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RE: Gay Marriage is WRONG - 3/16/2013 2:50:54 PM   
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RE: Gay Marriage is WRONG - 3/16/2013 3:04:08 PM   
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THey dont? really? I know quite a few people who want to get rid of polygamy as a felony, and bigamy as a misdemeanour...gays and straights

Well if you start a movement, you can count on me to back it. I'm tired of the posturings of narrow special-interest groups that seem to embody an "it's not my ox" view of the broader issue involved.

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RE: Gay Marriage is WRONG - 3/16/2013 3:07:20 PM   
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Not sure what was in those papers you saw, but, to believe that Obama is the only administration to have done whatever it was that upset you that much is a bit too much for me to believe.

Oh no certainly not. He's just the guy in the driver's seat right now... and the con-man who's convinced a substantial portion of the public he's the good guy. No, I actually believe this is active collusion between the corporate interests and both parties for quite a few decades now... possibly back to mid 50's in a serious way.


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RE: Gay Marriage is WRONG - 3/16/2013 3:16:25 PM   
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Dress em up in black or white so we can tell them apart.

Wish it were that simple. The last 20 years or so has been all about the lesser of 2 evils when it came to elections. The names have changed, the games have not. And, to be honest, the game wouldnt have changed behind the scenes regardless of who is in the driver's seat.

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RE: Gay Marriage is WRONG - 3/16/2013 3:23:13 PM   
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lol... Obama the "good guy"?

50% of Americans approve of the job he's doing. So yes, almost everyone who voted for him thinks he's doing a good job.

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Wish it were that simple. The last 20 years or so has been all about the lesser of 2 evils when it came to elections. The names have changed, the games have not. And, to be honest, the game wouldnt have changed behind the scenes regardless of who is in the driver's seat.

I voted Green last year. There were non-evil choices available. People just prefer the evil ones.

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RE: Gay Marriage is WRONG - 3/16/2013 3:29:38 PM   
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50% of Americans approve of the job he's doing. So yes, almost everyone who voted for him thinks he's doing a good job.


I think he is doing a "good job" That doesnt mean I dont think it couldnt be done better. I just feel he could be doing a hell of a lot worse, especially in comparison with the GOP opposition.

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RE: Gay Marriage is WRONG - 3/16/2013 3:34:31 PM   
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See, there's my beef in a nutshell. If gays (or fucking anybody) took the position that people should have a right to form whatever kind of life-union they want, be it straight, gay, polygamous, or polyandrous, without interference from some meddling nanny government, I would support them 100%. But that's not what gay marriage is about.

The push for gay marriage stakes out a position that is every bit as selfish and self-interested as the opposition, and I have no time for either of them. Granted, gays don't want to make hetero marriage illegal. But they don't seem to have a quibble with laws that push poly unions under the bus. So I fail to see any moral high ground there.

You raise a good point, Kirata. I think every movement for social change has had to wrestle with the question of focus. Do you target a specific change to seek--school desegregation, votes for women, same-sex marriage, what have you--even if that means other folks' issues go unaddressed? Was it "selfish" of the Civil Rights movement to focus on the plight of African Americans without addressing, say, the poverty and suffering of Native Americans? Or should we be fighting the broadest fights possible? And to what extent to do you factor in the hard realities of "the art of the possible"? The gay community wrestles with that in terms of ENDA. Do you strive to pass what you can get, even if that means leaving out "gender identity"? Or do you wait till you can get the whole loaf? I'm not sure what the answers are, to be honest.

In terms of poly unions, I can't help noting that folks have had ages to voice their concern about the injustice of mono-only matrimony. But I honestly don't recall hearing anyone do so until gay marriage became a possibility.



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RE: Gay Marriage is WRONG - 3/16/2013 3:41:44 PM   
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I think he is doing a "good job" That doesnt mean I dont think it couldnt be done better. I just feel he could be doing a hell of a lot worse, especially in comparison with the GOP opposition.

*nods* And that is exactly what freaks me out. I know you don't agree but remember that in my ears you are saying, "Sure he tossed out the bill of rights and he's a fascist working aggressively towards a totalitarian police state but hey, it could have been worse."

I understand that it could have been worse. Although I have to admit that it was so mind-bogglingly hard to be worse that I almost have to believe the two parties are in collusion for that fact alone. But the fact that it could have been worse doesn't even remotely excuse "fascist totalitarian police state".

