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RE: Does it bother anyone else the Boston terrorist is 19? - 4/21/2013 10:20:56 AM   
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I don't want to see this person tortured, at all. However, if found guilty, I'd like him sentenced to being in close proximity to one of his devices, when it goes off.



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RE: Does it bother anyone else the Boston terrorist is 19? - 4/21/2013 10:21:13 AM   
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That is very, very old, Old Testament. Most of the Christian gene pool has evolved beyond that.


Then, I guess I'm not very evolved. We're done here.

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RE: Does it bother anyone else the Boston terrorist is 19? - 4/21/2013 11:28:53 AM   
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Is this what people want?


Apparently.

Terrorists are often on about evil, about how they don't understand it and don't care to, about how it's not even human, or how it should be cause for revoking citizenship before a trial even starts, or how torture is perfectly fine when faced with evil, or how evil can be killed at will, even bombed back to the stone age with no regard for casualties. Sounds a lot like many posters in this thread, in fact.

There's no difficulty in understanding terrorism. Just have a look around. Imagine those you see, seeing in themselves what you see in them, identifying it as evil by their own criterion when shown a true mirror, and acting thereupon. Of course, most still wouldn't have the guts to act with consistency, but except for being more passive and less principled, the difference in character and thinking is slight to none, and I find that most discouraging.

Looks like these two adapted very well to certain parts of the culture that have been shown in this thread and others.

Tragic, really.

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RE: Does it bother anyone else the Boston terrorist is 19? - 4/21/2013 12:05:33 PM   
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Those who propose torture - as a knee jerk reaction to a single atrocity - need to explain clearly how trashing our rights and freedoms enhances and protects the very same rights and freedoms? Torturing suspects hands terrorism and terrorists a free victory - it will confirm what the terrorists claim, that the West's commitment to human rights and freedom is arbitrary and self-interested. Our rights and freedoms are no longer inalienable - they are reduced to a function of political expediency. Is this what people want?

It is a novel situation. The first 'jihadist' who inflicted suffering on our soil and was actually caught. We don't quite know what to make of it. Our former President legitimised torture and so now it rolls easily off the tongue. We will have it figured out by the next event and live capture.

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RE: Does it bother anyone else the Boston terrorist is 19? - 4/21/2013 12:51:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		His age doesn't bother me as much as (& this is a point I often make in being a sub) his willingness to follow blindly. A lot of what is coming out is showing that (& it is NOT an excuse nor do I think he should not face the repercussions of his actions) the older brother was the one who had a hard time adjusting, failing out of school & who went abroad to be involved in "underground camps". He was the one who became a radicalized Muslim. As someone who idolized her older sister, I know the power they have over you. Now, as I said, it does not excuse what he did nor should he be given any "special" treatment for not being the mastermind... It just explains how his high school friends can talk about him as a sweet, nice boy who went to his Senior Prom, was involved in school sports, and was smart enough to win an academic scholarship...

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RE: Does it bother anyone else the Boston terrorist is 19? - 4/21/2013 12:51:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		I define terrorists and evil different then you Aswad and many I suspect. The typical Jihadist is usually fighting for his way of life and through ignorance picking the wrong way to do it. Many call them terrorists...I don't. Yes they need to be defeated but only because they are wrong and cannot be reasoned with as they try their best to kill us and our way of life.

The true terrorist is one who takes advantage of the poor, disadvantaged, and ignorant to further their personal ambitions or vendettas. They may be inspired by greed or religion... they may be sane or insane...but they are the true evil in this world.

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RE: Does it bother anyone else the Boston terrorist is 19? - 4/21/2013 2:32:06 PM   
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I define terrorists and evil different then you Aswad and many I suspect.


Given the number of definitions out there, I'm sure there's room for a few more.

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The typical Jihadist is usually fighting for his way of life and through ignorance picking the wrong way to do it.


The effective way? Or the only way available to them?

The 9/11 attacks, for instance, cost 19 lives and a six digit sum. For this, they got a few tens of thousands dead, a few trillion dollars in losses, a recession, damage to the US' international reputation, damage to liberties in the US, greatly increased terrorist activity worldwide, increased recruitment and so forth. A big win, in short, and it's still paying off, without ever having to sink to the level of Beslan or the like.

An analysis of the more recent attacks would probably not be well received right about now, and the data is still coming in.

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Yes they need to be defeated but only because they are wrong and cannot be reasoned with as they try their best to kill us and our way of life.


This is why you fail. Anyway, nobody's trying to kill your way of life but you.

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The true terrorist is one who takes advantage of the poor, disadvantaged, and ignorant to further their personal ambitions or vendettas.


So... most of humanity, then?

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They may be inspired by greed or religion... they may be sane or insane...but they are the true evil in this world.


I've never found the term evil to have any meaningful content. In any case, they're mostly just regular people, and there's no benefit to inventing some property they supposedly have (e.g. "evil"), rather than focusing on what they don't have (in all fairness, though, that's scarier, because it soon becomes apparent why they don't have it, and what the rest of us lack). Feel free to keep the analysis on their terms, though.

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RE: Does it bother anyone else the Boston terrorist is 19? - 4/21/2013 7:33:16 PM   
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I've never found the term evil to have any meaningful content. In any case, they're mostly just regular people, and there's no benefit to inventing some property they supposedly have (e.g. "evil"), rather than focusing on what they don't have (in all fairness, though, that's scarier, because it soon becomes apparent why they don't have it, and what the rest of us lack). Feel free to keep the analysis on their terms, though.

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No. Regular people do not pack a pressure cooker full of ball bearings and detonate it.

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RE: Does it bother anyone else the Boston terrorist is 19? - 4/21/2013 8:01:35 PM   
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No. Regular people do not pack a pressure cooker full of ball bearings and detonate it.


