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Guns


I own a gun
  48% (36)
I don't own a gun
  16% (12)
I think law abiding citizens should be allowed to own a gun
  24% (18)
I don't think law abiding citizens should be allowed to own a gun
  10% (8)


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RE: Guns - 6/28/2006 1:30:49 PM   
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'Their press' ? I beg to ask for details.

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RE: Guns - 6/28/2006 1:32:01 PM   
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You could have said it in one post.

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RE: Guns - 6/28/2006 1:32:26 PM   
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Now you need to re-read hunnie. I never once said the uk was safe.
I said my town was safe and for general info Bradford as it states in my profile is my nearest city - i actually live in a small town miles away.

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RE: Guns - 6/28/2006 1:35:38 PM   
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Alas, however laudable concise posting may be, it is not always possible for all of us to apply such a standard, especially when we have the boiling hot red blood of conviction running through our pale British veins. Cogito ergo sum.


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RE: Guns - 6/28/2006 1:37:02 PM   
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I could yes but i choose to make informed opinions and if i feel the need to ask questions or respond to posts made to me i will.
I see nowhere that you may only make one post in a thread.
I also have to say that pulling country statistics into this is a little childish.

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RE: Guns - 6/28/2006 1:38:05 PM   
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I see you advise not to shoot to kill this is bad advice first of all. Dead men tell no tales its much better that your story be the only one told to the police. becuse the one the ciminal tells will be quite different than yours. Of course he was just in your home at 3 oclock in the morning naked w/a butcher knife becuse he was walking past and just wanted a drink of water. Also when the lawsuit happens, and it will. jurys pay less money to a dead criminals family than they do to crippled criminals. so on that note I will say better to be judged by twelve, than carried by six        

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RE: Guns - 6/28/2006 1:39:06 PM   
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good article.  I still lean toward killing my engineer stakes though.

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RE: Guns - 6/28/2006 1:43:23 PM   
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I also have to say that pulling country statistics into this is a little childish.


Heaven forbid a little light be shed on the UK statistics. As the map shows you live in the war zone.

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RE: Guns - 6/28/2006 1:43:57 PM   
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dammit where are those margaritas??

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RE: Guns - 6/28/2006 1:49:51 PM   
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I personally don't. I don't live in Bradford. Of course though Bradford has its problems mainly due to race wars. For those who dont know there is a large asian population and boy is their a lot of racism. Gun crime - yeah heard of but not on a daily basis. All countries have their problems.
Now saying this i never once brought usa statistics into my argument against the owning of guns - i could have!!
Whatever the state of gun crime in my country i still am of the opinion that guns should be illegal to citizens.

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RE: Guns - 6/28/2006 1:57:54 PM   
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ORIGINAL: missturbation

I do not believe making them illegal will keep them out of criminals hands either but i do think it would help. However small that decrease of guns stolen etc to be used to kill maim others has to be a good thing.

Only if you are looking at one side of the equation.
 
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ORIGINAL: missturbation

If you dont have much crime why do you carry a gun?

1. Why not, as it apparently does no harm
2. When sheep bite back, wolves are less likely to attack. It is probably because ordinary citizens are carrying that there is not much crime thereabouts.
 
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ORIGINAL: missturbation
it is your right to carry a gun.
Over here you can't though and i personally prefer that.

There are sheep and there are sheepdogs that guard them against the wolves. I understand your preference as a sheep not to carry a gun. I also understand that as a sheep the teeth of the sheepdogs make you nervous. But do you think it is wise to force the sheepdogs to remove their teeth? Who then will protect the sheep?
 
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ORIGINAL: missturbation

No you havent really answered my questions as is typical of someone who sees noone elses point of view.

Perhaps he doesn't, but I do. In fact, I see everyone's point of view and often some more. Do you see his and mine?
 
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Seriously, let's all agree that 1. it's naughty to kill, 2. it's bad to kill, 3. it's awful to kill, 4. guns are weapons of killing.

