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RE: Submissive in sexless marriage - 6/21/2006 9:34:29 PM   
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lol hiyas breakme
 
 

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RE: Submissive in sexless marriage - 6/21/2006 9:43:04 PM   
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Someone should really put this group under a micrscope sometimes, and study group behavior on the internet. My opinion: This group will sometimes do just about anything to get a fight going, and keep it going. I'm "not playing" tonight (or  any other night). It leads nowhere. It's a colassal waste of time (at least - my time. Do what you want with yours, of course).

I said it once and I will say it again: I have my opinion, and I have no idea where anyone ever got the impression I was seeking anyone's approval for it. 
I really don't give a darn what anyone else thinks about it. Perhaps they think I do - if so, they are very mistaken.

I repeat: Think whatever you want. I simply don't care...
Argue that until the cows come home - your choice. I have to get some shut-eye.

- Susan  

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RE: Submissive in sexless marriage - 6/21/2006 9:46:49 PM   
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How Ironic..... More than a few women complain that all a man wants is sex and when he doesn't put out.. Guess what, we complain that he doesn't put out!

There can be any number of reasons.... Bottom line... Suck it up Princess!  Some people's sex drive just runs out of gas, some are have turbo boosters on them.  In the end, she is choosing to stay in the relationship! So Suck it up!


Ok you finally said something I disagree with.  Im kinda glad that happened.

No disrespect intended Knight.  But that may be easy to say when you have 3 available women to meet your sexual needs.  How would you feel in a *monogamous* marriage, resigning yourself to never having sex again....oh.....or ANY kind of affection for that matter.  Suck it up and masturbate for the rest of your life?  Maybe wrap your arms around yourself?  Kiss your own hand and pretend its your spouse?   People in marriages need affections, bonding and intimacy of a physical nature.

Furthermore your example of women complaining that men want sex,  held up against this women who was in a sexless marriage complaining about not getting sex is comparing apples to oranges.  You are taking a generalization of "women complaining about men wanting sex"  and holding one  person in particular responsible for that, in implying that she complains that shes not getting it from her husband.  That was really out there.

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RE: Submissive in sexless marriage - 6/21/2006 9:46:57 PM   
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Good night, Susan. Sleep well.

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RE: Submissive in sexless marriage - 6/21/2006 9:48:02 PM   
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Thank you. I appreciate that. You too. - Susan

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RE: Submissive in sexless marriage - 6/21/2006 9:56:47 PM   
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marie,
 
I do believe the point in question was a statement based on how men are viewed as a whole.
 
women complain that men only want sex.
women complain when men dont want sex.
 
men just arent ever right, they express the want for sex they get accused of being pigs or they only want a piece.
They express not wanting any sex at all, they get labeled as being abusers.
 
its a no win situation for them....
 
I dont believe it was an attack from KoM, as I stated pretty much the exact same thing a while back in the thread.

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RE: Submissive in sexless marriage - 6/21/2006 10:01:21 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: SusanofO

Someone should really put this group under a micrscope sometimes, and study group behavior on the internet. My opinion: This group will sometimes do just about anything to get a fight going, and keep it going. I'm "not playing" tonight (or  any other night). It leads nowhere. It's a colassal waste of time (at least - my time. Do what you want with yours, of course).

I said it once and I will say it again: I have my opinion, and I have no idea where anyone ever got the impression I was seeking anyone's approval for it. 
I really don't give a darn what anyone else thinks about it. Perhaps they think I do - if so, they are very mistaken.

I repeat: Think whatever you want. I simply don't care...
Argue that until the cows come home - your choice. I have to get some shut-eye.

- Susan  


Susan:

If you are seeking compassion or understanding, you will be hard-put to find it here.

There is nothing wrong with you for feeling that your marriage was sorely lacking.  It doesnt make it anyones fault.  Your late husband had issues....whether they were physical/mental or whatever.  That doesnt make him at fault.  And you certainly are not at fault for needing the kind of affection that he couldnt give you.  My guess is that it was something inside of him, and not something that you were doing wrong. I understand internalizing it and second guessing yourself.  Ive done that in my Ds relationships in the past.  When they ended I always blamed myself or thought about what I shouldve done differently.  God, that is so common and so normal. Especially in your case, because he's not here to bounce this off of.  You may never have your closure, but you need to give it to yourself anyway.  You dont need to shoulder "blame".  I abhor that word, I always have.  No one is to blame.  We do the best we can.  Sometimes its enough, other times its not.  Sometimes we cant change ourselves, or the other person. Is there blame to place for that?  Of course not.  Try not to take it personally or be angry with your husband.  Just think of what he may have been feeling.  God only knows what was going on inside of him.  Maybe you never knew and never will.  But surely it mustve been hurting him in some way as well, just as it was hurting you, but in a *different* way.  There is nothing wrong with expecting sex, communication, honesty, dinner on the table, love, affection etc etc from each other in a marriage.  But sometimes one or the other just cant swing it for whatever reason.  Stop beating yourself up, and blaming yourself.  No matter what you say here, you are deep down blaming yourself and youre here because you want someone to tell you that it *isnt* your fault.  Well, its not.  Its no one's fault.  Shit happens, human beings make mistakes, have issues, have discomforts, have physical problems etc.  Try to go on with your life. The longer you hold onto this, the longer you stay on the stationary bike.  Its so easy to sit here and dole out advice, because Im not in your shoes. But you really are going to have to let it go and only you have the power to make that happen.  And the worst thing for you to do, is to absorb all the negative energy on these boards.  I would strongly recommend talking personally to a friend and keeping it out of this forum.  They will only make it harder on you. Best wishes to you.  This too shall pass.

