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What the difference between Dominant and Master. - 6/12/2013 4:28:52 AM

hrxxx

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There have been many discussions around the web, and here on collarme. Around the difference between slaves and submissive, but I can not find any posts about what the difference between Dominant and Master.

I see myself as Master, and seek only girls who perceive themselves as a slave, a submissive girl will submit and do as they are told, but slave must learn through punishment pain and torture and that provide a Master / Sadist then he or she achieves results.

A submissive is most times also a masochist girl, and she wants pain, so she is impossible to train as a slave, a slave must not enjoy pain, but take the courage to learn.

What do you see yourself as Master / Mistress, Dominant / Domina. And are you a slave or submissive

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RE: What the difference between Dominant and Master. - 6/12/2013 5:00:36 AM

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First, keep in mind that the definitions will not be universal but will vary from person to person.

My take is that a Dom wants to be in control. Period. The need for control extends outside the bedroom (if it doesn't, he is a top and not a Dom). It can incorporate punishment into the dynamic but not necessarily.

A Master is a Dom that has put in extra time and effort to learn tools of the craft. Generally, he is recognized by others for his ability and attitude and code of behavior.

(Please note that Goreans call men Master when they only fir the definition of a Dom above. They use their own terms.)

I am a Dom. My skill level is not high enough for me to be considered a Master, although I try to live my life like a Master would regarding my behavior toward others.

I do not agree with you on several points:

1. "I see myself as Master, and seek only girls who perceive themselves as a slave" - you're relying on labels. When I met my sub, she would have told you that she would never become what she is now. I wanted her, and slowly brought her into my life to be what she is now. She discovered that she liked things as she went. If two people have chemistry, they can adjust to each other. Almost every M/s relationship I know of, started of D/s or vanilla, and grew into M/s.

2. "a submissive girl will submit and do as they are told, but slave must learn through punishment pain and torture and that provide a Master / Sadist then he or she achieves results. " Slaves learn through many methods. Punishment better not be the only one, or they will feel abused.

3. "A submissive is most times also a masochist girl, and she wants pain, so she is impossible to train as a slave, a slave must not enjoy pain, but take the courage to learn. " No. A submissive wants to obey a Dom. Period. She may want pain or she may not. More likely, she wants it sometimes and not at other times. As I said earlier, many slaves were trained from being submissives previously.

Slaves can enjoy pain. However, for both, having failed their Dom/Master is a very serious thing, and can lead to them not enjoying physical actions that may otherwise have been enjoyable.

I'd suggest you get some practical experience before spending too much more time making rules. See what works for you and what works for your sub/slave.

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RE: What the difference between Dominant and Master. - 6/12/2013 5:15:52 AM

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Yes I'm sorry, but I'm not inexperienced, but it sounds like you were before you found your sub! I know what I want and I do not want to change a sub up to be a slave.

to me you're just someone who settle with what you get

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RE: What the difference between Dominant and Master. - 6/12/2013 5:56:30 AM

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Not at all. I did not settle with Tasha at all. To me, getting a good fit between us in a vanilla sense is far more important than what label she was wearing at the time. Both of us were willing for me to bring her to where I want her to be.

I also think that assuming that two people will be so compatible from the get-go that there will be no adjustment between the two of them, is unrealistic. Even if your woman were to be 100% slavegirl material, she'd still need to be trained to know how you like her to serve.

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RE: What the difference between Dominant and Master. - 6/12/2013 6:01:21 AM

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ORIGINAL: hrxxx

Yes I'm sorry, but I'm not inexperienced, but it sounds like you were before you found your sub! I know what I want and I do not want to change a sub up to be a slave.

to me you're just someone who settle with what you get

Mind your tongue, boy.

I'm weary of any person who calls themselves "master." The truly great I know are also humble and Steven's response was as mindful as they come. I learned a lot of the lessons he condensed the hard way. Do as you please, but I agree with Steven that a relationship grows and fosters. When people first start to play together, they are simply tops and bottoms.

It seems like you want to skip those steps and go straight to having a slave. Yo-- I stopped right here to read your profile. You're living in a fantasy world. BDSM requires submission to be consensual at some level of the game.

From your profile:

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ORIGINAL: hrxxx's Profile

5. I waive the right of ceasing the relationship, or the BDSM part of the relationship between me and my master.

6. I waive the right to limits.

7. I waive the right to have my own life aside from the relationship I have with my master; this includes work, friends, studies, social events, and any family or religious events.

8. I waive the right of having the relationship between me and my master not purely 24/7 slavery.

9. I waive the right to a time period in which I have the ability to talk freely and openly, if not disrespectfully, about what I seriously believe about how this relationship is going, and what my master and I both could do to improve.

10. I waive the right to aftercare.

11. I waive my right to a safeword.

12. I waive all other rights I have discussed with my Master.

How long have your relationships lasted under this regime?

