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RE: What is the difference? - 1/27/2013 2:17:55 PM

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Here's a helpful tip:

If a food or drink needs a commercial, don't buy it.

I saw a commercial for water the other day. Does this mean I should stop drinking it?

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RE: What is the difference? - 1/27/2013 2:19:20 PM

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was it for bottled water?

That there would be MY deciding factor. I understand some people who live in areas with bad water would maybe need to buy bottled water, but in general, it's a waste imo.

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RE: What is the difference? - 1/27/2013 2:40:16 PM

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was it for bottled water?

That there would be MY deciding factor. I understand some people who live in areas with bad water would maybe need to buy bottled water, but in general, it's a waste imo.

I agree it's a waste, but hardly bad for your health. They also have been running commercials about California Cows and how we should make milk a part of our family. Also not bad for you unless you are lactose intolerant.

A while back someone made the comment that you should never buy anything from the store that also sells gas. 7-11 sells gas at many of their stores, yet they also sell yogurt with fresh fruit and granola. No preservatives like most of the packaged yogurt you find in stores. This is made at a local deli and only has a shelf life of about 3 days. They also sell fresh salads with romaine lettuce, not the iceburg crap that I like so much. Now granted they also sell a lot of crap, but to say not to buy any of it is generalizing too much. Maybe if people used common sense and read the labels, it wouldn't be a problem.

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RE: What is the difference? - 1/27/2013 3:06:57 PM

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We live in a medieval village with one small shop and a market twice a week. We do have a supermarket five miles away but you won't find any ready meals in it.
I buy my vegetables from the market, my meat from the local farmer, my cheese and milk from the local goat man, eggs from my neighbors free range ducks and hens and I drink tap water which is pumped from the surrounding mountains.
We eat very little meat. A chunk of beef will make four meals and a chicken will make 3 meals. I have to admit though, I spend a lot of time cooking and preparing food.
I can food through the summer months and believe me level, my jam once opened lasts a good three weeks in the fridge and that is with naturally made pectin.
I made my own rose-hip syrup in October and I picked enough wild herbs and mushrooms in the summer that I have a full supply for the winter.
Meal times for us are always taken leisurely with good conversation and a decent wine. I believe food should be celebrated and enjoyed and not just stuffed down because your hungry.
Interestingly here you just don't see big people.... perhaps its all these hills! but actually I think the diet here hasn't changed for many generations. Processed food hasn't really taken off here yet. People are what they eat.

I wouldn't buy organic because of the miles it had often accumulated to reach the shop. Green is much friendlier as its only ever sold locally.

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RE: What is the difference? - 1/27/2013 3:09:15 PM

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RE: What is the difference? - 1/27/2013 4:09:46 PM

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See? It is possible to eat healthy and still maintain your busy lifestyle.

Awesome post! Much applause.

As for the other stuff...30 minutes per meal, thrice daily, plus grocery shopping once per week (no chance doing that under two hours, including travel, where I live), 750 minutes per week. Assuming I have 4 hours per workday free time (time not spent either commuting or at work), and maybe 20 on the weekends (time not spent doing all the other chores), that's 2400 minutes free time, and 750 minutes cooking/shopping: that's 31% of my free time.

One out of every three hours of leisure time, time I earned by working, spent preparing food?

Fuck. That.

I'd rather eat the Oreos and spend half that time exercising, thanks.

Y'know, all these rich, white people in America, find gardening and food so fucking fascinating...they pay for the privilege of picking fucking apples...while every other poor bastard on the planet would like to cease subsistence farming because the drudgery is soul-crushing and the reward is nil.

Shit-- think about it: we have a culture where you pay top dollar so your kid can have a birthday party at a Third World sweatshop simulator.

I have leisure time for a reason. It's not so I can pretend to be an 18th-century peasant.

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RE: What is the difference? - 1/27/2013 4:11:36 PM

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Go to any country where transportation of food from growing area to population center takes more than a day, and where processing is lacking...and look at the massive rates of food poisoning and lack of available food. I can buy a bottle of jam that will last in my refrigerator for 3 months. I can buy a bottle of jam that will last in my refrigerator for 3 months. I would really, really much rather do that than have to buy a jar a week. I am not wealthy.

- I would like variety in my consumption-- I don't want to use an entire jar of jam in a week, hurrying before it spoils, because I want to eat other types of sandwiches that week. Please put preservatives in my jam.

I spent two months at a yoga retreat center in Costa Rica where we didn't have electricity, so no refrigeration, and none of us got food poisoning. That was probably the healthiest I've ever eaten in my life as everything was incredibly fresh and/or unprocessed.

