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The current canine bad guy. - 2/12/2013 5:52:43 AM

jlf1961

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I have owned 4 pit bulls in the last 31years, and with the exception of one, none were neutered, and he was the one that turned aggressive, not towards people, but other dogs, after being attacked through a fence by another dog.

Here are some facts:

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RE: The current canine bad guy. - 2/12/2013 5:59:03 AM

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I've owned pits, fostered a few as well.
They are a misunderstood and misused breed.
They are far to often blamed for the actions and negligence of their owners.

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RE: The current canine bad guy. - 2/12/2013 6:23:36 AM

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Interesting fact sheet and having trained dogs for many years (professionally) I would tend to agree w/ it. Many years ago (1996) I flew to Ct to judge an ATTS (American Temperamnet Test Society) Test for the local pit bull club in New Haven. What a fantastic group of dogs and owners awaited me. I would guess that 98% of the dogs I judged that day passed with flying colors. Just goes to show that in 'most' cases, it is how the owner raises and trains the dogs (as is the case with each breed).

Best memory from that trip: The house where I stayed had a new litter of pit pups in the guest room. It ended up w/ me staying in that room, with mom occasionally jumping in bed to snuggle with me for a few minutes while taking a break from nursing her babies. And they say pits are bad? Pits are awesome.

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RE: The current canine bad guy. - 2/12/2013 9:32:03 PM

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I would say humans have done exponentially more damage to this breed than pits have done to humans globally. Living in the heart of breed specific death & have had to be in the room with the very people that promote this festering pile of crap to cities across the country have seen this first hand. I still have nightmares of roll off dumpsters full of animals killed out of the fear BSL created. Owners wouldn't allow me to take their animals to safety because of fear of police prosecution. If you see pictures of dumpsters full of naked pit bull bodies...I took them in the first days of the denver breed holocaust.
Jennifer Lopez pit bull is one I managed to save from the death squad & send to safety.

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RE: The current canine bad guy. - 2/13/2013 9:35:58 AM

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The only time I was ever hurt by a pitt was bruises on my calf from being lashed by the tail of one as I scratched his ears. That damn tail is like a bullwhip.

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RE: The current canine bad guy. - 2/13/2013 9:59:38 AM

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quote:

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The only time I was ever hurt by a pitt was bruises on my calf from being lashed by the tail of one as I scratched his ears. That damn tail is like a bullwhip.

I got scratched up when one knocked me over in enthusiasm. Living in Chicago I do see the occasional pit that I give a wide birth to.

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RE: The current canine bad guy. - 2/13/2013 12:02:06 PM

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I've had two separate neighbors in two totally different areas that owned pitbulls.
Both of those dogs would jump the fence, growling and creeping towards us. They were highly aggressive and appeared to be very vicious, and a few times kept our kids on lockdown in the house because of them.
Those were the only pits I have ever been introduced to so I can understand why some may jump to conclusions regarding the breed.

I do know that it was not simply because they were pitbulls. It was very much so because of the owners. By their actions and attitudes, we knew these were the types of owners that had pitbulls merely for the "badass" reputation these dogs have been given.
If pitbulls were not around, or did not have this reputation, those types of people would simply turn to Rottweilers, Dobermans, or another breed.

It's unfortunate you can't stop some people from owning dogs. Just as it is unfortunate you can't stop some from having children.

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RE: The current canine bad guy. - 2/13/2013 7:44:10 PM

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Now how could anyone think this little girl is evil?

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RE: The current canine bad guy. - 2/13/2013 7:55:16 PM

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I've only known one pit. She wasn't a bad dog but had incredible amounts of energy. Worse than a six month old lab and that's saying something. And not a good choice for a house with then small kids.

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RE: The current canine bad guy. - 2/13/2013 8:00:23 PM

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Pits need a great deal of exercise, but the reality is that they are great family dogs, especially when gotten young like Sassy, who will be 13 weeks tomorrow.

I took my granddaughter to visit my cousin. She has two dogs, a male pit bull and a male shitzu. Bentley, the pit, was great with her. Rico, the shitzu we had to keep away from her.

Oh, and at 6 months, Bentley was definitely energetic, but he also got lots of exercise and wasn't a spaz in the house. So while I know you fancy yourself the expert in all things, you really have no idea what you are talking about. A dog's behavior is a direct reflection of their owner. So if one is "energetic" and can't be controlled, it isn't the dog's fault, but the owner's for not training them properly.

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RE: The current canine bad guy. - 2/13/2013 8:14:47 PM

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quote:

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I've only known one pit. She wasn't a bad dog but had incredible amounts of energy. Worse than a six month old lab and that's saying something. And not a good choice for a house with then small kids.

pits are famously good family dogs. All young dogs need lots of exercise.