Actually, the people that do just that are often quite regular folks.

I've seen plenty of candidates on this thread alone.

Minor differences, not major ones.

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RE: Does it bother anyone else the Boston terrorist is 19? - 4/21/2013 8:12:06 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Aswad

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No. Regular people do not pack a pressure cooker full of ball bearings and detonate it.


Actually, the people that do just that are often quite regular folks.

I've seen plenty of candidates on this thread alone.

Minor differences, not major ones.

IWYW,
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Quite a few here have explained their need for 30 and hundred round magazines, with fantasies of attacking/overthrowing the government.



The well sping of poop that this sprang from is the same one timithy mcveigh,robert rudolph and david koresh came from.


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RE: Does it bother anyone else the Boston terrorist is 19? - 4/21/2013 8:21:17 PM   
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No. Regular people do not pack a pressure cooker full of ball bearings and detonate it.


Actually, the people that do just that are often quite regular folks.

I've seen plenty of candidates on this thread alone.

Minor differences, not major ones.

IWYW,
— Aswad.





Quite a few here have explained their need for 30 and hundred round magazines, with fantasies of attacking/overthrowing the government.



The well sping of poop that this sprang from is the same one timithy mcveigh,robert rudolph and david koresh came from.




only took 6% of the population last time. whats so inconceivable about that? Thats less than we have on the unemployment lines.

koresh are you out of your mind? the government went after him and killed all those people when hell fire rigs were perfectly legal!

mcvieh was taken incognito at a military base off record just prior to the incident, you tell us what happened there.

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RE: Does it bother anyone else the Boston terrorist is 19? - 4/21/2013 8:25:07 PM   
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http://boston.com/metrodesk/2013/04/21/new-details-wild-shootout-with-bomb-suspects-watertown-chief-believes-older-brother-was-killed-younger-brother-desperate-getaway/jaIyrXr8fSnf5Pu4xnRbvM/story.html

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RE: Does it bother anyone else the Boston terrorist is 19? - 4/21/2013 11:19:57 PM   
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The true terrorist is one who takes advantage of the poor, disadvantaged, and ignorant to further their personal ambitions or vendettas. They may be inspired by greed or religion... they may be sane or insane...but they are the true evil in this world.


Rush Limbaugh? Beck? Hannity? The Tea Party?

The term 'terrorist' has become meaningless. Over use has brought it to the point where it is little more than a term of political abuse, another bit of empty political rhetoric. The only thing that most usages of the term terrorist have in common is that they always apply to the other side only, and never to one's own side. This is the case, even though in practice, there is often little to distinguish one side from the other.

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RE: Does it bother anyone else the Boston terrorist is 19? - 4/22/2013 2:09:11 AM   
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No. Regular people do not pack a pressure cooker full of ball bearings and detonate it.


Actually, the people that do just that are often quite regular folks.

I've seen plenty of candidates on this thread alone.

Minor differences, not major ones.

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This.


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RE: Does it bother anyone else the Boston terrorist is 19? - 4/22/2013 4:16:11 AM   
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No. Regular people do not pack a pressure cooker full of ball bearings and detonate it.

Actually, the people that do just that are often quite regular folks.

I've seen plenty of candidates on this thread alone.

Minor differences, not major ones.

lookin' at yrself in tha mirror there aswad?

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RE: Does it bother anyone else the Boston terrorist is 19? - 4/22/2013 6:48:40 AM   
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No. Regular people do not pack a pressure cooker full of ball bearings and detonate it.



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RE: Does it bother anyone else the Boston terrorist is 19? - 4/22/2013 7:09:25 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Aylee

No. Regular people do not pack a pressure cooker full of ball bearings and detonate it.


Actually, the people that do just that are often quite regular folks.

I've seen plenty of candidates on this thread alone.

Minor differences, not major ones.

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— Aswad.




Let me be sure I understand what you are implying... Are you saying that PLENTY of contributors to this thread, in your mind, are candidates to commit mass murder?

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RE: Does it bother anyone else the Boston terrorist is 19? - 4/22/2013 8:50:27 AM   
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RE: Does it bother anyone else the Boston terrorist is 19? - 4/22/2013 1:14:25 PM   
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Okay its almost 3am, I have had some red wine {for my heart of course}, and I am tipsy posting.

Does it bother anyone else that the suspected terrorists are so young?

My favorite heartbeat young person is 19, and we were talking about this tonight.
He was floored that the suspect was the same age that he is.

Does the fact that the 19 year old appeared to be so involved in such typical Western activities, including recent high school graduation/and being enrolled in college matter?

Another reason I ask this, is because so many seem to feel that young/juvenile offenders can be rehabiliated no matter crimes they commit.

Its so easy to think that way, except in cases like this.

Maybe this young person can be rehabilitated like all the others his age?
{IF he survives}
Don't many around here feel that most young people can turn their lives around?
pot/kettle/black around here much?

Is it just me, or does it not really matter?
Does the fact that they are/were 26 and 19 matter, or is it not relevant?
Please be gentle, I am a very sensitive and delicate soul.

Peace

It certainly didn't seem to bother any of the Bostonians who were strutting about and braying for the television cameras (rather like Palestinians who'd just heard about an ugly building in New York getting knocked over, though they didn't have AK47s to wave about in Boston) when it was announced that the lad had been caught, did it?

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RE: Does it bother anyone else the Boston terrorist is 19? - 4/22/2013 1:41:08 PM   
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lookin' at yrself in tha mirror there aswad?


No. None of my goals can be accomplished with terrorism, and I would obey the rules of engagement if I ever turned to such means. I've no interest in hate-motivated violence.

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