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RE: Does it bother anyone else the Boston terrorist is 19? - 4/20/2013 12:05:08 PM   
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RE: Does it bother anyone else the Boston terrorist is 19? - 4/20/2013 3:18:48 PM   
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A 19 year old man child held a major american city hostage yesterday
How do we deal with that ?
Hell how do we ,as Americans ,understand that ?


I never have seen or heard of much indication, that our country is really much "safer" since 9/11.
Sure, places like The White House, Pentagon, and other national monuments and important places are fortified, but isn't that pretty much it?

We might as well plan on being in shut down mode, when unforeseeable events/or tragedies occur.

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RE: Does it bother anyone else the Boston terrorist is 19? - 4/20/2013 4:43:15 PM   
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RE: Does it bother anyone else the Boston terrorist is 19? - 4/20/2013 6:36:12 PM   
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Dang, Lanza was 20 and the suspect in question was 19!
What is going on with these young men?

I read an article recently about Lanza, according to that (if it was accurate) Lanza did attend Sandy Hook and he was bullied while there.. he was shy and never fought back so he was the perfect target for bullies.. apparently the school turned a blind eye to the bullying and Lanzas mother even went to some classes to keep other kids from bullying him, she also considered suing the school but i guess she pulled him out instead.. There were posters thinking better mental care might have helped in that case but bullying has created a few monsters.. jmo, but schools should be taking a zero tollerance stand regarding bullying and maybe if they did, a few less monsters might be created.. what happens if bullied females start doing the same thing??? I am thinking about the girl in Ohio who was attacked/raped by the football "heros" (protected by the school & city) while drugged/drunk or others that same thing has happened to..


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RE: Does it bother anyone else the Boston terrorist is 19? - 4/20/2013 6:58:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		Out of all the things in this terrorist massacre this guys age isn't what bothers me.

Can he be rehabilitated *shrug* maybe. But frankly I don't see any justification for taking that chance. This guy can't possibly ever repay his debt to society, he doesn't deserve another chance and I think we as a country need to do some serious awareness raising about the rights of society at large not to be put at risk by turning such people loose.

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RE: Does it bother anyone else the Boston terrorist is 19? - 4/20/2013 7:17:56 PM   
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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

A 19 year old man child held a major american city hostage yesterday
How do we deal with that ?


Mike, you are aware of my lack of religious leanings, however, there was a prayer (now a hymn as well) widely distributed after World War 2. It is attributed to Saint Francis. This is a situation where I think a prayer actually gives good advice to your question:

Lord, make me an instrument of your peace,
Where there is hatred, let me sow love;
Where there is injury, pardon;
Where there is doubt, faith;
Where there is despair, hope;
Where there is darkness, light;
Where there is sadness, joy.
O Divine Master,
grant that I may not so much seek to be consoled, as to console;
to be understood, as to understand;
to be loved, as to love.
For it is in giving that we receive.
It is in pardoning that we are pardoned,
and it is in dying that we are born to Eternal Life.
Amen.

Anyway, in other words, go forth and be a little kinder to someone, be a little more patient with someone, help someone if you can, be a force for good.


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Hell how do we ,as Americans ,understand that ?


Most of us cannot and will not understand. This act was evil. Pure evil.

Despite what the television tells us, monsters are not friendly, the Vikings were not just in need of teenage boy explaining the cuddliness of dragons to them, vampires do not sparkle and take high school algebra, and the perpetrators of atrocious acts of evil are not misunderstood victims.

To understand someone, you have to be able to put yourself in their place. I do not think that you or most Americans can. I know that I cannot. I will never and I never want to understand such evil.

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RE: Does it bother anyone else the Boston terrorist is 19? - 4/20/2013 9:02:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		What happened is that the boys came to the US and it was total culture shock. They tried to fit in but then they went back to Chechnya to visit their family there and I think got sucked back into the militant Islamists there. They felt more accepted in Chechnya. They felt they belonged because they understood the culture, especially the older son who according to what I read, didn't want to go back to the States but he had a wife and child here. The FBI also even interviewed the younger son when he came back to the States because Russia asked the FBI to do so because Russia had a suspicion he was speaking with militant Islamist groups in Chechnya.

Unfortunately though, when the older brother came back, he contacted his younger brother who I think was still having a difficult time acclimating but trying his hardest to fit in. But his brother is the oldest. You're taught in his culture to respect that and to do what you are told...so he did. He listened to his brother who most likely made him feel like he had to do this to be a good little brother and he really wanted to look up to his older brother I think. I think when his brother died though, he got scared. He became lost and confused again.