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RE: The current canine bad guy. - 2/14/2013 4:10:52 AM

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I don't mean to cast unfair aspersions, but every time I've seen a story like this one the dogs were pit bulls. And I've had a couple of personal experiences that didn't change my opinion. So while I don't mean to contradict anything anyone has said, I'm not convinced.

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RE: The current canine bad guy. - 2/14/2013 4:44:42 AM

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There is a reason that many insurance companies will not insure your home if you own a pitbull. Chows are another one on that list. There is a risk with owning pits that isn't there with many other breeds.

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RE: The current canine bad guy. - 2/14/2013 4:53:59 AM

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I hate to blame a breed, but the stats are pretty proven. This is from a 30 year study jlf, unlike your with a small sampling of 1000 dogs. Pit bulls are in fact far more violent...I mean really do you see drug dealers out walking labradors? Right. There is a reason they are chosen by those types of people, for nefarious reasons. I feel badly for them, and working in the shelter, I have met some beautiful ones, but even the ones with the seemingly moderate temperament, I don't ever ever take home and foster for a weekend like I do with almost any of the other dogs, because I have seen how unpredictable they are around smaller animals at times and certain strangers will trigger them to, for example males, and if you don't know ahead of time it's potentially a very dangerous situation.

http://www.dogsbite.org/dog-bite-statistics-study-dog-attacks-and-maimings-merritt-clifton.php

Study highlights
The combination of large breeds, including pit bulls, rottweilers, presa canarios, cane corsos, mastiffs, dogo argentinos, fila brasieros, and their mixes:

79% of attacks that induce bodily harm
72% of attacks to children
85% of attack to adults
69% of attacks that result in fatalities
77% that result in maiming

Discussion notes:

Even if the pit bull category was "split four ways," attacks by pit bulls and their closest relatives would still outnumber attacks by any other breed.
Pit bulls are noteworthy for attacking adults almost as frequently as children. This is a very rare pattern, only seen elsewhere in the bullmastiff/presa canario line.
If a pit bull or rottweiler has a bad moment, instead of being bitten, often someone is maimed or killed; that has now created off-the-chart actuarial risk.

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RE: The current canine bad guy. - 2/14/2013 5:01:08 AM

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No, the stats aren't 'proven', until you answer the question *why?*

If there is a causal or autocorrelative factor at work in large breed violence, then your whole post is simply spin.

I wonder if there is an outside factor at work??

Or should we just ignore reality and logic, and instead think of the chidren and have somebody do something?

Hmmmm....

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ORIGINAL: Aynne88

I hate to blame a breed, but the stats are pretty proven. This is from a 30 year study jlf, unlike your with a small sampling of 1000 dogs. Pit bulls are in fact far more violent...I mean really do you see drug dealers out walking labradors? Right. There is a reason they are chosen by those types of people, for nefarious reasons. I feel badly for them, and working in the shelter, I have met some beautiful ones, but even the ones with the seemingly moderate temperament, I don't ever ever take home and foster for a weekend like I do with almost any of the other dogs, because I have seen how unpredictable they are around smaller animals at times and certain strangers will trigger them to, for example males, and if you don't know ahead of time it's potentially a very dangerous situation.

http://www.dogsbite.org/dog-bite-statistics-study-dog-attacks-and-maimings-merritt-clifton.php

Study highlights
The combination of large breeds, including pit bulls, rottweilers, presa canarios, cane corsos, mastiffs, dogo argentinos, fila brasieros, and their mixes:

79% of attacks that induce bodily harm
72% of attacks to children
85% of attack to adults
69% of attacks that result in fatalities
77% that result in maiming

Discussion notes:

Even if the pit bull category was "split four ways," attacks by pit bulls and their closest relatives would still outnumber attacks by any other breed.
Pit bulls are noteworthy for attacking adults almost as frequently as children. This is a very rare pattern, only seen elsewhere in the bullmastiff/presa canario line.
If a pit bull or rottweiler has a bad moment, instead of being bitten, often someone is maimed or killed; that has now created off-the-chart actuarial risk.

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RE: The current canine bad guy. - 2/14/2013 5:07:30 AM

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Uh, this isn't my post, except the prelim commentary, its word for word pasted form the article, a 30 year across the board study on these breeds in the US and Canada. I take it you didn't bother to read it?

Spin what? I work in a shelter, I'm vegan, and am an avid AR activist, and the last thing I would do is spin something as tragic as this. What pisses me off is seeing more and more of these dogs brought in to be dumped because they ARE violent and aggressive and reckless owners and irresponsible breeders do nothing to help at all. Maybe that should be addressed rather than attacking facts?

ETA: You are just being a dick, what does 'saving the children' have to do with anything and where did I mention children? I don't have any and I don't even like them particularly. Has to be a reason why you are so defensive right out of the gate on this.... kind of transparent...

