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Kaliko -> I really don't want to flounce, but... (6/23/2013 2:50:46 PM)
My fondness for CollarChat and its moderation here has varied over the years. I believe that I've shown the moderators here a certain level of respect, even when in disagreement. I know that I can't really argue the fact that they do have the ultimate control over who can post here. I know this because I've tried. My view that a site such as this really is a collaboration between users and owners is not a popular one, but it's one that I cling to. What has gotten me through my own personal frustrations about the forums here is that even if I disagree with moderators, I've never before felt they deserve my distrust or disdain. Many of you have probably surmised that Awareness* has been banned from posting. (Yes. Again.) He was put on a two month ban in late March. It's now late June and the ban hasn't been lifted, despite his communication with moderators regarding it. Whatever you may think of Awareness, he is honest - even brutally so. And that is why, though many of you may dislike what he has to say, you may admit to a certain respect for him, or at least admit to enjoying a bit of back and forth with him. And this is much how I felt about the moderators here. Though I don't often agree with them, I have really had no reason to feel they earned my disrespect. I do believe that the moderators are responsive when they can be. Which is why I am all the more disappointed to find that they've lied. I don't suppose I have a question, but I do invite comment. I mostly just wanted to air my grievance. This is small potatoes, I know. Which is why I find it even more strange that it's worthy of a lie. And if you're wondering why I took the time to write, this is why. I actually kind of like this place. *AKA TAFKAA...which, incidentally for those of you who have asked, was a name that he took because he couldn't post as Awareness. Why they allowed "TAFKAA," knowing full well who he was, but not "Awareness," seems nonsensical to me, but...I guess I am no longer surprised.

TheHeretic -> RE: I really don't want to flounce, but... (6/23/2013 2:58:02 PM)
The place is what it is. I do like the mix of people, and the asshat ratio is lower than in some other places. Maybe just go for a walk, for a while.

kdsub -> RE: I really don't want to flounce, but... (6/23/2013 3:02:48 PM)
I don't care where you walk in life there are rules and boundaries. They are different here or there but they must be learned and respected are you will be asked to leave. None of us can live in society by our own rules and should not think we have the right to do so. Butch

muhly22222 -> RE: I really don't want to flounce, but... (6/23/2013 3:39:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub I don't care where you walk in life there are rules and boundaries. They are different here or there but they must be learned and respected are you will be asked to leave. None of us can live in society by our own rules and should not think we have the right to do so. Butch I agree with this. However, it seemed like the OP was saying that the rules aren't being followed by the people in charge of enforcing them. If TAFKAA was put on a 2-month ban in March, he should have been let back in about a month ago, and they haven't done so yet. I can definitely understand the frustration when the rules aren't being followed by the people who are supposed to enforce them...I have to deal with a number of judges who operate their courts their way, the rules of jurisprudence and judicial ethics be damned. The problem you get into is one of "who's watching the watchers." On a site like CM, where the mods are volunteer, there may not be a lot of structure and oversight. A mod would have to get really bad to have something come crack down on them (I understand that HAS happened, but I haven't been around for it).

Kaliko -> RE: I really don't want to flounce, but... (6/23/2013 3:40:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub I don't care where you walk in life there are rules and boundaries. They are different here or there but they must be learned and respected are you will be asked to leave. None of us can live in society by our own rules and should not think we have the right to do so. Butch I'm not arguing that. I disagree with those rules here, and I think moderation and pretty much anyone who will listen to me knows that. The argument can be made that he brings it (being banned) on himself. (Opinions vary there, as well.) But that's not what this post is about. His restriction was for two months and has apparently become permanent without explanation. I just feel genuinely disappointed. It's a personal thing for me, I guess. With the time zone difference between myself and Awareness, CollarChat is sort of a meeting place among the continents with personalities that we both interact with. I was looking forward to his return. If we were in different circumstances, obviously it wouldn't mean as much to me. I'd much rather listen to him pontificate in person. :)

kdsub -> RE: I really don't want to flounce, but... (6/23/2013 3:49:46 PM)
quote: rules aren't being followed by the people in charge of enforcing them We don't know what is being said so we don't know if the rules are followed or not...so reason to speculate. Butch

DaddySatyr -> RE: I really don't want to flounce, but... (6/23/2013 3:50:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub I don't care where you walk in life there are rules and boundaries. They are different here or there but they must be learned and respected are you will be asked to leave. None of us can live in society by our own rules and should not think we have the right to do so. Butch If only the rules were applied consistently and fairly ... They're not and therein lies the rub. I have seen people come off a mod-assisted vacation, post something else - the next day after they're back - that gets pulled and be posting that same day. I call them "the special ones". There's quite a few of them, around. You know, to me it is really simple; if I find someone to be a recidivist name caller, or a liar by way of strawman tactics, or just generally full of shit, I just put them on ignore. But, if one person is going to be allowed to spew their idiocy, others aught to be allowed, also. Peace and comfort, Michael

kdsub -> RE: I really don't want to flounce, but... (6/23/2013 3:51:34 PM)
And because I don't know what private communications are going on no reason for me to comment either I guess. Butch

kdsub -> RE: I really don't want to flounce, but... (6/23/2013 3:52:51 PM)
quote: If only the rules were applied consistently and fairly ... They're not and therein lies the rub. First they don't have to be fair.... we don't know if they are fair...and someone will always think any rule is unfair. Butch

DaddySatyr -> RE: I really don't want to flounce, but... (6/23/2013 3:55:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub quote: If only the rules were applied consistently and fairly ... They're not and therein lies the rub. First they don't have to be fair.... we don't know if they are fair...and someone will always think any rule is unfair. Butch You're right. Inconsistency breeds a certain amount of a sense of "un-fairness". Carry on. Peace and comfort, Michael

kdsub -> RE: I really don't want to flounce, but... (6/23/2013 3:58:15 PM)
Only in those that disagree... I am not defending the moderation... just saying anyone gets plenty of warning here... if they do not pay attention they are gone.. fact of life here on the boards fair or not.