I do admit, I feel for the young boy but he is 19 and here in the U.S. that means he's an adult and he will be charged as one. Can he be rehabilitated? I'm thinking yes since he's young and it seems as though he was just trying to fit in and be a good brother. How many who are 19 do the same thing? Go off to college, try to fit in. Drink, do drugs, do stupid stuff, all in the name of wanting to fit in. Unfortunately, his way of fitting in was not with American culture but with his brother's culture.



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RE: Does it bother anyone else the Boston terrorist is 19? - 4/20/2013 9:26:29 PM   
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Unfortunately, his way of fitting in was not with American culture but with his brother's culture.


I feel this is the best summation.

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RE: Does it bother anyone else the Boston terrorist is 19? - 4/20/2013 10:26:37 PM   
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ORIGINAL: littlewonder

What happened is that the boys came to the US and it was total culture shock. They tried to fit in but then they went back to Chechnya to visit their family there and I think got sucked back into the militant Islamists there. They felt more accepted in Chechnya. They felt they belonged because they understood the culture, especially the older son who according to what I read, didn't want to go back to the States but he had a wife and child here. The FBI also even interviewed the younger son when he came back to the States because Russia asked the FBI to do so because Russia had a suspicion he was speaking with militant Islamist groups in Chechnya.

Unfortunately though, when the older brother came back, he contacted his younger brother who I think was still having a difficult time acclimating but trying his hardest to fit in. But his brother is the oldest. You're taught in his culture to respect that and to do what you are told...so he did. He listened to his brother who most likely made him feel like he had to do this to be a good little brother and he really wanted to look up to his older brother I think. I think when his brother died though, he got scared. He became lost and confused again.

I do admit, I feel for the young boy but he is 19 and here in the U.S. that means he's an adult and he will be charged as one. Can he be rehabilitated? I'm thinking yes since he's young and it seems as though he was just trying to fit in and be a good brother. How many who are 19 do the same thing? Go off to college, try to fit in. Drink, do drugs, do stupid stuff, all in the name of wanting to fit in. Unfortunately, his way of fitting in was not with American culture but with his brother's culture.



Thanks for writing such a thoughtful post, lw.
It does seem like the older brother, had a lot of influence
on the younger brother.

There are a lot more questions than answers, and I wonder
about the future.
I am sure many of us, have wondered "about the future" in the world that we live in.

I also find it "interesting" that we have had such violent/terrorist acts from such very young men in the past 4 months.
Peace

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RE: Does it bother anyone else the Boston terrorist is 19? - 4/21/2013 1:39:18 AM   
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Status: offline 		It is sad to see some people here calling for the surviving thug responsible for the atrocity in Boston to be tortured. No surprise though that many of the same people are so vehement in defence of the Constitutional 'gun rights' or those who make the loudest noises about respect for the law, and stern punishment for those who break the law. There is a compelling moral argument against the use of torture. As this moral argument is unlikely to make any impression on those predisposed to torturing people, I shall confine myself to presenting pragmatic reasons why torture shouldn't be considered in this, or any other case.

Many inside the military and law enforcement communites report how inherently unreliable info obtained by torture is. Is it the truth or merely what the prisoner thinks will satisfy his/her torturers? Recall the case of 'curveball' and how the web of deceit and lies he spun to please his interrogators was in launching the Iraq disaster, a clear sign of how destructive self interested information can be. The use of torture reduces the West to the level of terrorists - the end justifies the means.

Will any information gained through torture be worth the damage to the US's reputation and its leadership of the West. Recall the substantial contributions made by Abu Ghraib and Gitmo to trashing the US's reputation, a trashing from which it has yet to recover fully. Torturing suspects reduces the West to the same level as terrorists

Those who propose torture - as a knee jerk reaction to a single atrocity - need to explain clearly how trashing our rights and freedoms enhances and protects the very same rights and freedoms? Torturing suspects hands terrorism and terrorists a free victory - it will confirm what the terrorists claim, that the West's commitment to human rights and freedom is arbitrary and self-interested. Our rights and freedoms are no longer inalienable - they are reduced to a function of political expediency. Is this what people want?