When argued from the point of view of a sheep that is correct.
When argued from the point of view of the wolves, the sheepdogs, the shepherd and the wildlife manager that is not correct.
I agree with 4, but I disagree with the three earlier points.
 
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5. It sux to be killed.

Quite.
 
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ORIGINAL: missturbation

6. Its gonna hurt !!

Not necessarily.
 
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how would you know it sucks to be killed rofl!!!

Simply look at the unpublished avatar Wulfchyld made of my mind. I have experienced death, and the avatar he made reflects that.
 
 
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I believe in reincarnation. *Enters the evil Genghis Kahn* Long ago in a distant land of Mongolia was a powerful man named Genghis Kahn. I was a sassy peasant that called him a pussy.

Priceless, Wulfchyld. 

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The one thing that makes invading the USA so difficult is the enemy not only has to worry about our army but a well, armed citizenry.

But most of them are in the big cities and all of those will be atom-bombed within two hours when the contemporary USA-president orders all the radars and satellite dishes to switch off during this time to remove bird droppings or something. Better evacuate the cities now. Ever wonder why all western governments keep their population locked up in the easy atom bomb target big cities, instead of dispersing them safely across the countryside where atom bombs are relatively ineffectual?

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ORIGINAL: missturbation

Ok firstly unarm citizens and the army and police would still be armed.


Are you suggesting that you trust the police, the army and the government?
Don't you know the saying that it takes a criminal to catch a criminal? That means that a large proportion of the police is made up of criminals. The government is their boss and is therefore a crime boss. The government also is the boss of the army which consists of hired killers working for a crime boss. I think that it is wiser to disarm the police, the army and the politicians. I, at least, would feel far safer if that was the case and all other citizens carried arms.
 
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Secondly rotflmfao @ the only reason u r so well defended is ur armed citizens. Do u really think that anyone planning to invade you would think oh no we cant cos joe bloggs owns a gun lololol.

Yes. More importantly: the government would think twice before they attempted genocide on their own citizens.

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Yes rights to own a gun are yours but in UK its not like that and i thank god for it.

You are thanking the wrong guy, I am afraid. It is the other guy who has disarmed you. As has been said: the way to hell and damnation is paved with high ideals.

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RE: Guns - 6/28/2006 2:11:09 PM   
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I do not believe making them illegal will keep them out of criminals hands either but i do think it would help. However small that decrease of guns stolen etc to be used to kill maim others has to be a good thing.

Only if you are looking at one side of the equation.
One side of the equation? I look at it that any way to stop murder is a good thing.
 
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ORIGINAL: missturbation

If you dont have much crime why do you carry a gun?

1. Why not, as it apparently does no harm
2. When sheep bite back, wolves are less likely to attack. It is probably because ordinary citizens are carrying that there is not much crime thereabouts.
 I beg to differ it does not harm - guns get in the wrong hands all the time.
When sheep bite back - wolves tend to reattack in a bigger pack.
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it is your right to carry a gun.
Over here you can't though and i personally prefer that.

There are sheep and there are sheepdogs that guard them against the wolves. I understand your preference as a sheep not to carry a gun. I also understand that as a sheep the teeth of the sheepdogs make you nervous. But do you think it is wise to force the sheepdogs to remove their teeth? Who then will protect the sheep?
Im not forcing any1 to do anything. I disagree with citizens having guns im not forcing any1 to give them up. Who protects me? Noone i look after myself.
 
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No you havent really answered my questions as is typical of someone who sees noone elses point of view.

Perhaps he doesn't, but I do. In fact, I see everyone's point of view and often some more. Do you see his and mine?
 I see your opinion i just dont agree with it - there is a difference.

 
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6. Its gonna hurt !!

Not necessarily.
Light hearted banter
 


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Ok firstly unarm citizens and the army and police would still be armed.


