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herworshipper -> RE: Police: 3 dead after ex-cop vows 'war' on other police, their families (2/8/2013 9:44:34 PM)
Replying to absolutchocolate. I concur. There is something wrong here. The cops cannot just shoot people up because they have vehiches that look like the vehichles that they are looking for. I think that is unconstitutional and unprofessional at the same time. I relize that being a cop is stressful and that whenever they are making a "routine traffic stop", they have in the back of their mind that the person they stopped for having a headlight out might be the fugitive mass murderer that they were looking for and thus may attack them, but gee that is part of the job. If you cannot deal with it, you are in the wrong line of work.

herworshipper -> RE: Police: 3 dead after ex-cop vows 'war' on other police, their families (2/8/2013 10:06:20 PM)
I tried posting earlier and I cannot find my post. Basically, I think that cops going around shooting at people who have vehichles like the one they are looking for or people who look like the fugitive without checking it out is a bad idea. I know the job is dangerous, but that is the job. If you cannot handle that, quit. It is illegal and unprofessional to deprive people of life without due process of law. I know that 911 has prompted us to practically dispense with out constitutional rights, but I also believe that the day wiill come when we come back to our senses.

Nosathro -> RE: Police: 3 dead after ex-cop vows 'war' on other police, their families (2/8/2013 10:11:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: stephINca quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx quote: ORIGINAL: DarkSteven quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee It sounds like he should never have been commissioned. That's what I thought. Both the Navy and the LAPD should have firm criteria for mental health for admission. I can't believe that they took him in, and trained him in how to kill. Both the navy and the lapd have firm criteria for mental health for admission...how do you think he got in? The Navy does not have any psychological testing going in unless they changed it in since I was in. They don't even ask if you have been to a shrink. It's all on the honor system. PD does though...sometimes it takes an "event" for the person to show symptoms. The structure of the military and PD often keep the person from breaking. I don't believe they will catch him until he wants to be caught he has obviously planned every bit this. Locking my doors and sleeping with one eye open for a while. I was a Probation/Parole Officer in California. The LAPD does of an extensive pre-employment procedure. A co-work was applying for the LAPD, yes he had to go and take a psychological test. He was the son of a LA Sheriff Detective and everyone thought he going to get in. One of the last thing in the preemployment is that he is observed by a LAPD detective for a period of time. It was amusing because we could see him across the street from where we worked, coming in we waved to him. However he disappeared and soon after my co-work got a letter from the LAPD stating he failed. I retired some 20 years ago from Parole, yet the State still has me as having a valid conceal weapons permit and my car, the one I have now, is on the restrictive registration list.

TheHeretic -> RE: Police: 3 dead after ex-cop vows 'war' on other police, their families (2/8/2013 10:15:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: herworshipper I tried posting earlier and I cannot find my post. The clock is ticking, in the, "find the edit button," challenge. [;)]

Nosathro -> RE: Police: 3 dead after ex-cop vows 'war' on other police, their families (2/8/2013 10:19:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: blacksword404 quote: ORIGINAL: Nosathro quote: ORIGINAL: blacksword404 Cops don't typically tell on other cops. They either back them or conveniently don't remember seeing anything. A cop that snitches on other cops might call for backup in a gun battle to have nobody show up to help him. I am only posting new articles...I am not the author and you are making alot of assumptions with no facts to base it upon. What exactly do you have issue with? You don't think cops hang other cops out to dry? A cop branded as a snitch calls for help and a car 15 minutes away takes 40 minutes to get there. Yeah that never happens. And soldiers also don't frag other soldiers. And you still are not making any sense.

Owner59 -> RE: Police: 3 dead after ex-cop vows 'war' on other police, their families (2/8/2013 10:20:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata ~ FR ~ If you've been watching CNN, you've realized that this is being ginned up into a major media event featuring Christopher Dorner. The "news" anchors are practically salivating. "Seventeen million people terrorized in California!" He is the celebrity of the moment, with all eyes upon him, soaking up his life, the alleged injustices he's suffered, and his feelings about virtually everything except what desserts he favors. And people wonder why nuts with a beef who feel their complaints are under-appreciated go on a killing spree. Gee, that's a tough one. K. I put the blame on the shooter......NOT society.....

