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RE: It's Just so Scary -- Adam Lanza - 3/29/2013 10:59:15 PM   
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Question: If the only certainty you had of keeping your firearms out of the hands of a mentally unstable family member was to remove them from the house, would you do so?





If they were that unstable, all but one, probably.

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RE: It's Just so Scary -- Adam Lanza - 3/29/2013 11:20:16 PM   
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I was responding to the claim that he had an arsenell. A term used to put thosse of us with more than one gun in a bad light.

Oh, I know that.. but its not just terms like that that put you in a bad light.. its that ya'll worship the dam things.. I was simply pointing out that you dont need an "arsenal" to do a hell of a lot of damage.. people that think they need more than one gun scare the poop outta me..

No we don't worship them. We also do not conced power over us by them. they are tools,no more , no less. For me a too; to among other things, defend myself.
You ever try squill hunting with a 9mm? Or bird hunting with a rifle? Hunt a mose with a shotgun and we notify your next of ken. Your entire post proves only that you know nothing about firearms or the people who own them.

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RE: It's Just so Scary -- Adam Lanza - 3/30/2013 2:48:02 AM   
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Question: If the only certainty you had of keeping your firearms out of the hands of a mentally unstable family member was to remove them from the house, would you do so?





If they were that unstable, all but one, probably.


If the family member was so unstable as to be a threat to themselves or others, I would remove the family member to a freaking institution. Common sense people.


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RE: It's Just so Scary -- Adam Lanza - 3/30/2013 6:46:49 AM   
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No we don't worship them. We also do not conced power over us by them. they are tools,no more , no less. For me a too; to among other things, defend myself.
You ever try squill hunting with a 9mm? Or bird hunting with a rifle? Hunt a mose with a shotgun and we notify your next of ken. Your entire post proves only that you know nothing about firearms or the people who own them.

I never said there werent legit reasons to have a gun and I was referring to people that have a bunch of guns for no real reason or purpose.. few people that have more than one gun ever hunt or use them all for that.. Lanza and his mother didnt, from the reports.. so why the fuck did she have all these guns?

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RE: It's Just so Scary -- Adam Lanza - 3/30/2013 7:33:45 AM   
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ORIGINAL: BamaD
No we don't worship them. We also do not conced power over us by them. they are tools,no more , no less. For me a too; to among other things, defend myself.
You ever try squill hunting with a 9mm? Or bird hunting with a rifle? Hunt a mose with a shotgun and we notify your next of ken. Your entire post proves only that you know nothing about firearms or the people who own them.

I never said there werent legit reasons to have a gun and I was referring to people that have a bunch of guns for no real reason or purpose.. few people that have more than one gun ever hunt or use them all for that.. Lanza and his mother didnt, from the reports.. so why the fuck did she have all these guns?


Because she had the right to. Private property and all that. Simply owning lots of guns doesn't make you a dangerous person, I know this because I've dealt with criminals who never used a gun to harm someone. If the concept of private ownership escapes you then there is no way for us to have any kind of discussion. I don't know why people need more than two dogs but I see people with more than two dogs. I don't know why families need more than two cars but there are those who own more than two cars.

Also hunting is not covered in the Second Amendment, if anything you could better outlaw hunting before private firearm ownership, in a legitimate American government. So you keep asking pointless questions about private ownership, gunnies are used to it, we'll keep ignoring you.

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RE: It's Just so Scary -- Adam Lanza - 3/30/2013 7:43:55 AM   
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Question: If the only certainty you had of keeping your firearms out of the hands of a mentally unstable family member was to remove them from the house, would you do so?




I would remove that person more than likely, from my home, either to an appropriate institution or I'd pay for a one room rental in a house other than mine if an institution wouldn't take them because if they are dangerous in the presence of my firearms they are likely dangerous to me no matter what I do. A five gallon can of gasoline and a match can kill just as a gun can.

Lanza's mom tried to manage him without the tools necessary while having the means to get him help. Here's a concept, if your kid does crazy shit and isn't in college, trade school, or the military, then there's a good chance they are going nowhere with their lives or they are bat shit crazy, so cut the goddamn cords and let them live on their own if you aren't going to try and get them help.

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RE: It's Just so Scary -- Adam Lanza - 3/30/2013 8:43:58 AM   
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ORIGINAL: erieangel

Question: If the only certainty you had of keeping your firearms out of the hands of a mentally unstable family member was to remove them from the house, would you do so?





If they were that unstable, all but one, probably.


If the family member was so unstable as to be a threat to themselves or others, I would remove the family member to a freaking institution. Common sense people.



