M while we were a couple.

After observing my neighbor's 6 year old's melt downs a few hours after eating donuts, I've taken over the cooking when he has visitation.

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RE: What is the difference? - 1/27/2013 11:22:33 AM   
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I, too, try to keep processed foods out of my diet. I did it for energy a couple years ago and have never felt better. You do have to get creative, and often times takes more time for preparation, but how it makes me feel is worth the effort. Now, when I do try to eat fast food or boxed items, I don't enjoy the taste at all. All of the added health benefits are an added bonus. My blood pressure and cholesterol levels were always so high, but now they're normal and I swear I get sick a lot less.

I don't do organic, unless the produce just look better at the time.

I agree with the commercial point. If it needs a commercial, it probably isn't good for you. Some people are even saying bottled water can be bad, but that's one luxury I can't live without.

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RE: What is the difference? - 1/27/2013 11:31:07 AM   
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But city water is horrible.



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RE: What is the difference? - 1/27/2013 11:35:10 AM   
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Ill take well water over bottle water any day.
But city water is horrible.




Depends on the well water. When I was married, our well water was extremely high in radon. We spent thousands of dollars in radon mitigation in our home for the air and the water.

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RE: What is the difference? - 1/27/2013 11:51:33 AM   
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Ill take well water over bottle water any day.
But city water is horrible.




Depends on the well water. When I was married, our well water was extremely high in radon. We spent thousands of dollars in radon mitigation in our home for the air and the water.


Out of all of the water I've had, Detroit city water was the best.
I've never liked the taste of well water of any that I've had. But, if the iron levels are high enough, adds really pretty copper-colored highlights in my hair.

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RE: What is the difference? - 1/27/2013 12:18:04 PM   
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Why do I support eating organic food?

Organic food is more nutritious.
Organic food is chemical free and hormone free.
Organic farms are environmentally better for the the planet.
And to ME organic food simply tastes better.

OCA's Organic Resource Center

Mayo Clinic - Nutrition and healthy eating

I don't agree with most of that (but I can't find the link I wanted!)
The one I can find at the mo is this one -
http://www.food.gov.uk/multimedia/pdfs/organicreviewappendices.pdf

To quote something from the text of the document: "No evidence of a difference in content of nutrients and other substances between organically and conventionally produced crops and livestock products was detected for the majority of nutrients assessed in this review suggesting that organically and conventionally produced crops and livestock products are broadly comparable in their nutrient content."


#1: Organic food is more nutritious.
Nope. Some scientist at Cambridge University proved that there were no more vitamins or minerals than those grown on a standard production farm.

#2: Organic food is chemical free and hormone free.
Not always the case. Many 'organic' farms use 'organic' fertilizers and other 'natural' products that can often contain more nasties than the refined versions sold as 'chemical fertilizers'. The natural cow shit, pig shit and chicken shit used as a natural fertilizer contains quite a lot more nasty crap in them than many 'natural but processed' fertilisers. Maybe less pure chemicals like Nitrite and Nitrate (debatable) but anyone that keeps fish will know that natural shit is absolutely chock-full of those chemicals as well as ammonia - which is filtered out from the other Nitrite/Nitrate purer processed versions. How much of the purer forms the farmer actually uses isn't consistent and that is where the problem sometimes lies (using too much). Also, natural shit used on organic farms is full of the hormones of the animal it came from - which is also filtered out of the purified version. Incidentally, we have little (if any) GM products in our food chain in the UK... Maybe not so regulated in the US?

#3: Organic farms are environmentally better for the the planet.
As above - that's not always the case either. I would rather the farmer used a purified fertilizer that doesn't stink everything around it for miles than the stomach-churning chicken or pig shit that is used on most organic farms any day.

#4: And to ME organic food simply tastes better.
Well I have tried both - organic and standard farm produce and to be honest, I can't taste anything different in a blind-fold taste test except the very bitter taste in my wallet for the price of organic stuff. Perhaps your brain has been duped into thinking it tastes better, so to you it really does? Since switching my diet to using natural products 12 years ago, I can't honestly taste anything different!