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RE: Submissive in sexless marriage - 6/21/2006 10:08:01 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Reflectivesoul

lol hiyas breakme
 
 


Waves to RS... eating cherrios... can't talk with mouth full...LOL


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RE: Submissive in sexless marriage - 6/21/2006 10:08:38 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Reflectivesoul

marie,
 
I do believe the point in question was a statement based on how men are viewed as a whole.
 
women complain that men only want sex.
women complain when men dont want sex.
 
men just arent ever right, they express the want for sex they get accused of being pigs or they only want a piece.
They express not wanting any sex at all, they get labeled as being abusers.
 
its a no win situation for them....
 
I dont believe it was an attack from KoM, as I stated pretty much the exact same thing a while back in the thread.


Rs:

I didnt take it like he was attacking her.  But this is about one woman's situation in particular.  Sure, alot of us complain that we get emails and such from men and all they want is sex.  Its a turn off.  But how does that compare to a woman in a monogamous marriage complaining that she "doesnt" get sex?   I just didnt think the comparison applied to this girl's case at all. Thats the only point I was trying to make.  I feel badly for her.  For whatever reason, she is upset and not getting any help. It seems everyone is trivializing it.  I mean...I know the marriage is over, but apparently this still eats her up inside.  Ive been reading this thread, but not posting until tonight.  I just dont get why no one is understanding of a person being in pain. 

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RE: Submissive in sexless marriage - 6/21/2006 10:09:18 PM   
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better not let me near them cheerios hun, I'll pee in em lol
 
*hugs*

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RE: Submissive in sexless marriage - 6/21/2006 10:15:23 PM   
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oh comes on RS... piss in the corn flakes... but not the cherrios...LMAO.

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RE: Submissive in sexless marriage - 6/21/2006 10:22:06 PM   
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marie,
 
There were more than one women posting at this originally, which is when I made the generalization.
 
Being in pain is understandable, I've been through plenty of situations that hurt. I also have said that if she is hurting that she needs to look upon herself to fix it and why she allowed herself to get to this point. Hell I also told her I hope she finds some peace too. Which just seemed to piss her off even worse, because I said it.
 
I just dont buy into the whole victim thing of a sexless relationship. I have also stated more than once why I dont.
 
What I fail to agree with is laying blame on someone else for the way someone feels, behaves, or whatever their actions may be. If this is insensitive well then so be it.
 
 But no one can change that attitude of being the "victim" untill they look at why they felt the way they do.

Now in no way am I saying there is no such thing as a victim, but in cases where you CAN do something about the situation and instead blame everyone else for it, its wrong.
I'm going to borrow erin's tag line... " if you play on the tracks you there by forfeit the right to bitch when you get hit by the oncoming train".

Instead of internalizing the lack of sex she could have very well said this is "his" choice, he has the right to not want things that I want, and thereby stopping the internalization of the situation and thus hurting herself. Its not the mans lack of sex thats eating her, it is her own internalization of it thats eating her and he is in no way responsible for that, she is.

To reiterate she'll heal much faster once she gets past the name and blame game and gets to the root of why she allowed herself to get that far down in a hole and did nothing about it.

But as behavior has shown time and time again its always someone elses fault for her own actions. So I have NO sympathy for that.

Again if thats being cold hearted and mean, well gimme the sticker and I'll wear it. 

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RE: Submissive in sexless marriage - 6/21/2006 10:23:35 PM   
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but damnit cornflakes just get all soggy and nasty... cheerios float! Much more fun to piss in those instead lol.

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RE: Submissive in sexless marriage - 6/21/2006 10:32:54 PM   
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Well i must of been eating something else.. because I kept saying cherrios... not cheerios...lmao

Been an interesting thread.... and I was trying to taste my milk in my cereal.. and not the piss and vinegar.....LOL


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RE: Submissive in sexless marriage - 6/21/2006 10:38:13 PM   
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No disrespect intended Knight.  But that may be easy to say when you have 3 available women to meet your sexual needs.  How would you feel in a *monogamous* marriage, resigning yourself to never having sex again....oh.....or ANY kind of affection for that matter.  Suck it up and masturbate for the rest of your life?  Maybe wrap your arms around yourself?  Kiss your own hand and pretend its your spouse?   People in marriages need affections, bonding and intimacy of a physical nature.