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RE: Does it bother anyone else the Boston terrorist is 19? - 4/21/2013 2:21:07 AM   
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RE: Does it bother anyone else the Boston terrorist is 19? - 4/21/2013 4:31:42 AM   
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ORIGINAL: littlewonder

What happened is that the boys came to the US and it was total culture shock. They tried to fit in but then they went back to Chechnya to visit their family there and I think got sucked back into the militant Islamists there. They felt more accepted in Chechnya. They felt they belonged because they understood the culture, especially the older son who according to what I read, didn't want to go back to the States but he had a wife and child here. The FBI also even interviewed the younger son when he came back to the States because Russia asked the FBI to do so because Russia had a suspicion he was speaking with militant Islamist groups in Chechnya.

Unfortunately though, when the older brother came back, he contacted his younger brother who I think was still having a difficult time acclimating but trying his hardest to fit in. But his brother is the oldest. You're taught in his culture to respect that and to do what you are told...so he did. He listened to his brother who most likely made him feel like he had to do this to be a good little brother and he really wanted to look up to his older brother I think. I think when his brother died though, he got scared. He became lost and confused again.

I do admit, I feel for the young boy but he is 19 and here in the U.S. that means he's an adult and he will be charged as one. Can he be rehabilitated? I'm thinking yes since he's young and it seems as though he was just trying to fit in and be a good brother. How many who are 19 do the same thing? Go off to college, try to fit in. Drink, do drugs, do stupid stuff, all in the name of wanting to fit in. Unfortunately, his way of fitting in was not with American culture but with his brother's culture.




Not true according to the BBC in an interview with the boys family in Chechnya. They say the elder boy was not radicalised when they left for America but was when he came back. I would suggest his radicalisation has more to do with the internet and constanly watching Jihadist web sites than anything else.

Mind you, given the constant Islamophobic posts on here I could see some Muslims not feeling welcomed.

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RE: Does it bother anyone else the Boston terrorist is 19? - 4/21/2013 4:34:51 AM   
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Unfortunately, his way of fitting in was not with American culture but with his brother's culture.


I feel this is the best summation.


I dont see that, since it isnt what the younger boys friends, classmates and coach have said.

The one thing these boys and the home grown Muslim terrorists in the UK have in common is Jihadist web sites. Thats the downside of totally free speech for you.

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RE: Does it bother anyone else the Boston terrorist is 19? - 4/21/2013 5:28:29 AM   
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The one thing these boys and the home grown Muslim terrorists in the UK have in common is Jihadist web sites.

They have another thing in common: they are savages.


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RE: Does it bother anyone else the Boston terrorist is 19? - 4/21/2013 8:38:06 AM   
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It is sad to see some people here calling for the surviving thug responsible for the atrocity in Boston to be tortured. No surprise though that many of the same people are so vehement in defence of the Constitutional 'gun rights' or those who make the loudest noises about respect for the law, and stern punishment for those who break the law.


I am vehement about the 2nd amendment and I do not advocating torturing this young man. To that end I am also very discouraged about news reports of law enforcements plans to sidestep his Miranda rights. No surprise though to see people take a swipe at the other side with their broadest brush.

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RE: Does it bother anyone else the Boston terrorist is 19? - 4/21/2013 8:50:48 AM   
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And if you're afraid to explain it in court, in defense of your actions, then your actions aren't justified, are they?

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RE: Does it bother anyone else the Boston terrorist is 19? - 4/21/2013 8:51:32 AM   
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Status: offline 		I don't want to see this person tortured, at all. However, if found guilty, I'd like him sentenced to being in close proximity to one of his devices, when it goes off.



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RE: Does it bother anyone else the Boston terrorist is 19? - 4/21/2013 9:04:49 AM   
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Status: offline 		Why bother? He is an animal. Lock him up and take care of him, or put him to death outright. And then - when he is either in prison for life or dead - forgive him and forget about him.

Vengeful feelings are neither Christian nor civilized.

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RE: Does it bother anyone else the Boston terrorist is 19? - 4/21/2013 10:13:52 AM   
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Why bother? He is an animal. Lock him up and take care of him, or put him to death outright. And then - when he is either in prison for life or dead - forgive him and forget about him.

Vengeful feelings are neither Christian nor civilized.


It didn't come from a position of vengeance. I believe the punishment should fit the crime. It comes from a sense of justice.



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RE: Does it bother anyone else the Boston terrorist is 19? - 4/21/2013 10:17:59 AM   
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