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ORIGINAL: BamaD

I prefer proof, just a quirk of mine.

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"Don’t honor these fallen officers/dirtbags. When your family members die, they just see you as extra overtime at a crime scene and at a perimeter. Why would you value their lives when they clearly don’t value yours or your family members lives? I’ve heard many officers who state they see dead victims as ATV’s, Waverunners, RV’s and new clothes for their kids. Why would you shed a tear for them when they in return crack a smile for your loss because of the impending extra money they will receive in their next paycheck for sitting at your loved ones crime scene of 6 hours because of the overtime they will accrue. They take photos of your loved ones recently deceased bodies with their cellphones and play a game of who has the most graphic dead body of the night with officers from other divisions. This isn’t just the 20 something year old officers, this is the 50 year old officers with significant time on the job as well who participate."

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

I prefer proof, just a quirk of mine.

Ok. Then find it in the fact of two innocent civilian vehicles subjected to the use of deadly force, without warning or target identification.

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The problem isn't discussing his grievances for no reason other than that Dorner is a mass murderer; the problem is dismissing his grievances for this reason. I just don't see how that kind of reasoning operates. Someone being prepared to kill for an ideal speaks to the vehemence of their belief and their personal threshhold for violence; it doesn't say anything one way or the other about the correctness of the belief.

However, there is overwhelming evidence that Dorner's assertions are largely correct. If you dismiss them because of their source, you disrespect every victim of the LAPD's monstrous corruption. Would you have dismissed the abolition of slavery, merely because John Brown, a famous abolitionist, murdered slave owners?
posted by aeschenkarnos at 8:56 AM on February 10

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

Local authorities are putting together a million dollar reward on him.

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ORIGINAL: Nosathro

Well maybe this will help

http://news.yahoo.com/women-shot-calif-manhunt-truck-042312486.html

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ORIGINAL: thomasburlington

I think there lot more to this story...This man obviously has issues. I am sure there were some warning signs that were ignored.

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

I'm inclined to disagree, about it being a sudden snap, Mari. I think it is significant that he was fired from LAPD in 2009 (2008? There are conflicting reports), but only launched his spree after he had been separated from the Naval Reserve.

There are a lot of pieces that just don't add up. The attempted boat theft in San Diego, especially. I doubt we'll ever get a full story. We sure as hell aren't getting all that is known so far.

There is a sneaky catch on that million dollar reward, too. It's for information leading to his arrest and conviction, but he's going to get gunned down, the moment they find him.

If he is already dead, by his own hand and conscience, or just by the weather up in Big Bear, then I'm hoping they don't find his body for a while, just so the public display of LAPD procedure stays spotlit.

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ORIGINAL: Marini

Maybe they slipped up and hired someone "unbalanced" to begin with, and than he just snapped.

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

It doesn't make much sense, with the pieces that are out so far. Killing the daughter of his lawyer is about as nasty an act of revenge as you find. Then the crazy declaration of war manifesto, followed by an attempt to steal a boat, then his truck found burned out in the mountains, with a broken axle and camping equipment. He says in the manifesto that he won't target other departments, but the cops shot in their car were Riverside PD. Was he foolish enough to carry the .50 he claimed to have out of the truck, at the expense of more suitable weapons, and cold gear?

If he is still alive, we'll know when he kills someone else, and there will be a fresh trail to track him, and cameras to see how Socal LE plays it. If he's dead already, then let the coyotes and crows get their fill, before he's found, and the whole thing goes away.

I just don't want to see it spun in a way that allows amoral shitheads to use this guy as a distraction from the very real issues within the police culture.