Nancy was in the process of having Adam commited, it takes alot of paperwork. Adam being 20 years old is by law considered to be an adult. Further, Adam being an adult she would have to go to family court and prove Adam is not able to care for himself, further she would also have convince the judge she can be his conservator or have the judge appoint one, Nance then would have to pay conservator. If you thinking of what is called 5150 there is a need to show the person is unable to care for themselves, or a danger themselves and/or others, that would mean Adam would either have to have a gun to his head at the time of the 5150 or as he did at Sandy Hook. I tried to have someone 5150 due to the fact that they were not able to care for themselves and needed medical treatment, never happened, the person died.

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RE: It's Just so Scary -- Adam Lanza - 3/30/2013 8:56:31 AM   
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No we don't worship them. We also do not conced power over us by them. they are tools,no more , no less. For me a too; to among other things, defend myself.
You ever try squill hunting with a 9mm? Or bird hunting with a rifle? Hunt a mose with a shotgun and we notify your next of ken. Your entire post proves only that you know nothing about firearms or the people who own them.

I never said there werent legit reasons to have a gun and I was referring to people that have a bunch of guns for no real reason or purpose.. few people that have more than one gun ever hunt or use them all for that.. Lanza and his mother didnt, from the reports.. so why the fuck did she have all these guns?


It was reported by family members that Nancy was some kind of Doomsday Surivialist, this appears to be true. Nancy was also attempting to have Adam commited, for what reasons I am not sure, but if Adam was exhibiting violent behavior, Nancy should have not kept the guns out for Adam to take. It is reported that Adam play violent video games and had an interest in mass murders, especially Anders Behring Breivik, however nothing I have read would indicate prior violent behavior by Adam.

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RE: It's Just so Scary -- Adam Lanza - 3/30/2013 10:20:09 AM   
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Status: offline 		Some on this thread think the arsenal was not part of the problem. Such a bias cannot be overcome, but right now it's this fringe bias that controls congress.

A home arsenal can't pass any kind of rational basis test.

Also, you are absolutely right about how difficult it is to commit someone to a psychiatric institution. The standard of proof is damn near impossible under certain circumstances.






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RE: It's Just so Scary -- Adam Lanza - 3/30/2013 10:27:49 AM   
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Some on this thread think the arsenal was not part of the problem. Such a bias cannot be overcome, but right now it's this fringe bias that controls congress.

A home arsenal can't pass any kind of rational basis test.

Also, you are absolutely right about how difficult it is to commit someone to a psychiatric institution. The standard of proof is damn near impossible under certain circumstances.







I could not agree with you more, I also like the cover. There is also some evidence that Nancy bought a rifle for Adam, if she was trying to have him committed, what is she doing buying him a weapon? Does not sound like very wise decision.

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RE: It's Just so Scary -- Adam Lanza - 3/30/2013 12:28:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		I am going to have to back track myself a little, I found out that Nancy did have a gun safe, it was in her bed room where she was killed, opened, now that is really and I mean really stupid. You have a person in your house, you claim they are out of control, violent, you leave guns out and not lock them up when you have the means to? I am not trying to fix blame on Nancy, but you have to admit she was irresponsible.

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RE: It's Just so Scary -- Adam Lanza - 3/30/2013 2:09:27 PM   
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No we don't worship them. We also do not conced power over us by them. they are tools,no more , no less. For me a too; to among other things, defend myself.
You ever try squill hunting with a 9mm? Or bird hunting with a rifle? Hunt a mose with a shotgun and we notify your next of ken. Your entire post proves only that you know nothing about firearms or the people who own them.

I never said there werent legit reasons to have a gun and I was referring to people that have a bunch of guns for no real reason or purpose.. few people that have more than one gun ever hunt or use them all for that.. Lanza and his mother didnt, from the reports.. so why the fuck did she have all these guns?



Yes you said more than one

.. people that think they need more than one gun scare the poop outta me..

For self defence alone the best gun to carry is not the best gun for self defense. A shotgun, two handguns, and a light easy to use rifle. That is not "all those guns" if she had had 40 or so that would be different.
Do you need a car that can go 90?
That isn't legal anywhere and it is dagerous to drive that fast both to you and to others.
Do you want to give upyour car?
Does not wanting to mean you worship your car?
Would you think that anyone who said you did was a crackpot.
Owning firearms is a right.
There is no need to justify exersizing a right.
A car is a previlege you might have to justify that.

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RE: It's Just so Scary -- Adam Lanza - 3/30/2013 2:12:48 PM   
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Some on this thread think the arsenal was not part of the problem. Such a bias cannot be overcome, but right now it's this fringe bias that controls congress.

A home arsenal can't pass any kind of rational basis test.

Also, you are absolutely right about how difficult it is to commit someone to a psychiatric institution. The standard of proof is damn near impossible under certain circumstances.






Define arsenal

one two fifteen hundred?

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RE: It's Just so Scary -- Adam Lanza - 3/30/2013 2:15:04 PM   
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Some on this thread think the arsenal was not part of the problem. Such a bias cannot be overcome, but right now it's this fringe bias that controls congress.

