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RE: Muslim thugs - 3/23/2013 8:33:53 PM

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All three of the Abrahamic religions relegate women to an inferior status.

Bullshit. You want to discuss it with my female rabbi, go ahead, because I'm not going to ask her something that stupid. Or the female pararabbinic fellow at my congregation, or the female cantor.

Are women not segregated in orthodox services? Perhaps I have it wrong. Let me hear.

You're correct. Orthodox services are gender segregated. That said, there aren't that many. There are more Conservative congregations and far more Reform congregations than Orthodox.

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RE: Muslim thugs - 3/23/2013 8:42:54 PM

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But when governments are run as Islamists, they invariably become cruel and have no regard for their citizenry.

I find it ironic that someone living in America would say such a thing. Help me to understand. Do you believe America is run by Islamists or do you not believe our government isn't cruel and has no regard for it's citizenry (or at least segments of it's citizenry)?

And honestly, let's not single out Islam as the root of all evil. We could probably talk about the Roman Catholic church and institutionalized pedophilia. Honestly, I find that even more horrific.

Insofar as travelling to ANY Muslim country, I can't imagine willingly bringing Carol to any legal jurisdiction where such things were possible. I just don't think I have the legal knowledge or financial capability to protect her so it's be entirely irresponsible of me. So no worries there. The Maldives (or any other muslim country) isn't going to be getting my tourism dollars.

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RE: Muslim thugs - 3/23/2013 8:55:48 PM

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Until enlightened Muslims stand up, stop, and condemn unequivocally the barbaric behavior of many in their religion they are all guilty on my view.

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RE: Muslim thugs - 3/23/2013 9:05:03 PM

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People do 'such things' (rape, murder, torture) because they can, plain and simple. It is an innate primate trait. As individuals and societies develop, they are supposed to encounter boundaries which, when respected, moderate the more primal traits.

The corruption of power isn't a suggestion, it is an *axiom*, and in no wise dependent on race, religion, etc. It works against moderating the worst in the human race.

The more the power imbalance is mitigated, the less prevalent such things become, although power (like water) has a way of finding its level in new places.

Where the power imbalance remains significant, the malevolent actors will wrap themselves in whatever cloak is handy, be it patriotism, religion, sports, 'business as usual', war, et al.

It remains extremely irrational to say 'Muslim (or Christian, Buddhist, Hindu) thugs', when it is the thuggery that does the damage.

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But when governments are run as Islamists, they invariably become cruel and have no regard for their citizenry.

I find it ironic that someone living in America would say such a thing. Help me to understand. Do you believe America is run by Islamists or do you not believe our government isn't cruel and has no regard for it's citizenry (or at least segments of it's citizenry)?

And honestly, let's not single out Islam as the root of all evil. We could probably talk about the Roman Catholic church and institutionalized pedophilia. Honestly, I find that even more horrific.

Insofar as travelling to ANY Muslim country, I can't imagine willingly bringing Carol to any legal jurisdiction where such things were possible. I just don't think I have the legal knowledge or financial capability to protect her so it's be entirely irresponsible of me. So no worries there. The Maldives (or any other muslim country) isn't going to be getting my tourism dollars.

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RE: Muslim thugs - 3/23/2013 9:22:34 PM

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It remains extremely irrational to say 'Muslim (or Christian, Buddhist, Hindu) thugs', when it is the thuggery that does the damage.

great post

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RE: Muslim thugs - 3/23/2013 9:48:59 PM

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It remains extremely irrational to say 'Muslim (or Christian, Buddhist, Hindu) thugs', when it is the thuggery that does the damage.

& that thuggery comes from where? some part of their identity like a cultural inclination or just innate culturally unspecific human assholism?

seems to me tha question is about individual mobility vs cultural inclinations. there are thugs everywhere but are there more thugs of a special type in some places? if so the "why" is a fair ask.

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RE: Muslim thugs - 3/23/2013 9:58:57 PM

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not a response

The girl is not being flogged for being raped. During the "Investigation" it was determined she gave had sex prior to the rape. Not with rapist and she isn't married. She is being flogged for that adultery. Still an outrage but lets be outraged over the right thing.

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RE: Muslim thugs - 3/23/2013 10:02:26 PM

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Primate assholery
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2648534/
Chimpanzees that were taught the concept of labor and money started beating up smaller chimps and taking their 'money' (tokens that could be exchanged for food, water, and treats) that were earned by 'work' - moving a heavy lever a specific number of times...

http://www.academia.edu/527967/Sexual_conflict_in_primates
Selecting females for sexual use according to the male power structure within the group.

And all without the benefit of scripture...

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It remains extremely irrational to say 'Muslim (or Christian, Buddhist, Hindu) thugs', when it is the thuggery that does the damage.

& that thuggery comes from where? some part of their identity like a cultural inclination or just innate culturally unspecific human assholism?

seems to me tha question is about individual mobility vs cultural inclinations. there are thugs everywhere but are there more thugs of a special type in some places? if so the "why" is a fair ask.

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RE: Muslim thugs - 3/23/2013 10:06:18 PM

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Primate assholery

Without having looked up research that was my intuitive assumption.

