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RE: FEDS PANIC OVER 3D PLASTIC GUN - 5/13/2013 2:01:05 PM   
Real0ne


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No, states from estates

There is no difference between state and State, that is pure unadulterated asswipe having nothing to do with law or anything else in the world.







like taking candy from a baby


Hence the unlawful conversion.

for those who give a shit, of course its important to use definitions of the approximate era they were used in law, the creation of a State is after all considered law, though it is nothing more than a "DBA" charter, (technically), issued by a sovereign.















In English law, a fee simple (or fee simple absolute) is an estate in land, a form of freehold ownership. It is the way that real estate is owned in common law countries, and is the highest ownership interest possible that can be had in real property.

Fee simple ownership represents an ownership interest in real property, though it is limited by government powers of taxation, eminent domain, police power, and escheat, and it could also be limited further by certain encumbrances or conditions in the deed.[citation needed] Fee simple ownership interest may be limited by government powers through a shift from allodial title to fee simple, such as when uniting with other property owners acceding to zoning restrictions and municipal regulation. <--- mob jurisdictional presumption of incorporation of everything within its eyesight

and of course ownership INTEREST is NOT the same as OWNERSHIP in and of itself.

the inhabitants did not authorize the "shift" from allodial to "in-fee" simple absolute or otherwise, that was the BAR saying just sign here and dumb people not knowing the difference. completely unlawful but they did it.



you dont own shit people! not land, not your house, not even your body, much less a fucking plastic gun maker!

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In most jurisdictions in the United States these concepts have been modified by statute. Fee simple determinable was generally preferred by courts in the common law of the early United States. Recently, that trend has reversed, and most courts in the United States will find a fee simple subject to condition subsequent <--now that they fucked everyone its to bad so sad too late to change anything about it now! just bend over and smile, in situations where the conveying document's language is unclear.



They own it all, and/or they own the right to take it all from you!

I have challenged several out here to put up the facts that you do and no one has! Imagine that!




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RE: FEDS PANIC OVER 3D PLASTIC GUN - 5/13/2013 3:58:34 PM   
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Exactly.

Rumsfeldt, as CEO of Searle, said that he would "call in my markers" when the FDA turned down his company's application of aspartame as a sweetener, based on reports of the FDA science panel. Reagan, being the consummate corporate chump that he'd always been before and since, eagerly redeemed Rumsfeldt's "markers" and appointed his directed candidate as new head of the FDA.

Case closed, millions of fat people downing 'diet soft drinks' ever since.


Is this one of those cases you wish to adduce as 'government running the corprations,'

Seriously?



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RE: FEDS PANIC OVER 3D PLASTIC GUN - 5/13/2013 4:19:49 PM   
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Exactly.

Rumsfeldt, as CEO of Searle, said that he would "call in my markers" when the FDA turned down his company's application of aspartame as a sweetener, based on reports of the FDA science panel. Reagan, being the consummate corporate chump that he'd always been before and since, eagerly redeemed Rumsfeldt's "markers" and appointed his directed candidate as new head of the FDA.

Case closed, millions of fat people downing 'diet soft drinks' ever since.


Is this one of those cases you wish to adduce as 'government running the corprations,'

Seriously?





a corporation obtains its charter through the government, often delaware, since the only entity that can pull the charter is the government, I have to go with "yes" the government does have control of the corporations in the final analysis. However as we can see the level of corruption not only in the US but world wide is so blatant, courts included, how does one correctly distinguish between who controls who except by full investigation (good luck with that) and review on a case by case basis?

after all the government itself is a corporation! DBA as the STATE OF XYZ.

If it demonstrates anything at all it is how easily this government is infiltrated, bought and owned, (banking bailouts) hence the movie the matrix, the original star trek serious, and several other political satire movies that point these same issues out in a manner that people will actually sit long enough to listen, reality sux you know.

Dont kid yourself the dems are equally as bad. most things political people have come to believe when put under even loos scrutiny is total bullshit, or skewed to the point its nothing what it seems.


Here just as an example, they tell us straight up!