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RE: The current canine bad guy. - 2/14/2013 5:25:14 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Kirata

I don't mean to cast unfair aspersions, but every time I've seen a story like this one the dogs were pit bulls. And I've had a couple of personal experiences that didn't change my opinion. So while I don't mean to contradict anything anyone has said, I'm not convinced.

K.

You should keep in mind that many times reporters blaim pits for any dog attack.

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RE: The current canine bad guy. - 2/14/2013 6:45:39 AM

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Did you pay attention to the "source" for their data? It's very telling, since it is only from media reports, which isn't exactly what I would call reliable.

My cousin has had pits for years, and they weren't violent and never "turned," as people are so quick to say.

Do you know why drug dealers choose them, other than assumptions? Do you realize why these people are turning them in? Why they are claiming the dogs have become violent.

Volunteering in a shelter, and fostering dogs is wonderful, but it far from makes one an expert on any type of breed.

Point in fact is that more small dogs attack people than anyone ever hears about. Hospitals don't report it. I'm not saying you should foster the dogs, because you absolutely shouldn't. One needs to know how to handle certain types of dogs, and if you don't you shouldn't foster them. Not all dogs respond to the same type of training.

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RE: The current canine bad guy. - 2/14/2013 8:25:04 AM

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I can remember the news media "hyping" various dog breeds as dangerous over the decades, at one time, it was German shepherds, then there were Mastiffs, Chows, all bulldogs, and wolf hybrids.

In fact Breed specific laws target the following in the US.

1. AIREDALE TERRIER

2. AKBASH

3. AKITA

4. ALAPAHA BLUE BLOOD BULLDOG

5. ALASKAN MALAMUTE

6. ALSATIAN SHEPHERD

7. AMERICAN BULLDOG

8. AMERICAN HUSKY

9. AMERICAN PIT BULL TERRIER

10. AMERICAN STAFFORDSHIRE TERRIER

11. AMERICAN WOLFDOG

12. ANATOLIAN SHEPHERD

13. ARIKARA DOG

14. AUSTRALIAN CATTLE DOG

15. AUSTRALIAN SHEPHERD

16. BELGIAN MALINOIS

17. BELGIAN SHEEPDOG

18. BELGIAN TURVUREN

19. BLUE HEELER

20. BOERBOL

21. BORZOI

22. BOSTON TERRIER

23. BOUVIER DES FLANDRES

24. BOXER

25. BULLDOG

26. BULL TERRIER

27. BULL MASTIFF

28. CANE CORSO

29. CATAHOULA LEOPARD DOG

30. CAUCASIAN SHEPHERD

31. CHINESE SHAR PEI

32. CHOW-CHOW

33. COLORADO DOG

34. DOBERMAN PINSCHER

35. DOGO DE ARGENTINO

36. DOGUE DE BORDEAUX

37. ENGLISH MASTIFFS

38. ENGLISH SPRINGER SPANIEL

39. ESKIMO DOG

40. ESTRELA MOUNTAIN DOG

41. FILA BRASILIERO

42. FOX TERRIER

43. FRENCH BULLDOG

44. GERMAN SHEPHERD DOG

45. GOLDEN RETRIEVER

46. GREENLAND HUSKY

47. GREAT DANE

48. GREAT PYRANEES

49. ITALIAN MASTIFF

50. KANGAL DOG

51. KEESHOND

52. KOMONDOR

53. KOTEZEBUE HUSKY

54. KUVAZ

55. LABRADOR RETRIEVER

56. LEONBERGER

57. MASTIFF

58. NEOPOLITAN MASTIFF

59. NEWFOUNDLAND

60. OTTERHOUND

61. PRESA DE CANARIO

62. PRESA DE MALLORQUIN

63. PUG

64. ROTTWEILER

65. SAARLOOS WOLFHOND

66. SAINT BERNARD

67. SAMOYED

68. SCOTTISH DEERHOUND

69. SIBERIAN HUSKY

70. SPANISH MASTIFF

71. STAFFORDSHIRE BULL TERRIER

72. TIMBER SHEPHERD

73. TOSA INU

74. TUNDRA SHEPHERD

75. WOLF SPITZ

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RE: The current canine bad guy. - 2/14/2013 9:30:41 AM

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I am sure dogs like chihuahuas and jack Russell terriers attack people or other dogs far more often than pit bulls do.
I hope to god that if my dogs get attacked by another dog, that the attacking dog is a vicious chihuahua or jack russell. That way, I will stand a fucking chance of successfully saving my dog. Just in case the attacking dog IS one of those ever-so-rare aggressive pit bulls, I carry a 5 pound solid iron hammer with a sharp pointed end.
Just in case.

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