Are you suggesting that you trust the police, the army and the government?
Don't you know the saying that it takes a criminal to catch a criminal? That means that a large proportion of the police is made up of criminals. The government is their boss and is therefore a crime boss. The government also is the boss of the army which consists of hired killers working for a crime boss. I think that it is wiser to disarm the police, the army and the politicians. I, at least, would feel far safer if that was the case and all other citizens carried arms.
Im not suggesting you should trust anyone. Do i have to trust a citizen with a gun? No.
 
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Secondly rotflmfao @ the only reason u r so well defended is ur armed citizens. Do u really think that anyone planning to invade you would think oh no we cant cos joe bloggs owns a gun lololol.

Yes. More importantly: the government would think twice before they attempted genocide on their own citizens.

Would they?
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Yes rights to own a gun are yours but in UK its not like that and i thank god for it.

You are thanking the wrong guy, I am afraid. It is the other guy who has disarmed you. As has been said: the way to hell and damnation is paved with high ideals.

I dont even believe in god it was a statement. My ideals are mine and i am entitled to each and every one just as you are entitled to yours

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RE: Guns - 6/28/2006 2:46:44 PM   
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Sorry, MissTigresse, here they are, here they are. I had to nip out: was out of Jose Cuervo (who drank it all???). There! I am plonking five refreshing giant-sized martini glasses full of hilarity-inspiring liquid.

Gulp away! Cheers! Hic.

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RE: Guns - 6/28/2006 2:49:25 PM   
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Sorry, MissTigresse, here they are, here they are. I had to nip out: was out of Jose Cuervo (who drank it all???). There! I am plonking five refreshing giant-sized martini glasses full of hilarity-inspiring liquid.

Gulp away! Cheers! Hic.


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RE: Guns - 6/28/2006 3:44:50 PM   
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Having slogged through every single responce to this thread, I still feel compelled to add a few comments of my own.
 
Do I own "a" weapon?  No, I own several ranging in caliber and type from .22 varmit pistols to compressed air bb guns to .45 compitition sighted to sawed off 12 guage shotgun and pretty much everything in between as far as firearms specifically.  I also own a variety of bladed weapons ranging from a custom made knife which is part of my flight bag as a pilot, to several swords, to kitchen impliments. 
 
Will I ever give them up? Not Bloody Likely!  I enjoy target shooting.  I enjoy Compitition target shooting when I have the time for it, as a test of eye hand coordination and flat out Skill.  I enjoy Hunting - not for sport - because I LIKE the taste of Bambi, and I don't know anyplace where they're raising deer, elk, moose, or other types of venison game commercially for sale.  I ALSO enjoy protecting my OWN freedoms - not simply from those of criminal mind in the world, but from the Government. 
 
The first act of an oppressive government in modern history has inevitably been to disarm it's populace and make it illegal to own a weapon - unless you were Part of that government.  If the populace at large has nothing with which to protect itself other than begging for mercy - it's rather a cake walk to bully and harass them into compliance, now isn't it? 
 
The weapons in my house are kept in various spots - some under lock and key (primarily the truely expensive collectable pieces) some not, all of them either loaded or with ammunition handy for quick load if they're needed.  All of us in this house (there are no smalls to contend with, either living here or who might visit) know how to disassemble, clean, reassemble, load, and accurately fire any of the firearms in this house.  We grew up being taught the basics of firearm safety.  I raised my children with that Same knowledge, and the same respect for a firearm's potential and sense of personal responcibility while handling one, while they were still in my care.  I saw that as one of MY DUTIES as their parent - to teach them what to do, how to do it, and when to AND NOT TO, once they were of an age to comprehend what was being taught - just like I was. 
 
I have a concealed carry permit for my state.  I seldom use it, however I am seldom in an area where I'm going to particularly Need it, except traveling to and from the practice range or traveling to go hunting.  I do have it if I need it, though, or simply Want to carry one for whatever reason.
 
