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Moral value of a foreign life?


We should be able to sacrifice >1 countrymen for 1 foreigner.
  14% (3)
The countryman and the foreigner's life have the same value.
  42% (9)
It is ok to sacrifice some foreigners for one countryman, only some.
  9% (2)
Around 1000 foreigners for one countryman is a fair deal.
  0% (0)
No amount of foreigners justify sacrificing one single countryman.
  33% (7)


Total Votes : 21
(last vote on : 5/29/2013 6:20:04 AM)
(Poll ended: 5/31/2013 12:00:00 AM)
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Moral value of a foreign life? - 5/27/2013 6:31:27 AM   
SpanishMatMaster


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Status: offline 		I am trying to find out the general feeling here about the value of a life of someone of your country, compared to the life of a foreigner.

I try to give both extremes and everything between. The context are questions about geopolitics, wars, interventions, reactions to deaths, etc.

Please consider always equivalent lives. A soldier for a soldier, a child for a child, etc.

PS: If you can post here your nationality associated to your vote, I would be glad.

Thank you all!


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RE: Moral value of a foreign life? - 5/27/2013 6:40:21 AM   
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I dont give a shit about dutch muslims...

It doesnt matter to me what country you come from, it matters wich side your on.

Guess you could better refrase.

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RE: Moral value of a foreign life? - 5/27/2013 6:47:44 AM   
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It doesnt matter to me what country you come from, it matters wich side your on.
I thank you for your opinion and your answer (your are dutch, yes?), but what I want to ask is precisely what I want to ask: who makes differences based on country and not on anything else.

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RE: Moral value of a foreign life? - 5/27/2013 7:08:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		Kinda hard when the world is globalizing. So its hard to say what you really are asking morally. If you would ask me this during WW2 I would say I do not value the life of a nazi german, I only value his death. So a thousand live germans would not even count for one dutchie. But in the course of war its not just numbers. It's effect.

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RE: Moral value of a foreign life? - 5/27/2013 7:13:48 AM   
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I find this an odd question. As MrBukani stated, it's about what side you're on. And, I'm sure that plays a more role than most other things. That being said, a Canadian/UK/Australian soldier dying in Afghanistan doesn't impact me as much as an American soldier dying in Afghanistan. Hell, I'm not "happy" when an enemy soldier dies. If it comes down to it, I'd rather another country's soldier died rather than an American soldier.

It isn't "an eye for an eye," either.

Edited to add: Ya'all know it, but it was requested by SMM... I am a US citizen.

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RE: Moral value of a foreign life? - 5/27/2013 7:32:04 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: SpanishMatMaster

I am trying to find out the general feeling here about the value of a life of someone of your country, compared to the life of a foreigner.

I try to give both extremes and everything between. The context are questions about geopolitics, wars, interventions, reactions to deaths, etc.

Please consider always equivalent lives. A soldier for a soldier, a child for a child, etc.

PS: If you can post here your nationality associated to your vote, I would be glad.

Thank you all!



Are you talking about reprisals?

I am a US citizen.

In the case of reprisals, as many as it takes.


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RE: Moral value of a foreign life? - 5/27/2013 8:05:59 AM   
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Status: offline 		I am wondering if there is such a valuation as a moral one. If we are talking morals, then we start from almost zero as so few morals are reflected anywhere particularly in govt. and military.

Morality is subjective, so what is immoral to some may not be immoral to others, thus...the question is academic.

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RE: Moral value of a foreign life? - 5/27/2013 8:08:08 AM   
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You are either with us or against us.

Kill em all .... let god sort em out!



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RE: Moral value of a foreign life? - 5/27/2013 8:19:18 AM   
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Bring our troops home.

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RE: Moral value of a foreign life? - 5/27/2013 8:44:05 AM   
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Personally, I think it's a moot and pointless question.

Nobody is worth sacrificing for anyone else.
Numbers just don't even come into it.

The poll doesn't have that option - so I can't vote.

