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tazzygirl -> RE: Collarme needs to do a better job of policing its userbase (6/13/2013 1:34:14 PM)

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What question????



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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

My question.....

How do you prove someone is fake and not deserving of an account?


http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4468013

That one.




handonyourneck -> RE: Collarme needs to do a better job of policing its userbase (6/13/2013 1:34:17 PM)


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ORIGINAL: TheLilSquaw


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ORIGINAL: handonyourneck

Seriously. How do you use a site where 95% of the messages and profile views you receive are CLEARLY spam accounts? At the very least they could flag accounts with the SAME URL in every profile description or members that claim to be "native american" and are clearly not.




I claim to be Native American because guess what.
I am.

How do you check someone's ethnicity without blood tests?



Irrelevant point. I love when people personalize unnecessarily. This obviously does not apply to you.




searching4mysir -> RE: Collarme needs to do a better job of policing its userbase (6/13/2013 1:34:48 PM)


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ORIGINAL: handonyourneck


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ORIGINAL: searching4mysir


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ORIGINAL: handonyourneck


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ORIGINAL: ThatDaveGuy69

OP: You won't get much sympathy here on the Boards. As you can see, many (most?) of the regulars have the "I got mine, screw you" and/or the "it's not an issue for me, therefore it's not a problem" mindset.

In a nutshell, fake accounts keep this place in business. And yes, it IS a business despite all the claims of volunteer staff. The more accounts the site can claim the more they can charge for all the ads you see.

I was encouraged the other day when several fake accounts appeared (each numerically incremented from the last ie: Mary1, Mary2...Mary29) and then all got removed at once. It almost makes me think someone cares. But then I see another dozen profiles pushing xxxchat.nl and I realize they don't.

About all you can do is block them before they view your profile.

Good luck with it.

~Dave



I can do one other thing, which is bring it to the attention of the community and the moderators. It's going over like gangbusters. Thanks for the understanding, though.


Neither of which have the power to do anything about collar ME (THIS side is CollarCHAT and has a different support staff).


What does that matter? Does every petitioner create a petition expecting it to reach the exact person who can effect change? I have no expectations anything will happen. I'm merely raising my voice.



OK, so you are acting like a 2 yr old having a temper tantrum, raising your voice to no one who can help you rather than actually trying to accomplish something.

Gotcha!




MisterP61 -> RE: Collarme needs to do a better job of policing its userbase (6/13/2013 1:35:42 PM)


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ORIGINAL: handonyourneck


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ORIGINAL: MisterP61


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ORIGINAL: handonyourneck


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ORIGINAL: MisterP61


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ORIGINAL: ravishers

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Why do I get the feeling that you are


lol, are you not used to the fact that more people might disagree with you..or..agree with some one else?


nope (btw you missed the rest of the why do I get the feeling that you are but meh)

I have no problem with disagreeing at all. I was an honest assessment. If you say you are not then I take that for what its worth. You didnt answer my question though so still curious as to the answer [8D]



I'm sorry, do you want us to post photos of us holding newspapers from the Netherlands (where ravishers is from) and New York (where i am from)? Would that satisfy your absurd conspiracy theory so we can move on?

Dude. Come on. really? You yourself are talking about the fakes, so are you telling me that because I say in my profile I am from lets say NY, that means I am? I know for a fact by your postings you are smarter then that.



The difference is I can prove it. I can hold up a copy of the New York Times, The Daily News, The Asbury Park Press or whatever local paper you like and it will be the same guy in my profile picture holding the paper. He can do it with whatever Dutch equivalent he has at his disposal.

Bottom line is I don't need to create additional account to support my suggestion because, again, its indisputable. Don't agree? Google "collarme fake"



OK I am also from NY and lived there for over 34 years before I joined the military. I know that you know having a picture of the NY times or a NY drivers license (please don't cause that's really not a good idea) means nothing. How many people do you know honestly who can make all the fake ID's your heart desires? All I meant was that we really have no choice to believe you are where you say you are from, but do people lie.... all the time (before you go there that is NOT what I am saying you are doing) so in reality it is up to us to weed out the fakes and move on. Yeah maybe we might be a little more cynical and non-trusting (NYers) so we have an easier time of it. It basically boils down to :buyer beware" on this site. There are numerous warning on the site to beware of those fakes and to never send them money Etc, but the fact remains is there are still people who do. You really can't stop it no matter what you do. Is your main complaint legit? Most have said yes and I agree. Can anything be done about it from our side of the website? No. Like I say, there is always someone who will find a way around it and someone else said who gets to decide exactly who is fake? Maybe someones kink is all about being fake so they make a profile that sounds fake but isn't. Just seems like it can't be done without harming others.