We didn't have jam - we had fresh fruit. Let me tell you, bananas picked from the tree are ambrosia compared to supermarket bananas. And the mangoes, and the pineapple, nom nom nom!

I don't understand?

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RE: What is the difference? - 1/27/2013 5:41:30 PM

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Y'know, all these rich, white people in America, find gardening and food so fucking fascinating...they pay for the privilege of picking fucking apples...while every other poor bastard on the planet would like to cease subsistence farming because the drudgery is soul-crushing and the reward is nil.

Shit-- think about it: we have a culture where you pay top dollar so your kid can have a birthday party at a Third World sweatshop simulator.

I have leisure time for a reason. It's not so I can pretend to be an 18th-century peasant.

I don't think I've know a rich person here in America to grow their own vegetables. Typically it's done by the middle class and lower in an effort to keep their grocery budgets down. While some enjoy it, just as others may find exercising or other activities therapeutic, not all do it for that reason.
And I'm not rich, but enjoy my yearly tradition of picking apples. Yes, I pay a farm money for access to their property and apples. I didn't realize that made me such a horrible person.
And it's not just white people picking apples and gardening.

I find many (not all) rich people to be arrogant and selfish but wouldn't fault them for doing "peasant" work.
I think it's worse if they thought they were above it.

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RE: What is the difference? - 1/27/2013 5:41:52 PM

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I spent two months at a yoga retreat center in Costa Rica where we didn't have electricity, so no refrigeration, and none of us got food poisoning. That was probably the healthiest I've ever eaten in my life as everything was incredibly fresh and/or unprocessed.

We didn't have jam - we had fresh fruit. Let me tell you, bananas picked from the tree are ambrosia compared to supermarket bananas. And the mangoes, and the pineapple, nom nom nom!

That's ducky. You've taken care of a group of elitist, affluent English-speakers who are literally involved in navel-gazing. Great. Now what's your plan for 100,000,000 people in sub-Saharan Africa?

Or, for that matter, St. Louis? Kids there are picking a lot of mangoes, eh?

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RE: What is the difference? - 1/27/2013 5:56:57 PM

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Organic and farm-raised meat tastes so much better than factory raised; even the texture is different.

I agree a 100%.

People can make fun of me all they want. I eat organic, cage free, hormone free, and grass fed as often as I can. Yes, I do spend more on groceries. However, I've started dropping weight, I feel better, and I feel sharper mentally. I try to eat as little processed food as possible. I can taste the difference in the food. The corn diet does taste extremely different and to me changes the texture.

For awhile my husband was making fun of me and we bought separate groceries. When I cooked he ate healthy. When it came to his lunches and breakfast he ate whatever he wanted. At some point he realized what I was saying. I'm not sure if it was the difference in the meals or how he felt, but he understands now.

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RE: What is the difference? - 1/27/2013 6:03:05 PM

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I'm glad your organic prices are in keeping with non-organic items! Perhaps it has to do with the differences in our areas of the country? (shrugs) Don't know...

And congrats on the weight loss! That's a marvelous personal milestone! : )

Happy eating! : )

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It would be great if you could afford to eat "all things organic," but in the stores around here it's very expensive.
And farmer's market prices are sometimes through the roof!!!

If you know where to go in the country though, you can pick up things like eggs, chickens, some fruits in season (of course), and LOTS of sweet corn!

In MY experience the price for organic isn't much different from the regular price on MOST things. Like anything if you buy out of season of course it's going to be expensive.

Wegmans, carries a large variety of organic frozen and canned fruits and veggies.

And the farm local to me that is open year round, is a lot cheaper for certain things than the grocery store. Like anything you need to shop around but there are healthy and inexpensive options out there for those that want to eat organic.

When I started eating organic and meats such as venison and bison.
I quickly realized that the grocery store a block away didn't care much of anything I could or wanted to buy. Hell they only carried cage free eggs in a 6 pack. Lol

So I had to start shopping else where.

It's not really bad in my area either. I've found that Walmart in my area is carrying more grass fed and hormone free meats, as well as more organic items. The ground turkey (harvestland) just recently went up in price, but it's still cheaper than Jennie-O. I don't shop at walmart because I hate them, but my husband drags me from time to time and the other store in area doesn't carry harvestland. I happen to like the brand.

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RE: What is the difference? - 1/27/2013 6:55:18 PM

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was it for bottled water?

That there would be MY deciding factor. I understand some people who live in areas with bad water would maybe need to buy bottled water, but in general, it's a waste imo.