Nosathro -> RE: Police: 3 dead after ex-cop vows 'war' on other police, their families (2/8/2013 10:25:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: stephINca quote: ORIGINAL: servantforuse Does anyone think that more gun laws would have stopped what this guy did ? How did I know this would come up. No he would have found other ways to do what he is doing. IED's etc. Personally glad he isn't using such as the Riverside shooting happened 3 blocks from my house on a street me and my children frequent along with thousands of others. IF everyone was packing MOFO wouldn't be able to do what he is doing. I've said it before and I still believe it the states with enormous amount's of gun laws have more gun violence than the states without. I'm sure that the NRA has statistics on it or your could google gun related crimes over the past year or two. In one report, California did not make the top ten. California is also considering new gun control laws. http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/opinion-la/la-ol-gun-violence-highest-homicide-rates-20121220,0,4396277.photogallery http://rt.com/usa/news/toughest-gun-law-california-708/

blacksword404 -> RE: Police: 3 dead after ex-cop vows 'war' on other police, their families (2/8/2013 10:30:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Nosathro quote: ORIGINAL: blacksword404 quote: ORIGINAL: Nosathro quote: ORIGINAL: blacksword404 Cops don't typically tell on other cops. They either back them or conveniently don't remember seeing anything. A cop that snitches on other cops might call for backup in a gun battle to have nobody show up to help him. I am only posting new articles...I am not the author and you are making alot of assumptions with no facts to base it upon. What exactly do you have issue with? You don't think cops hang other cops out to dry? A cop branded as a snitch calls for help and a car 15 minutes away takes 40 minutes to get there. Yeah that never happens. And soldiers also don't frag other soldiers. And you still are not making any sense. Nope. None at all.

Nosathro -> RE: Police: 3 dead after ex-cop vows 'war' on other police, their families (2/8/2013 10:34:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Fightdirecto IMO, it says a lot about the mental state of this former LAPD officer that the first person he chose to murder was the daughter of the police officer who unsuccessfuly defended him at his hearing. it seems that Mark Ostler, Professor of Law, University of St. Thomas might be correct: quote: Our society is in thrall to the idea of revenge. It is the central plot device in so much of what we consider to be entertainment. How many movies feature a hero striking back at those who wronged him? Over and over, our children and teenagers sit beside us and thrill to the story of a man with a gun who finds a way to exact retribution...the obtaining of revenge has value to us, and gives us meaning. The glorification of killing in the service of personal retribution is a deeply held public value. What is the cost of celebrating this value over and over and over? What might be the effect of declaring that retribution is a high virtue - of teaching exactly that to the weak and the strong, the young and the old, the mentally able and those who are infirm in thought and emotion? What do we think might happen when a person is taught that a man's highest and best use can be shooting down those who have wronged us? IMO, this former LAPD officer believes he was wronged, and society has taught him and trained him that the correct and honorable thing for him to do is to revenge himself against those who wronged him (and, by extention, their families). It is possible he could have Histrionic Personality Disorder but that is for a Doctor to decide http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Histrionic_personality_disorder

TheHeretic -> RE: Police: 3 dead after ex-cop vows 'war' on other police, their families (2/9/2013 12:34:47 AM)
He's building a fan base... [image]local://upfiles/409734/23D04D4C6AFC4B928803F81ACAB50877.jpg[/image]

Hillwilliam -> RE: Police: 3 dead after ex-cop vows 'war' on other police, their families (2/9/2013 3:16:46 PM)
Have the LAPD shot up any more pickup trucks?

TheHeretic -> RE: Police: 3 dead after ex-cop vows 'war' on other police, their families (2/9/2013 6:42:22 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam Have the LAPD shot up any more pickup trucks? Not that they are admitting to. No count yet on the vacation cabins that have had the door kicked in. I came across a link to the local police/fire frequency. Not a good day to be a hiker up there, and the cops sound nervous http://tunein.com/radio/Big-Bear-Lake-City-Fire-and-Police-Scanner-s131275/

Marini -> RE: Police: 3 dead after ex-cop vows 'war' on other police, their families (2/9/2013 10:08:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic Not that they are admitting to. No count yet on the vacation cabins that have had the door kicked in. I came across a link to the local police/fire frequency. Not a good day to be a hiker up there, and the cops sound nervous http://tunein.com/radio/Big-Bear-Lake-City-Fire-and-Police-Scanner-s131275/ I am surprised they have not found him, he won't allow himself to be taken alive/not that they would probably do that. It's interesting they opened up the case that got him dismissed to investigate it.