handonyourneck -> RE: Collarme needs to do a better job of policing its userbase (6/13/2013 1:36:26 PM)


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ORIGINAL: searching4mysir


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ORIGINAL: handonyourneck


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ORIGINAL: searching4mysir


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ORIGINAL: handonyourneck


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ORIGINAL: ThatDaveGuy69

OP: You won't get much sympathy here on the Boards. As you can see, many (most?) of the regulars have the "I got mine, screw you" and/or the "it's not an issue for me, therefore it's not a problem" mindset.

In a nutshell, fake accounts keep this place in business. And yes, it IS a business despite all the claims of volunteer staff. The more accounts the site can claim the more they can charge for all the ads you see.

I was encouraged the other day when several fake accounts appeared (each numerically incremented from the last ie: Mary1, Mary2...Mary29) and then all got removed at once. It almost makes me think someone cares. But then I see another dozen profiles pushing xxxchat.nl and I realize they don't.

About all you can do is block them before they view your profile.

Good luck with it.

~Dave



I can do one other thing, which is bring it to the attention of the community and the moderators. It's going over like gangbusters. Thanks for the understanding, though.


Neither of which have the power to do anything about collar ME (THIS side is CollarCHAT and has a different support staff).


What does that matter? Does every petitioner create a petition expecting it to reach the exact person who can effect change? I have no expectations anything will happen. I'm merely raising my voice.



OK, so you are acting like a 2 yr old having a temper tantrum, raising your voice to no one who can help you rather than actually trying to accomplish something.

Gotcha!


I guess if you want to flip it you could read it that way even though you and I both know you're just writing it that way to get a rise out of me. Nice try though.




ravishers -> RE: Collarme needs to do a better job of policing its userbase (6/13/2013 1:38:27 PM)

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OK, so you are acting like a 2 yr old having a temper tantrum, raising your voice to no one who can help you rather than actually trying to accomplish something.


all resistances once started with 1 voice
we have great examples of that lately in the news..

I wonder why so many discussion turn so personal so fast.




handonyourneck -> RE: Collarme needs to do a better job of policing its userbase (6/13/2013 1:39:10 PM)


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ORIGINAL: MisterP61


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ORIGINAL: handonyourneck


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ORIGINAL: MisterP61


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ORIGINAL: handonyourneck


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ORIGINAL: MisterP61


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ORIGINAL: ravishers

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Why do I get the feeling that you are


lol, are you not used to the fact that more people might disagree with you..or..agree with some one else?


nope (btw you missed the rest of the why do I get the feeling that you are but meh)

I have no problem with disagreeing at all. I was an honest assessment. If you say you are not then I take that for what its worth. You didnt answer my question though so still curious as to the answer [8D]



I'm sorry, do you want us to post photos of us holding newspapers from the Netherlands (where ravishers is from) and New York (where i am from)? Would that satisfy your absurd conspiracy theory so we can move on?

Dude. Come on. really? You yourself are talking about the fakes, so are you telling me that because I say in my profile I am from lets say NY, that means I am? I know for a fact by your postings you are smarter then that.



The difference is I can prove it. I can hold up a copy of the New York Times, The Daily News, The Asbury Park Press or whatever local paper you like and it will be the same guy in my profile picture holding the paper. He can do it with whatever Dutch equivalent he has at his disposal.

Bottom line is I don't need to create additional account to support my suggestion because, again, its indisputable. Don't agree? Google "collarme fake"



OK I am also from NY and lived there for over 34 years before I joined the military. I know that you know having a picture of the NY times or a NY drivers license (please don't cause that's really not a good idea) means nothing. How many people do you know honestly who can make all the fake ID's your heart desires? All I meant was that we really have no choice to believe you are where you say you are from, but do people lie.... all the time (before you go there that is NOT what I am saying you are doing) so in reality it is up to us to weed out the fakes and move on. Yeah maybe we might be a little more cynical and non-trusting (NYers) so we have an easier time of it. It basically boils down to :buyer beware" on this site. There are numerous warning on the site to beware of those fakes and to never send them money Etc, but the fact remains is there are still people who do. You really can't stop it no matter what you do. Is your main complaint legit? Most have said yes and I agree. Can anything be done about it from our side of the website? No. Like I say, there is always someone who will find a way around it and someone else said who gets to decide exactly who is fake? Maybe someones kink is all about being fake so they make a profile that sounds fake but isn't. Just seems like it can't be done without harming others.