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RE: Moral value of a foreign life? - 5/27/2013 8:56:20 AM   
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― George S. Patton Jr., War as I Knew It


Answers the question, in my opinion.

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RE: Moral value of a foreign life? - 5/27/2013 9:05:31 AM   
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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

FR~

Personally, I think it's a moot and pointless question.

Nobody is worth sacrificing for anyone else.
Numbers just don't even come into it.

The poll doesn't have that option - so I can't vote.



That`s pretty much how I feel.

At some point in history(don`t ask me when),the world`s nations agreed to at the very least,not let someone bleed out or go untreated for an illness or life threatening situation,whether you were from that country or not.And if one were in another civilized country,they could expect the same.

I`m guessing this was around the same time we agreed as a community...to have publicly funded emergency rooms,firehouses and LEOs.

Whether is was by treaty or just being civil ,it`s a good thing.

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RE: Moral value of a foreign life? - 5/27/2013 10:28:00 AM   
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Life is cheap, someone dies every minute of every day. As a species, I'd say we're really good at ending life, no matter what your geographic location is.

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RE: Moral value of a foreign life? - 5/27/2013 12:59:27 PM   
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quote:

No amount of foreigners justify sacrificing one single countryman.... 44%


As for now. I would not say that it is shocking, but it is indeed interesting.

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RE: Moral value of a foreign life? - 5/27/2013 1:12:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		That isn't very precise. You are aware of course that a portion of the US and other militaries is made up of non-citizens, right? So are you asking about the proportionate value of sending them out to be killed by the enemy?

You are aware that countries have civil wars in which soldiers on both sides are both native and non-native, right?


Or are you simply conflating the word 'foreign' with 'enemy troops'?


quote:

ORIGINAL: SpanishMatMaster

quote:

ORIGINAL: MrBukani
It doesnt matter to me what country you come from, it matters wich side your on.
I thank you for your opinion and your answer (your are dutch, yes?), but what I want to ask is precisely what I want to ask: who makes differences based on country and not on anything else.



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RE: Moral value of a foreign life? - 5/27/2013 8:56:57 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Powergamz1
That isn't very precise.
Apparently it is precise enough for many people to answer. That's all I need.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Powergamz1
You are aware of course that a portion of the US and other militaries is made up of non-citizens, right? So are you asking about the proportionate value of sending them out to be killed by the enemy?
Yes, I am aware, and no, I am asking exactly what I am asking.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Powergamz1
You are aware that countries have civil wars in which soldiers on both sides are both native and non-native, right?
Yes, I am.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Powergamz1
Or are you simply conflating the word 'foreign' with 'enemy troops'?
If I did that, it would not make much sense to speak about children, as I did, knowing that some of your are American and America has, as far as I know, no child soldiers.

Anyway - no, I did not do that.

Best regards.

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RE: Moral value of a foreign life? - 5/27/2013 9:04:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		I voted the last option, with the specification that I'm taking the question as being:

"no amount of enemies justifies sacrificing a single person in my own community"

I did this because I don't consider legal countries to be a moral construct, and as such do not consider myself aligned with any single country out there. I don't consider myself a citizen of the country of my birth, any more than I consider myself a citizen of the country I currently am living in. As such, anybody and nobody is really technically a "foreigner" to me. Instead, my alliances lay with communities of people I voluntarily consider "my own".

Taking the question literally and weighing the life of a legal countryman of mine versus a non-enemy stranger, I would have gone with option number two, because I consider the average legal fellow countryman of mine as much as a stranger to me than anybody of any random other nationality.

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RE: Moral value of a foreign life? - 5/27/2013 9:06:15 PM   
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RE: Moral value of a foreign life? - 5/27/2013 9:16:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		No vote for me either…Only the criminally insane like or want to kill another human being, a fellow countryman or not, for any circumstance.

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RE: Moral value of a foreign life? - 5/27/2013 9:22:33 PM   
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