60,000 are the old feudal numbers to used establish a state in the European conquests! and as we can all see they were used to establish the state!!! LOL

no mention of "citizen" either




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RE: FEDS PANIC OVER 3D PLASTIC GUN - 5/13/2013 4:22:12 PM   
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RE: FEDS PANIC OVER 3D PLASTIC GUN - 5/13/2013 4:24:03 PM   
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a collective is not necsarily a "State", though it may be a state, a "State" which is the abbreviation for an Estate in so far as bounded land is concerned is a "title" of operating privilege granted by a sovereign overlord.

yes we form both states and States.

in a nutshell there is power to inflict a collective will by the use of mobism, mafia, (democracies), etc.

Do you feel that these mobs have legitimate authority to tell you what medications you can and cant use? How long your grass must be cut?

Where does a mob (by whatever name you wish to attach to it), get their legitimate authority over the individual living wo/man not "knowingly", with full disclosure, full consent, annexed to the corporation, to declare themselves overlords and use up to and including lethal force to enforce their collective will upon them? or take away all their stuff and throw them in cages for "disobedience" to mob rules?


What the fuck has this got to do with my question?

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RE: FEDS PANIC OVER 3D PLASTIC GUN - 5/13/2013 4:28:56 PM   
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[lor=#660099]I'm a Rumsfeldt fan because I'm addicted to Diet Wild Cherry Pepsi© which uses Aspertame as a sweetener.
Peace and comfort,
Michael[/color


that makes a lot of things more clear.

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RE: FEDS PANIC OVER 3D PLASTIC GUN - 5/13/2013 4:34:35 PM   
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quote:

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quote:

a collective is not necsarily a "State", though it may be a state, a "State" which is the abbreviation for an Estate in so far as bounded land is concerned is a "title" of operating privilege granted by a sovereign overlord.

yes we form both states and States.

in a nutshell there is power to inflict a collective will by the use of mobism, mafia, (democracies), etc.

Do you feel that these mobs have legitimate authority to tell you what medications you can and cant use? How long your grass must be cut?

Where does a mob (by whatever name you wish to attach to it), get their legitimate authority over the individual living wo/man not "knowingly", with full disclosure, full consent, annexed to the corporation, to declare themselves overlords and use up to and including lethal force to enforce their collective will upon them? or take away all their stuff and throw them in cages for "disobedience" to mob rules?


What the fuck has this got to do with my question?



I responded according to the dictates of my interpretation of your question, if you feel it is not the same interpretation you wish to discuss by all means elaborate on what you are looking for unless you prefer to play charades, and my crystal ball is broken.

further you are not responding to my points in kind, looks like you want another one way street discussion. its all about you?

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RE: FEDS PANIC OVER 3D PLASTIC GUN - 5/13/2013 4:37:17 PM   
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RE: FEDS PANIC OVER 3D PLASTIC GUN - 5/13/2013 4:40:07 PM   
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quote:

I responded according to the dictates of my interpretation of your question, if you feel it is not the same interpretation you wish to discuss by all means elaborate on what you are looking for unless you prefer to play charades, and my crystal ball is broken.


It is pretty simple "rtmfq"

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further you are not responding to my points in kind,


Why the fuck should I? They have nothing to do with the question I asked you.
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looks like you want another one way street discussion. its all about you?



What an uncanny grasp of the obvious.

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RE: FEDS PANIC OVER 3D PLASTIC GUN - 5/13/2013 4:47:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		A 3D printer is still a pretty high-tech tool, not a replicator you just ask for what you want. I predict a whole slew of cases of people spending a fortune to make what they think is a magic unregistered undetectable weapon, and then it blows their hand off or just misfires.

Same as all the cases we've seen of radical numbwits of all parties and religions who've blown themselves up trying to make explosives, produced useless goo trying to extract ricin from beans, made time switches that don't work, et cetera.

Technology doesn't care how pure your ideology is, if you can't do the math or assemble the parts right.

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RE: FEDS PANIC OVER 3D PLASTIC GUN - 5/13/2013 5:00:20 PM   
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A 3D printer is still a pretty high-tech tool, not a replicator you just ask for what you want. I predict a whole slew of cases of people spending a fortune to make what they think is a magic unregistered undetectable weapon, and then it blows their hand off or just misfires.

Same as all the cases we've seen of radical numbwits of all parties and religions who've blown themselves up trying to make explosives, produced useless goo trying to extract ricin from beans, made time switches that don't work, et cetera.

Technology doesn't care how pure your ideology is, if you can't do the math or assemble the parts right.