Could I shoot to kill? Absolutely - just ask the last deer that got smart mouthed with me.  Would I do so against another human being?  Absolutely - when it comes down to "him or me" I choose ME every time.  Perhaps selfish, yes, yet it's also imminantly practical.  Would I do so simply out of anger?  No, because it's much more satisfying to pick up a baseball bat and knock the living crap out of them if it comes to physical blows over mere anger.
 
I am, and always will be, a firm believer in the concept that an Armed populace is a Polite populace - and that taking weapons away from those who are law abiding is simply giving free reign to those who could care less whether they obey the law.  Kitten, while I can find a certain amount of humor in your comments about "it's naughty to kill" etc - and with the comment (I think it was you who made it) that "let's all agree that the only purpose of a gun is to kill people".... I personally prefer the statement "Guns don't kill people - PEOPLE kill people."  Missturbation, while I have no problem with you following your own heart on the matter of whether to own or not to own - that is your right - I Would ask that you consider carefully this last thought.  Why condeme the tool, rather than condeming the tool weilder?  If you happen to hear of someone getting killed because a knitting needle got rammed through their eye, are you then going to consider the knitting needle evil, and advocate them being illegal except to the government and police?

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RE: Guns - 6/28/2006 3:49:44 PM   
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Got this from the Gorean's board. Do you own a firearm? Would you? Why, or why not?



Don't own any hand guns but I do have at least fifteen {combination} assault weapons and shot guns in my possession. I purchase them for twenty-five to forty cents on the dollar during Christmas time and when property taxes are due. Once in a while I fire them on my property, but mostly I keep them around as an investment to sell when the Democrats get back into office and start talking about gun control again - The price on these assault rifles goes way up. ; }    

I personally have no use for firearms, { I don't hunt and I don't need them for protection} but I completely stand behind the second amendment and belief that every citizen should have the right to keep and bear arms. Guns are not evil; people are

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RE: Guns - 6/28/2006 3:56:56 PM   
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Good afternoon R. I have to say, I don't support the assault weapons, and I do believe in background checks (both of which drives my NRA buddies nuts LOL), but I agree with you, people pull the trigger.

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RE: Guns - 6/28/2006 8:12:19 PM   
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If anyone is interested in checking it out, we had a pretty good discussion on guns a few months ago. Here's the link:

http://www.collarchat.com/m_283958/mpage_1/key_/tm.htm#283958

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RE: Guns - 6/29/2006 9:25:10 PM   
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By Joves! We seem to have a gun infestation here! *pepper sprays them all*

Seriously, let's all agree that 1. it's naughty to kill, 2. it's bad to kill, 3. it's awful to kill, 4. guns are weapons of killing.

*curtesies* thank you all.

Have agreed with myself since 1972.


No can do, kittinSol. 
 
I do not believe in the "Sanctity of Life".  No matter how you slice it, we are animals. Just like them, there are some that are misfits and need to be culled.  Anyone who does not wish to follow the rules of the society should be taken out of it.  If they break the little laws (like shoplifting) they should be put in jail.  If they break the bigger ones - like rape, murder, etc. - they should be taken out of the gene pool.   I think that if public executions were reinstituted - more people would think twice before committing the more heinous crimes.

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RE: Guns - 6/29/2006 9:51:38 PM   
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And at the very least, those who were removed in such a manner could (a) No Longer Continue to commit the same crimes over and over again upon being released back into society and (b) their genetics would be removed completely, which would prevent any type of "nature vs nurture" questions.  Remove any obvious genetic flaws, and the only thing you're left with as an arguement is how they are raised to interact with society.
 
(Yes, I know, this is probably going to sound Terribly Heinleinian.... however... I always appreciated and agreed with the concept of a Reproductive Board before being allowed to procreate - it might actually start weeding out some of the problems that no one is willing to say "this is nature instead of nurture" - and it would definately put some controls on the already serious overcrowding problems we have on this lil mudball.)

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