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ORIGINAL: JeffBC
For me it just would've been a testing of an edge condition on her willingness to trust/obey. But for the exact reasons you and Maria both mentioned I quickly deduced it wasn't much of a test. It's just too wildly implausible for her to believe that I'd want her dead.

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ORIGINAL: ResidentSadist

^ Even FetLife is 50 Shades of Slap & Tickle though. The internet has been bombarded by moral majorities and horny housewives looking for safe & sane. Beyond leather and the hotel it is in are sold out this year. I was gonna make a T-shirt that said "If you read 50 Shades of Grey, don't talk to me".

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ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar

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ORIGINAL: JeffBC
For me it just would've been a testing of an edge condition on her willingness to trust/obey. But for the exact reasons you and Maria both mentioned I quickly deduced it wasn't much of a test. It's just too wildly implausible for her to believe that I'd want her dead.

Exactly.
After the online conversations you and I have had, combined with your posts, it would take very little offline interaction with you (to test for consistency) for me to laugh in your face if you'd attempt to go the "I'm going to kill you cause I'm crazy" route in a play scenario. It just wouldn't be plausible.

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ORIGINAL: LillyBoPeep

I have to agree with that; in the few conversations i've had in the past with Jeff, I don't see that being terribly realistic either. He always seems so rational and even-keeled, and consistent.

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ORIGINAL: njlauren

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ORIGINAL: MalcolmNathaniel

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ORIGINAL: Duskypearls
True, just like both my Sigs and .357

That's OK, she must have known what she was doing because she said so. She said she knows lots about firearms.

Ya got me on that one, I didn't know that about the Glock either, I thought it had an external safety, ya learn something every day (and now you know why I don't keep guns, I probably would end up shooting myself *lol*).

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ORIGINAL: JeffBC

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ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar
Every guy I've met whom I judge to know enough about guns to actually risk this type of play with refuses on grounds that it'd be too dangerous, and every guy that has thought it a splendid idea and was all over trying it, I didn't consider knowledgable enough around guns to risk it.

Maybe it's just me but I've considered "gun play" with Carol (although the term 'play' here is not exactly right). In my own thoughts, perhaps unwisely, it occurred to me that I could go to a professional gunsmith and ask him to make a certain gun unable to fire... period... via multiple means. I can't hardly believe that it's impossible to do so. For instance, it seems that filling all the places bullets go or pass through would make it really hard to fire cause.. you know... you couldn't put a bullet in it and if you managed that you could get the bullet in the chamber and if you managed that you couldn't.....

Honestly, a gun is a precision piece of machinery. Rendering it inert just plain doesn't seem that hard. You know what seems damned near impossible to me? A knife.

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ORIGINAL: MalcolmNathaniel

I consider it one of the negatives as well. I specifically chose my carry pistol (Springfield Arms XD-9 sub-compact) because there is another external safety.

However that safety is a grip safety. It means that by merely holding the pistol properly the safety is disengaged. Put you finger on the trigger and BOTH safeties are disengaged. You don't want that pointed at you.

Oh and *brag mode engaged* two weeks ago I go Crimson Trace Lasergrips for it. SWEET!

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ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar

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ORIGINAL: LillyBoPeep
I have to agree with that; in the few conversations i've had in the past with Jeff, I don't see that being terribly realistic either. He always seems so rational and even-keeled, and consistent.

See Jeff, you're a vanilla softy again, instead of this dangerous, edgy person.

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ORIGINAL: poise

RED!!!!
Licking of the face is a hard limit!

*bang bang*

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ORIGINAL: RedMagic1

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ORIGINAL: HisPet21

Honest to goodness, I don't know enough about guns to make a judgement call on them. I don't know enough to decide, for myself, whether or not I think gun play can be responsible. But I do wish to comment on this little tidbit...

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Lots of people are saying, "I would never engage in gun play, and here's why." You're repeatedly saying, "Anyone who engages in gun play knows nothing about guns, and is a general dumbshit."

I'm not trying to be a dick, Red, but I think this is a little more than unfair. It's very possible to disagree with someone's choices or habits---even to condemn them as idiotic---and not think of said person as a "general dumbshit."

I don't think you are a dick. I agree with your statement.

There's a big difference between making a judgement like, "That's unwise," or even, "You should go to jail for that," and stating things that are factually incorrect. njlauren's comments crossed that line. (The people I personally know who have engaged in gunplay are intelligent, and grew up around guns. Not people who never had any gun training as children.) It's easy for that to happen when one analyses a situation from personal triggers instead of looking outward to try to understand the lives and psychology of other people.

Here's an unrelated example that is a good illustration of how easy it is to be factually wrong. Everybody who has read crime novels or watched crime shows "knows" that serial killers tend to be connected to the "triad" of bedwetting, animal abuse, and setting fires. The only problem is that it isn't true. There's no such scientific relation.

Wouldn't you rather hear from people who engage in gunplay what makes them do it, and what their personal histories are, instead of hearing from people who would never engage in gun play but who are happy to proclaim what all gun players must be like? I would. That's because I prefer science over circlejerk.

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ORIGINAL: poise

RED!!!!
Licking of the face is a hard limit!

*bang bang*

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ORIGINAL: poise

RED!!!!
Licking of the face is a hard limit!

*bang bang*

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ORIGINAL: ResidentSadist

I was gonna make a T-shirt that said "If you read 50 Shades of Grey, don't talk to me".

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ORIGINAL: MalcolmNathaniel

I'm left handed. Very, very, left handed. I was looking for a sub-compact in 9mm. My options were a Glock, an M&P 9 or or an XD. I searched 2 different states for an M&P 9 with the thumb safety. It was $100 more - but you could only find it with the thumb safety in .40.

I'm kind of glad. I'm plenty happy with that little pistol. Finding a left handed holster was a bit of a bitch though.

The specs on the Taurus Millenium seem pretty good - but I've got one extra round. :-)

When I come home and put it next to my bed I have the extended magazine. That's 4 extra rounds!

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My thoughts are based on personal experience with guns, and I was talking about something that is quite factual. Take a look at the stats on guns in this country, and a lot of them are accidental shootings, and in more then a few cases, it is caused by complacency, where people have been around guns a long time, and forget what they were taught, what they know. What 'science' do you have that shows I am wrong? I didn't say people doing gun play were untrained, I am saying they are forgetting their training, you talk to an NRA safety instructor and give him/her the scenario you are talking about, and see what they say, and why. I have seen the results of that one careless moment, and yes, I am sensitive to it. The people involved in the incidents I am talking about forgot what they were dealing with, they were complacent, and that is what I worry about with gun edge play, when you turn it into a prop in what is basically an adult form of play, you are taking a step towards complacency, and that is why I say it is foolish.

I didn't say people who did gun edge play were stupid, the most intelligent people do foolish things, even stupid things, I just feel they are taking risks they may not even be aware of.