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RE: Gay Marriage is WRONG - 3/16/2013 3:51:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		Certainly seems they are in cahoots, doesnt it. Kerry should have won... yet.... Hillary should have gotten the nod.... but.... McCain should have won.... but....

And then they can sit there like children bickering back and forth about who is at fault for what. None taking full responsibility, no one even seeing the blame game both sides are playing.

Then, every once in a while, you see the cards being slipped back and forth. The current one, the denial by the GOP leaders to allow the ACA defunding come up for vote again.

If you sit back and watch, the game is fascinating. Just enough to keep the majority on the edge of their seats.

National health care is coming.

Gay marriage is already a done deal.

"Religious freedom" is about to get spanked.

Pot will soon be federally legalized.

Why? These things have very little to do with the actual running of the government, beyond health care. And health care is a bone politicians decided to throw to the masses to keep them occupied while they play their back room poker games.

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RE: Gay Marriage is WRONG - 3/16/2013 4:22:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		Not really...notice how as people age beyond the "save the world kiddy stage" their true feelings emerge. I think this trend will continue in the future.

Remember the 65 age now was the free love stage of yesteryear. My generation change and so will the 18-29 year generation..It is just human nature...at least in my opinion as an old free love hippy.

Butch

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RE: Gay Marriage is WRONG - 3/16/2013 4:34:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		I dont agree. I am about to hit that 50 - 64 age group. For you to be correct 7% of my age group would have to change their minds and believe its not acceptable. I dont see that happening. And polls were not big in the hippy loving days. It could have been that when you were in the 18+ group, the above 65 group was 90% against it.

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RE: Gay Marriage is WRONG - 3/16/2013 4:37:15 PM   
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I dont agree. I am about to hit that 50 - 64 age group. For you to be correct 7% of my age group would have to change their minds and believe its not acceptable.

Actually, over time more and more people in all age brackets are in favor of same sex marriage. So I think it's sort of the reverse of what Butch is suggesting. It seems to me that if support is growing in all age brackets and the most resistant age brackets are the oldest ones (first to go) then in the absence of substantive change there's only one possible outcome.

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RE: Gay Marriage is WRONG - 3/16/2013 4:38:34 PM   
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RE: Gay Marriage is WRONG - 3/16/2013 5:23:23 PM   
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Just for the record. Inspirational.

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RE: Gay Marriage is WRONG - 3/16/2013 5:46:42 PM   
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Just for the record. Inspirational.

What do you think I fought for on Omaha Beach?

K.


Wow. I actually teared up, which is really rare.

Thanks so much for sharing that!

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RE: Gay Marriage is WRONG - 3/16/2013 5:49:52 PM   
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50% of Americans approve of the job he's doing. So yes, almost everyone who voted for him thinks he's doing a good job.


I think he is doing a "good job" That doesnt mean I dont think it couldnt be done better. I just feel he could be doing a hell of a lot worse, especially in comparison with the GOP opposition.

Therein lies the rub tazzy,in that he is not President in a vacuum,there is that pesky opposition to contend with .
So when someone says he could be doing better,I ask "How" ?

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RE: Gay Marriage is WRONG - 3/16/2013 5:50:52 PM   
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Needs to be said again....and again....and again
Thanks for posting it(and re-posting it....lol) and sharing it with us

Thank you, Mike.

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RE: Gay Marriage is WRONG - 3/16/2013 5:57:56 PM   
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Not really...notice how as people age beyond the "save the world kiddy stage" their true feelings emerge. I think this trend will continue in the future.

Remember the 65 age now was the free love stage of yesteryear. My generation change and so will the 18-29 year generation..It is just human nature...at least in my opinion as an old free love hippy.

Butch

Didn't Churchill say something along these lines
I can paraphrase it(thereby not doing Churchill justice....lol)but I can't quote it right now(juggling too many balls)
Someone else will come along and pickup the ball(hi Tazzy....lol)

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RE: Gay Marriage is WRONG - 3/16/2013 6:07:49 PM   
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I do think blokes with beards should be able to get married, too, should they ever come across women who find their beards attractive. It may be strange and disturbing to the rest of us, but I don't think it's inherently unnatural or evil.

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RE: Gay Marriage is WRONG - 3/16/2013 6:12:33 PM   
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Just for the record. Inspirational.

What do you think I fought for on Omaha Beach?

K.


Wow. I actually teared up, which is really rare.

Thanks so much for sharing that!

As did I.....

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