Furthermore your example of women complaining that men want sex,  held up against this women who was in a sexless marriage complaining about not getting sex is comparing apples to oranges.  You are taking a generalization of "women complaining about men wanting sex"  and holding one  person in particular responsible for that, in implying that she complains that shes not getting it from her husband.  That was really out there.


No Disrespect Recieved... You seem to miss the point of the post.  First.... A person makes a choice to stay or leave such a relationship.  I don't have much use for those that make the choice to stay, but they whine and cry about how hard it is  SUCK IT UP or leave. 

Second... guess why I have these women to fulfill my needs..... Because I made the choices that earned me that lifestyle.  It's not easy... It's alot of work... But, I did it.  So many think that I have the fantasy life... myself... I have MY LIFE... It's Great.  But I did it.  No one except those close to me can appreciate the work and effort and pain that it took to get me to where I am today.  No one can appreciate the choices I made or what I had to endure and learn.  But I had the courage to move forward to what I want... instead of enduring what I didn't want.  That being said... sometimes one needs to endure alittle.  But, that is a person's choice and no one is responsible for that choice except the person that makes it.  And enduring with dignity and class is much better than having a chip on one's shoulder and full of self-pity and blame.

Lastly, the comparison stands.  It's two situations that are equally foolish.  Just as someone making a choice to endure a bad situation and blaming someone else for that choice.


< Message edited by KnightofMists -- 6/21/2006 10:43:22 PM >


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RE: Submissive in sexless marriage - 6/21/2006 10:40:30 PM   
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ewwwwww
 
*hands you a bottle of listerine and some scope*
 
Hunny here this should take care of that nashty taste in ya mouth *giggles* and you're not allowed to talk to me anymore till you use them both! lol *laughs*
 
* hands over a toothbrush loaded with listerine toothpaste too*
 
( just for added comfort levels ya know?)

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RE: Submissive in sexless marriage - 6/21/2006 10:46:30 PM   
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marie,
 
There were more than one women posting at this originally, which is when I made the generalization.
 
Being in pain is understandable, I've been through plenty of situations that hurt. I also have said that if she is hurting that she needs to look upon herself to fix it and why she allowed herself to get to this point. Hell I also told her I hope she finds some peace too. Which just seemed to piss her off even worse, because I said it.
 
I just dont buy into the whole victim thing of a sexless relationship. I have also stated more than once why I dont.
 
What I fail to agree with is laying blame on someone else for the way someone feels, behaves, or whatever their actions may be. If this is insensitive well then so be it.
 
 But no one can change that attitude of being the "victim" untill they look at why they felt the way they do.

Now in no way am I saying there is no such thing as a victim, but in cases where you CAN do something about the situation and instead blame everyone else for it, its wrong.
I'm going to borrow erin's tag line... " if you play on the tracks you there by forfeit the right to bitch when you get hit by the oncoming train".

Instead of internalizing the lack of sex she could have very well said this is "his" choice, he has the right to not want things that I want, and thereby stopping the internalization of the situation and thus hurting herself. Its not the mans lack of sex thats eating her, it is her own internalization of it thats eating her and he is in no way responsible for that, she is.

To reiterate she'll heal much faster once she gets past the name and blame game and gets to the root of why she allowed herself to get that far down in a hole and did nothing about it.

But as behavior has shown time and time again its always someone elses fault for her own actions. So I have NO sympathy for that.

Again if thats being cold hearted and mean, well gimme the sticker and I'll wear it. 


Rs:

Firstly, I didnt even see in the earlier posts where you made the sex generalization.  I was actually responding to KoM's statement where that was concerned.

I dont think you're cold hearted at all. I agree with alot, if not all, of what you just said.

I just get the feeling that Susan needs compassion. And she hasnt found it here on this thread. Maybe a more sensitive delivery of the same message. I pretty much said the same thing in my post to her, but I did it maybe a little bit more gently than what she has been met with here. 

Im not here to tell anyone how to conduct themselves.  I guess I just would take a little bit different approach. 

Well, Im off to my manless sexless bed--- which is just fine with me.  (for tonight anyway). lol.

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RE: Submissive in sexless marriage - 6/21/2006 10:46:39 PM   
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Thank You!!!!!!!!!!!........... LOL...

Ok... we return you to your regularly scheduled threads now... we've gotten through the piss crisis... LOL


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RE: Submissive in sexless marriage - 6/21/2006 11:02:22 PM   
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ni night marie, sleep sweet. And no worries  theres no skin off my nose or anything *smiles*

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RE: Submissive in sexless marriage - 6/21/2006 11:04:03 PM   
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heh
all that said from such a shiny, glimmeringly clean listerine and scope fresh mouth *laughs*
 


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