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ORIGINAL: DomYngBlk
WTF are you spouting? What do you think will happen. Prices will rise?
Somehow you feel as if you live in this world where prices are going to continually fall. I guess you are a hermit in Toledo. Walk out the door and pay your own bills. Prices, do go up. We do make more money. What I was giving you was why the argument for H1's falls apart if you are going to only discuss "quality". The price of H1's no matter the degree is always less than the higher quality American version. They all try to do it to varying degrees.
Your other discussion of cars made no sense. Are you saying that the external force of rising gas prices had no affect on what cars were sold? Are you sure it was quality? Can you prove it?
But it doesn't matter. you will come back with some other story as you always do. You never once have ever said you could possibly be incorrect about anything. Hence, the reason to avoid trying to talk to you.

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: DomYngBlk
WTF are you spouting? What do you think will happen. Prices will rise?
Somehow you feel as if you live in this world where prices are going to continually fall. I guess you are a hermit in Toledo. Walk out the door and pay your own bills. Prices, do go up. We do make more money. What I was giving you was why the argument for H1's falls apart if you are going to only discuss "quality". The price of H1's no matter the degree is always less than the higher quality American version. They all try to do it to varying degrees.
Your other discussion of cars made no sense. Are you saying that the external force of rising gas prices had no affect on what cars were sold? Are you sure it was quality? Can you prove it?
But it doesn't matter. you will come back with some other story as you always do. You never once have ever said you could possibly be incorrect about anything. Hence, the reason to avoid trying to talk to you.

Yep, gas prices rising was certainly an influence, but so was quality (which is why I mentioned them both, btw). You really could not understand how the foreign car industry changed the American car industry? Seriously?

Yes, prices go up with inflation. But, that's not what I'm talking about. You buying bread for $1.39 and then the cost of bread rises dramatically, overnight, and you're going to tell me that bread rising to $1.59 is "inflation?"

You would do much for yourself if you were more successful in avoiding getting into discussions with me. But, I do look forward to hearing your review of Hazlitt's book. I won't be holding my breath, though.

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ORIGINAL: DomYngBlk

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: DomYngBlk
WTF are you spouting? What do you think will happen. Prices will rise?
Somehow you feel as if you live in this world where prices are going to continually fall. I guess you are a hermit in Toledo. Walk out the door and pay your own bills. Prices, do go up. We do make more money. What I was giving you was why the argument for H1's falls apart if you are going to only discuss "quality". The price of H1's no matter the degree is always less than the higher quality American version. They all try to do it to varying degrees.
Your other discussion of cars made no sense. Are you saying that the external force of rising gas prices had no affect on what cars were sold? Are you sure it was quality? Can you prove it?
But it doesn't matter. you will come back with some other story as you always do. You never once have ever said you could possibly be incorrect about anything. Hence, the reason to avoid trying to talk to you.

Yep, gas prices rising was certainly an influence, but so was quality (which is why I mentioned them both, btw). You really could not understand how the foreign car industry changed the American car industry? Seriously?
Yes, prices go up with inflation. But, that's not what I'm talking about. You buying bread for $1.39 and then the cost of bread rises dramatically, overnight, and you're going to tell me that bread rising to $1.59 is "inflation?"
You would do much for yourself if you were more successful in avoiding getting into discussions with me. But, I do look forward to hearing your review of Hazlitt's book. I won't be holding my breath, though.

Can I just suggest starting here......http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1973_oil_crisis
you can read many things about those years but to characterize the rise of the Japanese Import to be based solely on Quality is complete bullshit. Show me any graph you want to of vehicle "quality" that rides along with a higher price for those vehicles. Doesn't exist.
you'd do well to keep with what we were discussing. you've seemingly three times now passed over the content of what I was getting at. Namely that MS and other companies use inferior H1 visa candidates as a way to hold down salaries of Scientists and Engineers in the US.

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GM/Chrysler/Ford had a hard time selling cars because of imports. Why? Was it price? Not initially, because the prices were higher than domestic. Then, what was it? Quality. Those foreign cars were running, and running, and running, and got better gas mileage. Now? I'm going to guess that the quality of domestic vehicles is the equal to the imports, at the very least. Gas mileage sure has improved, too. So, two big reasons people were buying imports over domestics have been dealt with and overcome. Shocking how a little competition can give rise to big changes, eh?