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RE: What the difference between Dominant and Master. - 6/12/2013 6:26:12 AM

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5. I waive the right of ceasing the relationship, or the BDSM part of the relationship between me and my master. well i seek a slave only

6. I waive the right to limits. well my limits are scat and permenet damageg, so whit in that

7. I waive the right to have my own life aside from the relationship I have with my master; this includes work, friends, studies, social events, and any family or religious events. yes i am in to TPE so yes what i want

8. I waive the right of having the relationship between me and my master not purely 24/7 slavery.only TPE slavery works for me!

9. I waive the right to a time period in which I have the ability to talk freely and openly, if not disrespectfully, about what I seriously believe about how this relationship is going, and what my master and I both could do to improve. My Master speek for me.

10. I waive the right to aftercare., i give you aftercar if i fell you need

11. I waive my right to a safeword. yes your limits are mine

12. I waive all other rights I have discussed with my Master. yes you do

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5. I waive the right of ceasing the relationship, or the BDSM part of the relationship between me and my master.

6. I waive the right to limits.

7. I waive the right to have my own life aside from the relationship I have with my master; this includes work, friends, studies, social events, and any family or religious events.

8. I waive the right of having the relationship between me and my master not purely 24/7 slavery.

9. I waive the right to a time period in which I have the ability to talk freely and openly, if not disrespectfully, about what I seriously believe about how this relationship is going, and what my master and I both could do to improve.

10. I waive the right to aftercare.

11. I waive my right to a safeword.

12. I waive all other rights I have discussed with my Master.

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RE: What the difference between Dominant and Master. - 6/12/2013 6:29:34 AM

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well id almost fall a sleep reading you profil

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RE: What the difference between Dominant and Master. - 6/12/2013 6:32:53 AM

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RE: What the difference between Dominant and Master. - 6/12/2013 6:35:33 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: hrxxx

well id almost fall a sleep reading you profil

Oh, you reminded me of another distinction. A Master has great self control. He would not stoop to cheap insults.

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RE: What the difference between Dominant and Master. - 6/12/2013 6:38:40 AM

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really wow you do not really know what a Master is really that's why this is a site for fakes !! A master is raised a Dom is self taught

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RE: What the difference between Dominant and Master. - 6/12/2013 6:39:54 AM

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I am [my] Master's slave.

We met here over 4 years ago.

His first order to me was "You never give up your right to say no".
He also gave me safe words.

He is no less a Master for doing so, but really it does not matter how you (or others) might view our dynamic.

Aftercare is part of His being a responsible Owner.

The problem with a declaration such as yours is that real life tends to get in the way and makes such rigidity very difficult to deal with.

My Master does not need a bunch of rules to be [my] Master.
He is not [my] Master because of that.
I am His slave because He has inspired me to be.

He is Master to me because He demonstrated to me time and time again that He was worthy of my trust.
He does not need a list of dictates because He has my unfailing devotion and love.

He is Master of my heart, mind, body and soul.

Your way is not wrong, it just would never work for me.

edit: add a punctuation mark and fix typo

< Message edited by angelikaJ -- 6/12/2013 6:42:22 AM >

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RE: What the difference between Dominant and Master. - 6/12/2013 6:40:49 AM

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1 Master will piss on his own legs, in order to satisfy you?

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RE: What the difference between Dominant and Master. - 6/12/2013 6:43:37 AM

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No but i think you are sub, and not a slave

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RE: What the difference between Dominant and Master. - 6/12/2013 6:45:54 AM

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please finde wher i say anyboddy is fake

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RE: What the difference between Dominant and Master. - 6/12/2013 6:47:19 AM

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IT sounds like you yourself just stepped off the Master training bus,maybe you should get your money back..I am the Master of my world and thankful every day that someone in the leather community took me under their wings so many years ago..,.Yes my friend when you earn your leathers and the title of Master then you can come back to chat with me...BOUNTYHUNTER

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RE: What the difference between Dominant and Master. - 6/12/2013 6:48:23 AM

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A safe word realy? you are sub slave don`t have safe word

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RE: What the difference between Dominant and Master. - 6/12/2013 6:48:55 AM

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What I know is this: I belong to Him.

Your opinion, as I already mentioned, does not matter.

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RE: What the difference between Dominant and Master. - 6/12/2013 6:50:20 AM

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SAY WHAT? sounds like you yourself just stepped off the Master training bus,maybe you should get your money back..I am the Master of my world and thankful every day that someone in the leather community took me under their wings so many years ago..,.Yes my friend when you earn your leathers and the title of Master then you can come back to chat with me...BOUNTYHUNTER

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RE: What the difference between Dominant and Master. - 6/12/2013 6:52:16 AM

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THATS THE THING, I DON´T CARE

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RE: What the difference between Dominant and Master. - 6/12/2013 6:57:32 AM

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I now 'get' that English is not your first language so your grammar and spelling eccentricities are more understandable.

I think you are making a very common error: clearly you are a sadist and engage in a lot of dungeon play.
So you are into the whole BDSM thing, one assumes?

M/s and BDSM are not always inclusive.

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