DaddySatyr -> RE: I really don't want to flounce, but... (6/23/2013 4:03:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub Only in those that disagree... I am not defending the moderation... just saying anyone gets plenty of warning here... if they do not pay attention they are gone.. fact of life here on the boards fair or not. Again, you're right of course but some people get more "warnings" than others. Others get strictly adhered to amount of warning and then, action. The "special ones" get warning after warning after warning. Then, they have some things completely overlooked. The moderation here has NEVER been consistent (that I am aware of). Let me be very clear: I am NOT defending Awareness. He's one of the people who are off in oblivion. I NEVER see his posts anymore but he's no worse than some of the "special ones" who insult and degrade with seeming impugnity. Fuck 'em. If their bullshit is acceptable; so should Awareness' be. Peace and comfort, Michael

Spiritedsub2 -> RE: I really don't want to flounce, but... (6/23/2013 4:52:31 PM)
Without a doubt some posters, specifically certain women, are permitted to be nasty without penalty while other posters like Awareness are banned. And in my opinion only, at least Awareness had views of value to read, unlike some I'm thinking of. I really like Awareness, and miss him on the forum, but I know he's certainly bright enough to know he needed to tone it down a bit to stay on here, at least until a rotation of moderators took place. I think all of us tone down things we would like to say for the sake of staying on here. I wish Awareness had chosen to do that.

freedomdwarf1 -> RE: I really don't want to flounce, but... (6/23/2013 4:54:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub Only in those that disagree... I am not defending the moderation... just saying anyone gets plenty of warning here... if they do not pay attention they are gone.. fact of life here on the boards fair or not. Not everyone gets fair warning - unluss you count 20 minutes as being "fair". Just sayin'.

SatinWhip -> RE: I really don't want to flounce, but... (6/23/2013 6:36:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kaliko My view that a site such as this really is a collaboration between users and owners is not a popular one, but it's one that I cling to. I view Collarchat and any other hosted forum (as opposed to Usenet newsgroups, for example) as being akin to having been invited into someone else's home. It's their home and they set the rules. I can understand and appreciate peoples' sense of 'ownership' in forums such as this but that doesn't change the fact that they have still essentially been invited into someone else's home. As posters we make contributions. The concept of it being a collaboration is a stretch. Having said that, if the subject was placed on a two month ban - and did not do anything behind the scenes to lengthen said ban or necessitate it being made permanent - then at the end of that two month period their posting privileges (not rights) should be reinstated. The section in italics is important. It's not a stretch for me to imagine someone getting the hook and then pushing the matter in cmail to the point of being dumped entirely.

littlewonder -> RE: I really don't want to flounce, but... (6/23/2013 6:46:07 PM)
My only assumption is that TAFKAA did something wrong and now they are rolling that on top of Awareness' 2 month ban. Other than that, no clue. Just shrug it off, continue to call and talk to each other elsewhere and get together in real life when you can until you can be together permanently. The moment you start taking this place seriously is the moment you don't take what you should be taking seriously....the rest of your life.

Powergamz1 -> RE: I really don't want to flounce, but... (6/23/2013 7:04:44 PM)
Assumes facts not in evidence. quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub Only in those that disagree... I am not defending the moderation... just saying anyone gets plenty of warning here... if they do not pay attention they are gone.. fact of life here on the boards fair or not.

Kaliko -> RE: I really don't want to flounce, but... (6/23/2013 7:06:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SatinWhip I view Collarchat and any other hosted forum (as opposed to Usenet newsgroups, for example) as being akin to having been invited into someone else's home. It's their home and they set the rules. I can understand and appreciate peoples' sense of 'ownership' in forums such as this but that doesn't change the fact that they have still essentially been invited into someone else's home. As posters we make contributions. The concept of it being a collaboration is a stretch. I've gone into it a bit more in detail on past threads. I agree, it's not quite as simple as it sounds. But there is a give and take. Businesses need customers, forums need posters, hosts need guests. One can't exist without the other. I don't subscribe to the "Love it or leave it" rule, myself. I've seen moderation here make changes as a result of our suggestions and needs. There can be, and has been, collaboration.

ShaharThorne -> RE: I really don't want to flounce, but... (6/23/2013 7:15:51 PM)
I used to moderate forums pertaining to roleplayers over 10 years ago. I had my rules and did not object if there was some polite discussions going on but if there was a drag out war, all parties got their accounts frozen until they saw the error of their way. A few people tried to say that they "killed" my character ingame except for one thing...I was in Western Civ. class. I had my assistant take care of the matter and the IP numbers were the same from 2 different people. He banned them and alerted other people that these players were cheaters.

Kaliko -> RE: I really don't want to flounce, but... (6/23/2013 7:24:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: littlewonder The moment you start taking this place seriously is the moment you don't take what you should be taking seriously....the rest of your life. Yes, of course, but I'm also not afraid to say I enjoy it here. This is a pleasurable pastime for me, such as for times like right now. The rest of the house is asleep. Awareness is at work on the other side of the world. I'm alone and getting ready for bed, but not quite there yet. "My name is Kaliko and I am a CollarChat user." :)

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