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1960-1974

1961 Amphicar
1961 Corvair
1966 Peel Trident
1970 AMC Gremlin
1970 Triumph Stag
1971 Chrysler Imperial LeBaron Two-Door Hardtop
1971 Ford Pinto
1974 Jaguar XK-E V12 Series III


1975-1989


1975 Bricklin SV1
1975 Morgan Plus 8 Propane
1975 Triumph TR7
1975 Trabant
1976 Aston Martin Lagonda
1976 Chevy Chevette
1978 AMC Pacer
1980 Corvette 305 "California"
1980 Ferrari Mondial 8
1981 Cadillac Fleetwood V-8-6-4
1981 De Lorean DMC-12
1982 Cadillac Cimarron
1982 Camaro Iron Duke
1984 Maserati Biturbo
1985 Mosler Consulier GTP
1985 Yugo GV
1986 Lamborghini LM002


1990-Present


1995 Ford Explorer
1997 GM EV1
1997 Plymouth Prowler
1998 Fiat Multipla
2000 Ford Excursion
2001 Jaguar X-Type
2001 Pontiac Aztek
2002 BMW 7-series
2003 Hummer H2
2004 Chevy SSR

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Sorry, pass on book recommendations.......I might catch what you got.

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by the way, your whole "do well not to get in a discussion with me" is running on empty. you've done it with anyone here who has beat you about the head with your own argument. time for a new line

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ORIGINAL: Powergamz1
You might want to cite Edmunds, rather than someone who uses criteria like "People, particularly women drivers, discovered that they liked sitting up high", or "The Prowler didn't even have a manual transmission, which made it almost impossible to lay down the requisite stripes of hot rubber", and "I rented one of these in Europe and it worked beautifully, but it was just so tragic to look at." as criteria for inclusion on a **lemon** list.

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ORIGINAL: DomYngBlk
what a joke, sure you won't leave. you won't ever leave.

Does bringing products from china to north america supress pricing of north american made goods?  Its the same as labor. Of course it does.....use your head.

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ORIGINAL: DomYngBlk
DS try reading for comprehension. I asked for a list that gives higher vehicle quality for foreign made cars along with higher prices than US made cars in the infancy of the japanese care invasion. As you have proven that list doesn't exist. The premise you gave was incorrect.

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But, again that has nothing to do namely with the OP or what I was remarking to about H1 visas. We can go on in this vain and you can keep looking foolish or you can talk to the point.

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Show you? fuck off , got better things to do with my time. But you've said similar things to oh...tazzy, mike, ron, etc etc. Anyone that challenges the Imperial Genius of Toledo.

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ORIGINAL: DomYngBlk
Believe what you believe. Say what you want to say. I don't give a fuck. But, I am not going to let you spray your idiocy out there without being called on it.

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ORIGINAL: DomYngBlk
Naw really I don't. Its a message board. Take a deep breath.

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ORIGINAL: DomYngBlk
You haven't figured it out? Of course you haven't.....but who knows maybe you will.

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: Powergamz1
You might want to cite Edmunds, rather than someone who uses criteria like "People, particularly women drivers, discovered that they liked sitting up high", or "The Prowler didn't even have a manual transmission, which made it almost impossible to lay down the requisite stripes of hot rubber", and "I rented one of these in Europe and it worked beautifully, but it was just so tragic to look at." as criteria for inclusion on a **lemon** list.

So, you are criticizing the writer and not the list, eh?

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ORIGINAL: Powergamz1
I was offering you a chance (via Edmunds and other objective review sources) to actually learn which cars were rated good, average, and poor, based on their repair records, mechanics reviews, and owner reviews. A chance to see in which years and models Japanese cars lost their earlier quality edge.
On the off chance that you were actually interested in learning some facts, instead of simply re-labeling opinions as facts.

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: Powergamz1
You might want to cite Edmunds, rather than someone who uses criteria like "People, particularly women drivers, discovered that they liked sitting up high", or "The Prowler didn't even have a manual transmission, which made it almost impossible to lay down the requisite stripes of hot rubber", and "I rented one of these in Europe and it worked beautifully, but it was just so tragic to look at." as criteria for inclusion on a **lemon** list.

So, you are criticizing the writer and not the list, eh?

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