I'm not talking about intentional fakes.


To answer TazzyGirl's question:

I'm talking about what are obviously accounts created by a bot or a group of people with clear patterns across dozens of accounts, all with similar descriptions and even the same URL in the body of the profile.

There are things that can be done about that.




tazzygirl -> RE: Collarme needs to do a better job of policing its userbase (6/13/2013 1:40:11 PM)

9 pages is fast to you? You are new. I have seen personal attacks happen in the first post. All things considering, most are very well behaved so far.




SeekingTrinity -> RE: Collarme needs to do a better job of policing its userbase (6/13/2013 1:40:20 PM)

~FRing it~

I'll be interested in seeing this keyword list that *could* be used to police the profiles programming-wise. Unless a scammer says "Im a scammer" in their profile, it's all going to come down to a subjective and arbitrary set of standards for what constitutes real people. Who's standards to determine the real-ness of someone? You, OP? You can of course come back with some snarky little jab, but the question still remains the same regardless.

When does it cease becoming someone else's responsibility to create and tailor our experiences here for us and when does the time come for each of us to take responsibility for our own experiences?

*edit: couple should have read could. Fucking iPad autocorrect bullshit




searching4mysir -> RE: Collarme needs to do a better job of policing its userbase (6/13/2013 1:41:05 PM)


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ORIGINAL: handonyourneck


I guess if you want to flip it you could read it that way even though you and I both know you're just writing it that way to get a rise out of me. Nice try though.




So what, really, is the point of complaining to a room full of strangers (both users and moderators) who do not have the capability to affect the change you are looking for, if not to have a tantrum?

Even if I agreed with you (and I don't...I think your numbers are highly inflated and I think that there are bigger problems like cheating, married men who think kinky women are easy), there is nothing that anyone here can do to change the site to fix your complaint. CollarChat may be linked to CollarMe, but they aren't really the same site and they have different staff.




LadyPact -> RE: Collarme needs to do a better job of policing its userbase (6/13/2013 1:41:35 PM)

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ORIGINAL: handonyourneck
Certainly. I will share the reasons/complaints I've encountered from clients I've done similar work for in the past.

OK. I'm going to go through these and apply them to this site.


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1) Advertisers want accurate member counts. Artificially inflating your member base can cost you money and your sites credibility.

Yes, advertisers do want that because lower numbers reduce advertising rates. Considering it is not CM itself that is behind those profiles, it's not going to do much with the business leverage. However, you're skipping a very important part of what *kind* of businesses these are and specifically the target audience for the products. I'll get to that in a sec.


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2) Fake accounts that upload images use up valuable storage and bandwidth, which cost you money.

And yet, those are the very same images that can draw people to the site in the first place. Generally males with at least some disposable income. THAT is where the advertisers make their money. Who do you think is buying the products? It's the men who get attracted to the site *because* of exactly what you are complaining about. Hot chicks.


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3) If the object of a personals site (even a BDSM one) is to grow its member base (which it is), ensuring the accounts on your site are actual people should be an integral part of your business practice. Nobody wants to invest time wading through fake accounts and fake emails.

The point of this place isn't a charity for the users. It's a business to make money both for the site and the advertisers that get customers from the ads. I can tell you that, if I owned the joint, I can already see the growth that it has experienced and experiences every single day. The new members steadily flow into this joint. The target customer base is there and comes in on a continual basis. I think you're talking ethics and I'm talking profit margin.


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4) Exposing your members to these fake accounts leaves them vulnerable to phishing and other online scams will eventually lead to site abandonment. Not everyone is savvy enough to spot them. Being party to someone getting ripped off, even unintentionally, can hurt a site's reputation.

Nah. Really not. The site doesn't particularly have a 'good' reputation in some areas and yet, it's something like the 114th on google's popularity score for the U.S. I'm going to remind you, I'm looking at this from the business aspect. Not the aspect of the users of the site.