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RE: Muslim thugs - 3/23/2013 10:14:55 PM

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Primate assholery
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2648534/
Chimpanzees that were taught the concept of labor and money started beating up smaller chimps and taking their 'money' (tokens that could be exchanged for food, water, and treats) that were earned by 'work' - moving a heavy lever a specific number of times...

http://www.academia.edu/527967/Sexual_conflict_in_primates
Selecting females for sexual use according to the male power structure within the group.

And all without the benefit of scripture...

so if it is all just innate primate behaviour how do ya explain variations in tha welfare of women in the ME compared to europe?

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RE: Muslim thugs - 3/23/2013 10:29:08 PM

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Show me any self-described "religious" person, and I'll show you someone who has cherry picked their beliefs from whatever holy text they claim to believe in.

People who are religious believe in some concept of the Divine or God, not in a book. Approaching their texts in the way you describe constitutes exercising discernment. When done by people who believe first and foremost in a particular book, then it's called hypocricy. And failure to distinguish between the two is called something else.

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RE: Muslim thugs - 3/23/2013 10:40:29 PM

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As I said, boundaries have to develop. That doesn't happen evenly, there are lots of forces working against it.
The culture and politics of the ME (as well as Indonesia and other places around the world) act to maintain the gender power imbalance at levels that were common in the middle ages in Europe. Even the most sophisticated areas (Saudi, Dubai, Singapore), are only a generation or two removed from satrapy.

I've said this before, and I still highly recommend that folks read Inside the Kingdom by Carmen Bin Laden.

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so if it is all just innate primate behaviour how do ya explain variations in tha welfare of women in the ME compared to europe?

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RE: Muslim thugs - 3/23/2013 10:48:57 PM

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As I said, boundaries have to develop. That doesn't happen evenly, there are lots of forces working against it.
The culture and politics of the ME (as well as Indonesia and other places around the world) act to maintain the gender power imbalance at levels that were common in the middle ages in Europe. Even the most sophisticated areas (Saudi, Dubai, Singapore), are only a generation or two removed from satrapy.

I've said this before, and I still highly recommend that folks read Inside the Kingdom by Carmen Bin Laden.

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so if it is all just innate primate behaviour how do ya explain variations in tha welfare of women in the ME compared to europe?

a generation or 2 from tha pre islamic empires? can b argued tha ME regressed regarding gender imbalance. just look at who mohammad married before and in tha islamic era.

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RE: Muslim thugs - 3/23/2013 11:20:24 PM

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Are you deliberately being dense? Singapore isn't Islamic.
Mohammed would have fit right in with the FDLS, or the primitiveBaptists as well

You haven't produced anything factual to support the notion that Islam uniquely causes anything that isn't old news in human history.

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As I said, boundaries have to develop. That doesn't happen evenly, there are lots of forces working against it.
The culture and politics of the ME (as well as Indonesia and other places around the world) act to maintain the gender power imbalance at levels that were common in the middle ages in Europe. Even the most sophisticated areas (Saudi, Dubai, Singapore), are only a generation or two removed from satrapy.

I've said this before, and I still highly recommend that folks read Inside the Kingdom by Carmen Bin Laden.

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so if it is all just innate primate behaviour how do ya explain variations in tha welfare of women in the ME compared to europe?

a generation or 2 from tha pre islamic empires? can b argued tha ME regressed regarding gender imbalance. just look at who mohammad married before and in tha islamic era.

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RE: Muslim thugs - 3/24/2013 6:35:19 AM

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Are you deliberately being dense? Singapore isn't Islamic.

lol where did i say singapore is islamic?

i was talking bout the ME.

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Mohammed would have fit right in with the FDLS, or the primitiveBaptists as well

You haven't produced anything factual to support the notion that Islam uniquely causes anything that isn't old news in human history.

i didnt make claims bout anything unique. in fact i said tha opposite coz i was talking about cultural tendencies where more of x happens in some regions. nice strawman though.

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RE: Muslim thugs - 3/24/2013 6:41:18 AM

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It isn't racist, it's true... tough shit if you can't understand that.

This is one of the goals o the radicals......marginalize any moderates(on both sides) and harden the hate.

They`re succeeding.......at least in part.

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RE: Muslim thugs - 3/24/2013 7:18:13 AM

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They do hate moderation, it leaves no place at the table for them.

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RE: Muslim thugs - 3/24/2013 7:23:13 AM

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If you have some science to disprove anything I said, post a link to it.

If you have something unique about ME culture, that every other culture around the world has never experienced, document it.

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Are you deliberately being dense? Singapore isn't Islamic.

lol where did i say singapore is islamic?

i was talking bout the ME.

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Mohammed would have fit right in with the FDLS, or the primitiveBaptists as well

You haven't produced anything factual to support the notion that Islam uniquely causes anything that isn't old news in human history.

i didnt make claims bout anything unique. in fact i said tha opposite coz i was talking about cultural tendencies where more of x happens in some regions. nice strawman though.

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RE: Muslim thugs - 3/24/2013 7:26:37 AM

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Indeed.

And a great big "fuck off" to anyone posting that we just don't understand their culture, or how much more misery our military has caused over there.

Indeed.

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RE: Muslim thugs - 3/24/2013 7:29:02 AM

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And never CONSIDER going there.

That won't be necessary. They'll be coming here. Their goal is a global Islamic state.

K.

Hope you aren't losing too much sleep worrying about this ?
"Their goal" aside,I seriously doubt "they'll be coming here"

Obviously you've had your head buried in the sand about this.
Your denial aside, they're already here!

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