I find it interesting that so many people are thinking about making weapons with a printer....
If you could make anything that a 3d printer can make the choice to make a weapon is most instructive re the mindset of the individual.
Perhaps I am just a little more mercinary....I think I would be printing up things I could use

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RE: FEDS PANIC OVER 3D PLASTIC GUN - 5/13/2013 5:30:43 PM   
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a corporation obtains its charter through the government, often delaware, ...


Will you just shut up already, or at least make up your mind?

The corporation is off the hook now, by obtaining a charter which they created, from a government they created?

So it's all the 'government's' fault from there on out.

You are the biggest of fools. Sorry, no other way to say it.



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RE: FEDS PANIC OVER 3D PLASTIC GUN - 5/13/2013 5:35:40 PM   
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Just one more day's trek, you're almost at the peak of the mountain ...

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RE: FEDS PANIC OVER 3D PLASTIC GUN - 5/13/2013 6:11:48 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Edwynn


quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne
a corporation obtains its charter through the government, often delaware, ...


Will you just shut up already, or at least make up your mind?

The corporation is off the hook now, by obtaining a charter which they created, from a government they created?

So it's all the 'government's' fault from there on out.

You are the biggest of fools. Sorry, no other way to say it.






yeh and sadly that is not too far from the truth either, but dont look at me, I did not create the system, just make the calls with citations. LOL

anyway maybe we can get into the details in another thread sometime.

back to plastic gunz!

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RE: FEDS PANIC OVER 3D PLASTIC GUN - 5/13/2013 11:10:47 PM   
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Just one more day's trek, you're almost at the peak of the mountain ...




ok FDD, last one here just for a redirect then back to gunz

So here you go;

I posted this thread a while back, its far to deep into law than most people out here can wrap their heads around. Especially BAR members. LOL

After the City council made complete assholes out of themselves, kolbe, one of the city council members agreed to come on the show for a debate, I presume to try and make a better showing than the council at large did.

He is an attorney with a JD and one of the better educated ones I might add on government matters.

Long story short he still made a good floor mop, but to his credit he also brought up some good points. No one on these boards that I have seen so far even approaches this level of knowledge. That is why the thread I am directing you to is virtually empty.

Anyway I will post the interview download link and you can see how easy it is to kick gubbermint ass when you understand the elements of exactly "what" law is. So you think its doublethink, but, its not, its them, its the way the system is built, I am only the reporter here.

If you want to continue the discussion and get deeper into it to clear up some of the confusion we can take it here, and if we get that far I will throw on the other hard drive and dig up some references if I have the time.





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RE: FEDS PANIC OVER 3D PLASTIC GUN - 5/14/2013 2:05:14 AM   
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I hear you, but you keep talking de jure law, whereas I'm talking about the de facto reality of how it actually plays out in r/l.

If the ME invasions and the financial fiasco, and the players behind it, don't tell you who's actually running the show here, There's not much that I or anyone else can tell you.

Here's a hint: Citigroup and Goldman Sachs and AIG and Countrywide and Haliburton and Enron were not victims of the government. Even Phil and Wendy Gramm would tell you that.

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RE: FEDS PANIC OVER 3D PLASTIC GUN - 5/14/2013 4:22:30 AM   
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Let's get this back on track... Plastic guns are pretty cool and so are 3D printers!



Yes, back on track.

What's the issue here?

Is somebody crying about some attempt at regulation on this matter?

Just which party is it that's actually in 'PANIC!' here?

Yeah, that's what I thought.

I've never owned a gun, but I can go into at least four different neighborhoods and get one in less than an hour.


For either or both reasons, I'm never in PANIC! on the issue.

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RE: FEDS PANIC OVER 3D PLASTIC GUN - 5/14/2013 4:52:50 AM   
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Being where I live, if I somehow woke up one fine morning and decided that I thought it would be a wonderful adventure to make a first grade classroom into a nearly instant graveyard, without ever having any gun in my house to begin with, the whole thing could be accomplished in 90 minutes or less.

Thank god for the freedom and liberty in this country.




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RE: FEDS PANIC OVER 3D PLASTIC GUN - 5/14/2013 6:44:37 AM   
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RE: FEDS PANIC OVER 3D PLASTIC GUN - 5/14/2013 7:16:11 AM   
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I expect the panic is over the ability to walk through metal detectors with them


Metal detectors wont notice carbon fiber knives or pick handles either

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