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5) It hurts your credibility with the internet at large. I don't know any business owner who would enjoy googling his business only to find entire sites devoted to exposing the very fake accounts we're discussing here. I also don't know many business owners who would want to network their site with a site that can't keep a handle on this kind of activity. Circulation of traffic is the lifeblood of this business. I direct to you, you direct to me, we all make money.

Great in theory. Lousy in this particular practice. I've been here since 2007. Since that time, there have been several folks who thought this would be true and put up their own sites about discrediting "fakes" here. (About half of the regulars here can name at least one of them.) Hasn't even pinged the armor. Some of the major advertisers here have been here for the six years that I've been a member. The complaints about "fakes" have been around for the same time period. (Before, actually, if you search the threads from the first year.) It hasn't stopped the advertisers from buying spots because they know they get customers from this joint all the same.


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6) Fake accounts can get you blacklisted with search engines and toolbars.

Hasn't happened in ten years and it's unlikely to happen.


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Those are just off the top of my head.

OK, here's what's off of the top of My head. Most of the advertisers that are here are on venues that are specifically marketing products/sites to kinky folks, or folks who would like to be kinky. The *last* thing that I'd want to do as a business person would be to reduce the number of female profiles here unless it was a blatant attempt to drive those horny guys off to another site. That's where the revenue is generated for this place. If anything, I'd probably want *more* hot chicks because that's what gets guys here. That's where the pay off is for the advertisers. The guys buying the porn, the restraints, etc, etc. The profiles that are fake don't stop the guys from opening their wallet and buying the stuff, so until it actually impacts that, as a business, I highly doubt any of your reasons apply. They haven't in the last ten years and I'd put money on the bet that it won't in the next ten, either.





searching4mysir -> RE: Collarme needs to do a better job of policing its userbase (6/13/2013 1:42:10 PM)


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ORIGINAL: ravishers

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OK, so you are acting like a 2 yr old having a temper tantrum, raising your voice to no one who can help you rather than actually trying to accomplish something.


all resistances once started with 1 voice
we have great examples of that lately in the news..

I wonder why so many discussion turn so personal so fast.



Yes, but those voices seemed to have complained to the right people, which the OP is not doing.




tazzygirl -> RE: Collarme needs to do a better job of policing its userbase (6/13/2013 1:42:33 PM)

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To answer TazzyGirl's question:

I'm talking about what are obviously accounts created by a bot or a group of people with clear patterns across dozens of accounts, all with similar descriptions and even the same URL in the body of the profile.

There are things that can be done about that.


Many girls are now copying findomme sites. But they are on web cam and are "real" people.

So that wont work.

URL's.... some are copies. Most are not. They may seem similar. Usually I see skype and email addresses there.

Any other suggestions?




ravishers -> RE: Collarme needs to do a better job of policing its userbase (6/13/2013 1:43:31 PM)

I am far from new. ( this account just is). I used to post a lot here.

I guess I learned it sucks to get personal.
Yes..agree..nothing to harsh yet.




ravishers -> RE: Collarme needs to do a better job of policing its userbase (6/13/2013 1:45:38 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SeekingTrinity

~FRing it~

I'll be interested in seeing this keyword list that couple be used to police the profiles programming-wise. Unless a scammer says "Im a scammer" in their profile, it's all going to come down to a subjective and arbitrary set of standards for what constitutes real people. Who's standards to determine the real-ness of someone? You, OP? You can of course come back with some snarky little jab, but the question still remains the same regardless.

When does it cease becoming someone else's responsibility to create and tailor our experiences here for us and when does the time come for each of us to take responsibility for our own experiences?



Please select the problem with this profile:
Contact Information Inappropriate contact information such as a telephone number or street address
Criticism of a specific username or named person
Illegal Activities This profile contains references to illegal activities
Scammer See our Common Scams page for detailed information
Underage This profile states that the poster is underage or makes inappropriate references to an underage person
Vulgarity This profile contains excessive vulgarity

INAPPROPRIATE CONTENT IS REMOVED BY OUR AUTOMATED SYSTEM
AFTER A PREDETERMINED NUMBER OF USERS HAVE REPORTED IT
REPORTS ARE NOT MANUALLY REVIEWED
Thank you for helping make our site a better place!

edit: sorry you mean for an automated system/..sorry




searching4mysir -> RE: Collarme needs to do a better job of policing its userbase (6/13/2013 1:48:02 PM)


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ORIGINAL: ravishers


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ORIGINAL: SeekingTrinity

~FRing it~

I'll be interested in seeing this keyword list that couple be used to police the profiles programming-wise. Unless a scammer says "Im a scammer" in their profile, it's all going to come down to a subjective and arbitrary set of standards for what constitutes real people. Who's standards to determine the real-ness of someone? You, OP? You can of course come back with some snarky little jab, but the question still remains the same regardless.