A home arsenal can't pass any kind of rational basis test.

Also, you are absolutely right about how difficult it is to commit someone to a psychiatric institution. The standard of proof is damn near impossible under certain circumstances.






It is a right I don't have to prove I need 100 guns, the government needs to prove I'm going to do something wrong with them beyond offending your sensabilities.

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RE: It's Just so Scary -- Adam Lanza - 3/30/2013 2:17:02 PM   
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No we don't worship them. We also do not conced power over us by them. they are tools,no more , no less. For me a too; to among other things, defend myself.
You ever try squill hunting with a 9mm? Or bird hunting with a rifle? Hunt a mose with a shotgun and we notify your next of ken. Your entire post proves only that you know nothing about firearms or the people who own them.

I never said there werent legit reasons to have a gun and I was referring to people that have a bunch of guns for no real reason or purpose.. few people that have more than one gun ever hunt or use them all for that.. Lanza and his mother didnt, from the reports.. so why the fuck did she have all these guns?


It was reported by family members that Nancy was some kind of Doomsday Surivialist, this appears to be true. Nancy was also attempting to have Adam commited, for what reasons I am not sure, but if Adam was exhibiting violent behavior, Nancy should have not kept the guns out for Adam to take. It is reported that Adam play violent video games and had an interest in mass murders, especially Anders Behring Breivik, however nothing I have read would indicate prior violent behavior by Adam.



Or she could kick him out of her home and change the locks.

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RE: It's Just so Scary -- Adam Lanza - 3/30/2013 2:33:28 PM   
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No we don't worship them. We also do not conced power over us by them. they are tools,no more , no less. For me a too; to among other things, defend myself.
You ever try squill hunting with a 9mm? Or bird hunting with a rifle? Hunt a mose with a shotgun and we notify your next of ken. Your entire post proves only that you know nothing about firearms or the people who own them.

I never said there werent legit reasons to have a gun and I was referring to people that have a bunch of guns for no real reason or purpose.. few people that have more than one gun ever hunt or use them all for that.. Lanza and his mother didnt, from the reports.. so why the fuck did she have all these guns?


It was reported by family members that Nancy was some kind of Doomsday Surivialist, this appears to be true. Nancy was also attempting to have Adam commited, for what reasons I am not sure, but if Adam was exhibiting violent behavior, Nancy should have not kept the guns out for Adam to take. It is reported that Adam play violent video games and had an interest in mass murders, especially Anders Behring Breivik, however nothing I have read would indicate prior violent behavior by Adam.



Or she could kick him out of her home and change the locks.

Exactly

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RE: It's Just so Scary -- Adam Lanza - 3/30/2013 2:44:13 PM   
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Question: If the only certainty you had of keeping your firearms out of the hands of a mentally unstable family member was to remove them from the house, would you do so?



Yes and into a mental institution.


That made me Lol

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RE: It's Just so Scary -- Adam Lanza - 3/30/2013 3:23:13 PM   
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So you keep asking pointless questions about private ownership, gunnies are used to it, we'll keep ignoring you.

When "gunnies" stop shooting and murdering innocent people and children then those questions wont need to be asked..

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RE: It's Just so Scary -- Adam Lanza - 3/30/2013 3:23:20 PM   
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RE: It's Just so Scary -- Adam Lanza - 3/30/2013 3:36:29 PM   
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No we don't worship them. We also do not conced power over us by them. they are tools,no more , no less. For me a too; to among other things, defend myself.
You ever try squill hunting with a 9mm? Or bird hunting with a rifle? Hunt a mose with a shotgun and we notify your next of ken. Your entire post proves only that you know nothing about firearms or the people who own them.

I never said there werent legit reasons to have a gun and I was referring to people that have a bunch of guns for no real reason or purpose.. few people that have more than one gun ever hunt or use them all for that.. Lanza and his mother didnt, from the reports.. so why the fuck did she have all these guns?



Yes you said more than one

.. people that think they need more than one gun scare the poop outta me..

For self defence alone the best gun to carry is not the best gun for self defense. A shotgun, two handguns, and a light easy to use rifle. That is not "all those guns" if she had had 40 or so that would be different.
Do you need a car that can go 90?
That isn't legal anywhere and it is dagerous to drive that fast both to you and to others.
Do you want to give upyour car?
Does not wanting to mean you worship your car?
Would you think that anyone who said you did was a crackpot.
Owning firearms is a right.
There is no need to justify exersizing a right.
A car is a previlege you might have to justify that.

LOL ..you are making an incorrect assumption that I own a vehicle.. I actually don't..

As far as what has been reported, she lived in a small safe idylic town and did not buy the guns for self-defense or for hunting quail or gophers or moose, so those arguements fail.. and she didnt need 40 guns.. 3 of her guns killing 26 people/children in 5 minutes did the job quite efficiently..

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