TheHeretic -> RE: Police: 3 dead after ex-cop vows 'war' on other police, their families (2/9/2013 10:22:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Marini It's interesting they opened up the case that got him dismissed to investigate it. Disinformation is my guess on that, Mari. It will get a nice fresh coat of whitewash, before going back in the drawer when he's been killed. Did you get a chance to go through the full manifesto?

BamaD -> RE: Police: 3 dead after ex-cop vows 'war' on other police, their families (2/9/2013 10:28:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic quote: ORIGINAL: Marini It's interesting they opened up the case that got him dismissed to investigate it. Disinformation is my guess on that, Mari. It will get a nice fresh coat of whitewash, before going back in the drawer when he's been killed. Did you get a chance to go through the full manifesto? You do realise that you just convicted the other officer? I say this because you have declared anything that says she is not guilty of every thing he said is a whitewash. Have you concidered the posibility that she actually is innocent. Clearly not as it is either guilty or a whitwash. The man was clearly unbalanced when writing why do you assume he has correctly analized the situation?

Marini -> RE: Police: 3 dead after ex-cop vows 'war' on other police, their families (2/9/2013 10:29:25 PM)
quote: Did you get a chance to go through the full manifesto? Hiya Rich, actually I have not, I read quite a bit the other night, it is certainly intense. I saved it and will read more eventually. Did you read all or most of it? I read a few of the shout outs he gives at the end, it was a bit much. He must have spent weeks writing this. Doesn't he start talking about the music he enjoys? Wonder if he likes classic rock.

Marini -> RE: Police: 3 dead after ex-cop vows 'war' on other police, their families (2/9/2013 10:41:23 PM)
quote: You do realise that you just convivted the other officer? I say this because you have declared anything that says she is not guilty of every thing he said is a whitewash. Have you concidered the posibility that she actually is innocent. Clearly not as it is either guilty or a whitwash. The man was clearly unbalanced when writing why do you assume he has correctky analized the situation? I bet Rich will answer this for himself, but it is obvious he and many others {including myself}, feel that the LAPD is tainted with racial animosity, police brutality and police corruption. None of this justifies the actions of this ex-cop who is disturbed. I live in Virginia, and have heard many of the LAPD horror stories for years. This man has had a psychotic break, but that does not mean that there is NOT a lot WRONG with many involved in the LAPD.

TheHeretic -> RE: Police: 3 dead after ex-cop vows 'war' on other police, their families (2/9/2013 10:44:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Marini Hiya Rich, actually I have not, I read quite a bit the other night, it is certainly intense. I saved it and will read more eventually. Did you read all or most of it? I read a few of the shout outs he gives at the end, I read a few. Wonder if he likes classic rock? I read it. Granted, some parts I read very quickly. The political stuff is a hoot, but it I don't see the work of a focused mind, or one that thinks ahead, both of which would be needed for him to be the absolute menace he fancies himself.

TheHeretic -> RE: Police: 3 dead after ex-cop vows 'war' on other police, their families (2/9/2013 10:54:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD You do realise that you just convivted the other officer? I say this because you have declared anything that says she is not guilty of every thing he said is a whitewash. Have you concidered the posibility that she actually is innocent. Clearly not as it is either guilty or a whitwash. The man was clearly unbalanced when writing why do you assume he has correctky analized the situation? I don't need the last screed of a madman to know what LAPD is, BamaD, and I'm perfectly happy to condemn the entire organizational culture as brutal and corrupt, on the flimsiest of excuses.

BamaD -> RE: Police: 3 dead after ex-cop vows 'war' on other police, their families (2/9/2013 10:55:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Marini quote: You do realise that you just convivted the other officer? I say this because you have declared anything that says she is not guilty of every thing he said is a whitewash. Have you concidered the posibility that she actually is innocent. Clearly not as it is either guilty or a whitwash. The man was clearly unbalanced when writing why do you assume he has correctky analized the situation? I bet Rich will answer this for himself, but it is obvious he and many others {including myself} feel that many in the LAPD are not representing the cream of the crop in the police department. None of this justifies the actions of this ex-cop who is disturbed. I live in Virginia, and have heard many of the LAPD horror stories for years. This man has had a psychotic break, but that does not mean that there is NOT a lot WRONG with many involved in the LAPD. True, however the distinct possibility that there are problems in the LAPD does not prove his accusations.

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