When does it cease becoming someone else's responsibility to create and tailor our experiences here for us and when does the time come for each of us to take responsibility for our own experiences?



Please select the problem with this profile:
Contact Information Inappropriate contact information such as a telephone number or street address
Criticism of a specific username or named person
Illegal Activities This profile contains references to illegal activities
Scammer See our Common Scams page for detailed information
Underage This profile states that the poster is underage or makes inappropriate references to an underage person
Vulgarity This profile contains excessive vulgarity

INAPPROPRIATE CONTENT IS REMOVED BY OUR AUTOMATED SYSTEM
AFTER A PREDETERMINED NUMBER OF USERS HAVE REPORTED IT
REPORTS ARE NOT MANUALLY REVIEWED
Thank you for helping make our site a better place!



Don't forget that you can hide and block those profiles prior to reporting them so that they won't show up in your searches anymore too. That is one way in which the site allows you to tailor your searching experience.

If someone isn't willing to use the tools available, that is just a sign of laziness.




ravishers -> RE: Collarme needs to do a better job of policing its userbase (6/13/2013 1:51:22 PM)

fully agree

and I use it like you said,

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Yes, but those voices seemed to have complained to the right people, which the OP is not doing.


not sure if I see where they are now..lol
They are hunted like the OP (kinda)..some hate them..some worship them




MisterP61 -> RE: Collarme needs to do a better job of policing its userbase (6/13/2013 1:51:42 PM)


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

9 pages is fast to you? You are new. I have seen personal attacks happen in the first post. All things considering, most are very well behaved so far.

I agree tazzy. This has actually been pretty "tame" compared to some threads. I am ashamed to admit I almost started My posting on this thread with a personal attack (OK I did but I then edited it once I thought better of it) (OK once My lovely LP mentioned that its not a good idea and damnit it is hard to take the NYer out of Me sometimes). I am actually enjoying this one as shown by My larger then normal participation.




tazzygirl -> RE: Collarme needs to do a better job of policing its userbase (6/13/2013 1:53:54 PM)

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Please select the problem with this profile:
Contact Information Inappropriate contact information such as a telephone number or street address
Illegal Activities This profile contains references to illegal activities
Underage This profile states that the poster is underage or makes inappropriate references to an underage person


Obvious

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Vulgarity This profile contains excessive vulgarity


Subjective

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Scammer See our Common Scams page for detailed information


Grey area.

Which is the why the site included this page....

http://www.collarme.com/personals/scammers.htm

Please: DO NOT report scammers to our support staff!
Reporting scammers to our support staff clogs up our support system, wastes our limited resources, and does absolutely nothing to help stop the scammers. Instead of contacting support, we have a reporting system that allows you to report any message, profile, or journal entry with a few button clicks. Using the reporting system is the only helpful way to report scammers to us.


It goes on from there. They took the time to write all that, yet few read it. Not to mention, across the emails section is posted


Message Details

DO NOT SEND MONEY TO OTHER USERS FOR ANY REASON!
Read about Common Scams and Online Safety Information


With a link back to the same page I linked above.

But, if people are coming here to bitch, and not reporting those profiles, its a moot point. The system doesnt work that way. The more that report, the more likely the system will kick in




LadyPact -> RE: Collarme needs to do a better job of policing its userbase (6/13/2013 1:54:21 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SeekingTrinity
~FRing it~

I'll be interested in seeing this keyword list that couple be used to police the profiles programming-wise.

I'd be really interested in this, too. Let's test the theory.

Here are some phrases from My own profile. All are being taken out of context:

online BDSM

I do personal instruction

via the net

professional Dominant

book sessions



On a keyword search, My profile would probably take a hit. I don't know anything about programming, so I have no clue if the part about how I *don't* do those things would even register.







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