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RE: Gun play in bdsm? - 3/14/2013 10:20:54 PM

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True, just like both my Sigs and .357

That's OK, she must have known what she was doing because she said so. She said she knows lots about firearms.

I guess.

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RE: Gun play in bdsm? - 3/15/2013 1:56:14 AM

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Actually I did not say I know a lot about them,I said I know people that make and sell them. I do know there was a block (safety)trigger on that gun. A little cup that sits behind the trigger and has to be removed by pushing a pin to "unlock" it. But, hey if it makes you feel good you say whatever you want to about what I did and did not say. If you want to talk people out of playing with guns...more power to you.

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RE: Gun play in bdsm? - 3/15/2013 3:24:50 AM

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Honest to goodness, I don't know enough about guns to make a judgement call on them. I don't know enough to decide, for myself, whether or not I think gun play can be responsible. But I do wish to comment on this little tidbit...

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Lots of people are saying, "I would never engage in gun play, and here's why." You're repeatedly saying, "Anyone who engages in gun play knows nothing about guns, and is a general dumbshit."

I'm not trying to be a dick, Red, but I think this is a little more than unfair. It's very possible to disagree with someone's choices or habits---even to condemn them as idiotic---and not think of said person as a "general dumbshit."

I don't think you are a dick. I agree with your statement.

There's a big difference between making a judgement like, "That's unwise," or even, "You should go to jail for that," and stating things that are factually incorrect. njlauren's comments crossed that line. (The people I personally know who have engaged in gunplay are intelligent, and grew up around guns. Not people who never had any gun training as children.) It's easy for that to happen when one analyses a situation from personal triggers instead of looking outward to try to understand the lives and psychology of other people.

Here's an unrelated example that is a good illustration of how easy it is to be factually wrong. Everybody who has read crime novels or watched crime shows "knows" that serial killers tend to be connected to the "triad" of bedwetting, animal abuse, and setting fires. The only problem is that it isn't true. There's no such scientific relation.

Wouldn't you rather hear from people who engage in gunplay what makes them do it, and what their personal histories are, instead of hearing from people who would never engage in gun play but who are happy to proclaim what all gun players must be like? I would. That's because I prefer science over circlejerk.

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RE: Gun play in bdsm? - 3/15/2013 6:02:53 AM

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There's a big difference between making a judgement like, "That's unwise," or even, "You should go to jail for that," and stating things that are factually incorrect.

That's a good point. Thanks for the clarification. I definitely agree with that.

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RE: Gun play in bdsm? - 3/15/2013 6:33:34 AM

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Every guy I've met whom I judge to know enough about guns to actually risk this type of play with refuses on grounds that it'd be too dangerous, and every guy that has thought it a splendid idea and was all over trying it, I didn't consider knowledgable enough around guns to risk it.

Maybe it's just me but I've considered "gun play" with Carol (although the term 'play' here is not exactly right). In my own thoughts, perhaps unwisely, it occurred to me that I could go to a professional gunsmith and ask him to make a certain gun unable to fire... period... via multiple means. I can't hardly believe that it's impossible to do so. For instance, it seems that filling all the places bullets go or pass through would make it really hard to fire cause.. you know... you couldn't put a bullet in it and if you managed that you could get the bullet in the chamber and if you managed that you couldn't.....

Honestly, a gun is a precision piece of machinery. Rendering it inert just plain doesn't seem that hard. You know what seems damned near impossible to me? A knife.

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RE: Gun play in bdsm? - 3/15/2013 6:48:50 AM

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A real gun would be pretty expensive to do that with. But I guess you can spend a pretty penny on a really good prop gun, too.

http://www.airgundepot.com/blank-firing-replica-guns-8mm.html

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RE: Gun play in bdsm? - 3/15/2013 7:01:14 AM

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A real gun would be pretty expensive to do that with. But I guess you can spend a pretty penny on a really good prop gun, too.

http://www.airgundepot.com/blank-firing-replica-guns-8mm.html

*nods* I didn't get serious enough about this to figure out how realistic a prop gun can be. But I was pretty damned sure that a gunsmith could render a gun inert for the right price tag. By the way, I would be HIGHLY mistrustful of ANY sort of firing so I'd need to know a shit-ton more about what "blank firing" means on those links. But if it can make a BANG noise then it is the exact opposite of inert.

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RE: Gun play in bdsm? - 3/15/2013 7:05:50 AM

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Yeah, not totally dead, they just have a plugged barrel so, theoretically, nothing can come out of them. (And they don't fire live rounds, and usually can't be loaded with anything live)
I would think it wouldn't be too hard to make a regular gun unfireable; probably just removing some internal mechanisms? While I was looking for links, I did see a few forum discussions about requests do to exactly that. =p So it's not unheard of or impossible.

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RE: Gun play in bdsm? - 3/15/2013 7:14:35 AM

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Yeah, not totally dead, they just have a plugged barrel so, theoretically, nothing can come out of them. (And they don't fire live rounds, and usually can't be loaded with anything live)
I would think it wouldn't be too hard to make a regular gun unfireable; probably just removing some internal mechanisms? While I was looking for links, I did see a few forum discussions about requests do to exactly that. =p So it's not unheard of or impossible.

OK, I'm not really wanting to argue with you so don't take this the wrong way. I'm mostly saying this so that my own opinion is crystal clear.