I agree it's a waste, but hardly bad for your health. They also have been running commercials about California Cows and how we should make milk a part of our family. Also not bad for you unless you are lactose intolerant.

The water, maybe not but the plastic it comes in is usually made with BPA's which leaches into just about everything. As for milk, I don't drink it because I'm lactose intolerant but there are many things in milk which are not healthy such as preservatives and homogenization which many say kills anything healthy that was in the milk. I can't say yes or no on this since I don't dairy or try not to as much as possible.

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RE: What is the difference? - 1/27/2013 7:30:17 PM

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With no electricity, how did you check your email?

Once or twice a month, I took a three hour bus ride to an internet cafe in Golfito.

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RE: What is the difference? - 1/27/2013 7:36:20 PM

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I spent two months at a yoga retreat center in Costa Rica where we didn't have electricity, so no refrigeration, and none of us got food poisoning. That was probably the healthiest I've ever eaten in my life as everything was incredibly fresh and/or unprocessed.

We didn't have jam - we had fresh fruit. Let me tell you, bananas picked from the tree are ambrosia compared to supermarket bananas. And the mangoes, and the pineapple, nom nom nom!

That's ducky. You've taken care of a group of elitist, affluent English-speakers who are literally involved in navel-gazing. Great. Now what's your plan for 100,000,000 people in sub-Saharan Africa?

Or, for that matter, St. Louis? Kids there are picking a lot of mangoes, eh?

I was replying to your claim about food poisoning in third world countries with an anecdote about my experience in relatively primitive conditions. I was not proposing a plan for world-wide sustainable agriculture. If I do, you'll recognize it as such.

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RE: What is the difference? - 1/28/2013 7:32:27 AM

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Have you actually done that??

Yes, I have done blind taste test on various organic and non-organic foods.

I have also done blind taste tests on wild salmon vs farmed salmon.

And yes, "I" prefer the taste of the organic and wild over the non-organic and farmed fish.

me too. nothing like organic, fresh, non-processed food. there may not be a nutritional difference, but taste, smells and textures are waaaaayyyyy better to me.

this weekend, i went to a fast food restaurant for shits and giggles and my stomach hates me for it. salad and water for me, please.

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RE: What is the difference? - 1/28/2013 10:24:53 AM

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Sorry but I was AFK most of yesterday after I posted the question. Had to deal with a lump between my shoulder blades, pressing on a nerve. The Norco I took knocked me out and Mom had to massage it out.

I did some reading this morning and picked up some orange juice that did not have any HFCS or corn syrup in it. Sure, it was twice the price I was paying for the Tampico but it is pure. Mom was looking over sweetners this morning and I warned her about aspartame.

I have been label reading like crazy. Our major grocery store is Walmart, so we really don't have any organic sections. We get cheese when we run out, meat on discount, the hamburger has to be 93/7.

I indulge in a diet soda about once a week, during grocery shopping.

I would LOVE to get some bison or other lean meats. I am a protein freak...carbs make me crash. If I want to go to bed early, I fix up a bowl of mashed potatoes with shredded cheese and bacon bits. One time my SIL tried to pick up fake bacon bits and I raised all kinds of hell. Mom had to tell her that I don't do fake. Something I learned when I was living with a chef...fresh is best.

I do eat sweets off and on, especially dark chocolate. I can make a giant bar of special dark chocolate last for a while.

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RE: What is the difference? - 1/28/2013 4:37:32 PM

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My walmart has quite a few organic items. They aren't lumped into a specific section, but in the produce section they sell organic baby spinach, organic garlic, and organic gala apples. In our chicken section they have harvest land organic chicken and ground turkey. Often times if it's close to expiration they will knock down the price.

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RE: What is the difference? - 1/28/2013 4:59:41 PM

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My walmart has quite a few organic items. They aren't lumped into a specific section, but in the produce section they sell organic baby spinach, organic garlic, and organic gala apples. In our chicken section they have harvest land organic chicken and ground turkey. Often times if it's close to expiration they will knock down the price.

Same with the Walmart here.

Giant also carries a good amount of organic produce and harvest land and a good amount of wild fish.

Food Lions also carries Harvest Land Organic chicken and ground turkey.

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RE: What is the difference? - 1/28/2013 5:20:21 PM

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We have meijer, which is a godsend in this tiny little town that we live in. They have a huge healthy living section. I love it!

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RE: What is the difference? - 1/28/2013 5:22:03 PM

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I just found out last week there is a Harris & Teeter here in Baltimore not too far away from me. I have to say, I liked shopping there. There was a lot of interesting and whole type foods there and not really expensive.

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