So I'm calling you on that one

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RE: What is the difference? - 1/27/2013 12:23:31 PM   
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Well I have tried both - organic and standard farm produce and to be honest, I can't taste anything different in a blind-fold taste test except the very bitter taste in my wallet for the price of organic stuff. Perhaps your brain has been duped into thinking it tastes better, so to you it really does? Since switching my diet to using natural products 12 years ago, I can't honestly taste anything different!


So I'm calling you on that one




To ME it does taste different.
Just as I taste a difference between wild caught fish and farmed fish.

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RE: What is the difference? - 1/27/2013 12:41:49 PM   
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Well I have tried both - organic and standard farm produce and to be honest, I can't taste anything different in a blind-fold taste test except the very bitter taste in my wallet for the price of organic stuff. Perhaps your brain has been duped into thinking it tastes better, so to you it really does? Since switching my diet to using natural products 12 years ago, I can't honestly taste anything different!


So I'm calling you on that one




To ME it does taste different.
Just as I taste a difference between wild caught fish and farmed fish.


Well I can honestly say that I've tried using a blind tasting and I really can't.
I bet you haven't read the article I linked to - you can't have done because its a big document and you haven't had time to read it all yet.

That's not to say I tried a comparison with imported fruit and veg though because I haven't.
But certainly, I tested the local produce bought from the local supermarket - organic and stadard produce.

Have you actually done that??
Actually blind-tasted a dozen or more different natural products with the organic version?
Perhaps they use more crap in the processed fertilizer in the US than they do over here (like the GM crops saga).

I think quite a lot of it is placebo effect.
And considering that government study shows there's no real difference between the two types of products (both vegetable and animal), I would say it's almost impossible for most people to tell them apart.


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RE: What is the difference? - 1/27/2013 12:57:27 PM   
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Good luck on eliminating it completely. Just about everything on the market has it unless you buy fresh vegetables, fruits, etc....


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RE: What is the difference? - 1/27/2013 1:03:59 PM   
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Have you actually done that??



Yes, I have done blind taste test on various organic and non-organic foods.

I have also done blind taste tests on wild salmon vs farmed salmon.

And yes, "I" prefer the taste of the organic and wild over the non-organic and farmed fish.



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RE: What is the difference? - 1/27/2013 1:04:41 PM   
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I don't know how much of "tastes better" when it comes to produces comes from being fresher vs being organic.

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RE: What is the difference? - 1/27/2013 1:07:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		I've been getting away from eating anything other than whole foods because well....it IS just healthier. I have to say ever since I joined pinterest, I've been getting into that and really getting into cooking more whole foods type stuff. I also don't buy bottled water anymore. I spent one day doing nothing but buying some on the go cups and mugs and now I rarely ever go out without one so I don't have to buy coffee on the go or water. I admit I love coffee shops though so some days I will go to one with my laptop and spend the morning, but even then I've been taking my own mug which is cheaper anyway since most places around here will sell it to you cheaper if you do.

Master and I have been trying to eat healthier this year although this week with my birthday, we have eaten out lol. Hey, we all need a break sometimes.

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RE: What is the difference? - 1/27/2013 1:09:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		As for organic foods, tests have been done that show there really is no difference. Neither is healthier or worse for you. I personally don't really buy organic because I just make sure I clean my stuff when I get it home and I can't tell the difference and I believe the tests that were done.

Plus there's really no such thing as "organic" these days even if you're growing your own. Most of our soil is contaminated in one way or another and so is the fertilizer we use. Most of it has hormones from the cows, mercury from the fish, etc...You just can't get rid of it no matter what you try.

ETA: oh and even if it's being shipped a short distance...through a small town, door to door, etc....it still has contaminates from the fuel exhaust.



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RE: What is the difference? - 1/27/2013 1:55:08 PM   
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In NJ, it is a law that landlords must perform a well test every five years and provide the tenant with the results. A home seller must get a well test to provide to the buyer.

I drink about 6-8 bottles of water a day, and lately, we have not even been using tap water to cook with. I have nothing against tap water, but not here.

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RE: What is the difference? - 1/27/2013 2:15:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		Here in Baltimore the water is something they take very seriously. They send around the results from tests that are done every couple of months and it's been clean with no problems. The only time we seem to have problems is when we get major storms. I've lived in areas with awful water though like Norfolk, VA. You would get all kinds of floaty stuff in your water. Gross.



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