When I say "inert" I mean "inert". Think... "piece of gun-shaped metal". If you can put a bullet in it then I assume there IS a bullet in it which means it's not inert. Now it's a piece of metal with a high explosive in it. Removing a few pieces of mechanism wouldn't even being to cut it for me. When I thought this through in my head there would be ... quite literally ... ZERO chance of the thing firing and/or exploding in some other way.

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RE: Gun play in bdsm? - 3/15/2013 7:16:18 AM

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No, i get what you're saying, which is why i said "not totally dead" and changed the topic. =p a prop gun like those on that website is not what you're looking for. I had posted that link as cost comparison - prop guns and real guns aren't always far off in price, depending on where you get them.
so it's perfectly reasonable to have a regular one modified to be inert.

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RE: Gun play in bdsm? - 3/15/2013 7:18:38 AM

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Wouldn't you rather hear from people who engage in gunplay what makes them do it, and what their personal histories are, instead of hearing from people who would never engage in gun play but who are happy to proclaim what all gun players must be like?

Red, the reaction you have seen to some of my posts on this thread is why many of us don't talk about it.

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RE: Gun play in bdsm? - 3/15/2013 7:26:20 AM

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Honestly, a gun is a precision piece of machinery. Rendering it inert just plain doesn't seem that hard. You know what seems damned near impossible to me? A knife.

Knives, needles, razors,fire, water. None of these things can be rendered harmless. "Safer" yes (maybe) but harmless no. I have before tried to bring up things like knife, fire, and breath play on the forums and each time have been pretty much textually beat to death or had the threads pulled. The people argueing in this thread that gun play should never be done are argueing because they would never do it. That has, most often, been the case in the threads with other "edge" topics as well.

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RE: Gun play in bdsm? - 3/15/2013 7:42:59 AM

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Yeah, that's why these boards are considered vanilla as fuck. I still like them, obviously, but topics like scat, finsub, most things "edge," summon forth people who would rather be right than curious.

By far the most interesting posts on this thread were by you and MariaB. I learned something from this thread, from each of you.

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RE: Gun play in bdsm? - 3/15/2013 8:24:35 AM

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Yeah, that's why these boards are considered vanilla as fuck.

I have to admit that even to my admittedly [mostly] vanilla sensibilities they look that way.

@MissImmortalPain
I agree. My point was simply to say that I'd worry about a knife a lot more than a gun simply because the shape of a gun isn't inherently dangerous. In the end, though, "life" is inherently dangerous. I can think of a fair number of things I've done in my vanilla life that were quite a bit more dangerous than almost all BDSM play.

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RE: Gun play in bdsm? - 3/15/2013 12:33:50 PM

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Agreed. I havent done much gun play, not because its edge but because I have to go to so many lengths to make it safe that the sub is aware and the mindfuck ruined.
Sharp and Blunt Knives however I use a lot just not for cutting.

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RE: Gun play in bdsm? - 3/15/2013 1:50:08 PM

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Honestly, a gun is a precision piece of machinery. Rendering it inert just plain doesn't seem that hard.

An inert gun wouldn't render the type of play I'm interested in when it comes to guns.

It is all after fear play which is the goal (at least for me).

You wouldn't get me to fear that you where intending to shoot me Jeff, and I doubt you could get Carol to feel that fear either. Hell, I wouldn't be try to do gunplay with somebody who I'd think might actually want to shoot me.

So what the fear is centered around is the gun itself... even if you don't want to shoot me, guns are dangerous right... so maybe, by accident... it could...

Except that to do that, you need to convince me the gun is real. And that's going to be really fucking hard to do with an inert gun... especially seeing that I'm already going to suspect you made the gun inert somehow, and I'm already going to suspect you're going to try to swap it if there's a real gun involved at some point.

Which is exactly why I've never played with guns before, I'm not really interested in pretend play when it comes to this one.

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RE: Gun play in bdsm? - 3/15/2013 2:54:25 PM

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UllrsIshtar I get what your saying. If Steve pulled out a gun on me I would laugh and probably wrap my mouth round the barrel.

I think the more you get to know, love and trust a person, the harder it is to make them seriously fear for their lives. Its far easier on some unsuspecting sub who doesn't know you overly well. It of course has to be a submissive who says, 'I don't think you could really frighten me'. That invitation is the one thing that makes my mind go into overdrive!

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RE: Gun play in bdsm? - 3/15/2013 2:57:10 PM

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Thanks Red, I just read your comment.

To be honest I would be incredibly careful about owning up to some of my dominant escapades on this site. I enjoy the site but I do find it much more a slave/Master type place than a full on BDSM site.

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RE: Gun play in bdsm? - 3/15/2013 5:35:42 PM

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It is all after fear play which is the goal (at least for me).

For me it just would've been a testing of an edge condition on her willingness to trust/obey. But for the exact reasons you and Maria both mentioned I quickly deduced it wasn't much of a test. It's just too wildly implausible for her to believe that I'd want her dead.

I was mostly commenting on the notion that only idiots would even contemplate this. Yeah, it's possible to render a gun safe -- truly safe.

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RE: Gun play in bdsm? - 3/15/2013 6:33:40 PM

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Meh...Master and I have done extreme stuff that I won't mention here because if I did I could only imagine the comments that would be said here. That's why most people who do what we do never talk on here. They don't have any interest in everyone telling them they are batshit and crazy and should be shot with that same gun.

It's one of the reasons why I don't really post as seriously on here as I used to.

Why bother when you already know the outcome?

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