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With someone's knees in your armpits, while pounding your head into the concrete with a hand covering your mouth and another hand trying to pull the pistol out of the holster pinned under your body? Really you reenacted that? Where did you find a human with 4 arms?

No reason to assume knees were in armpits, that doesn't match the forensics, nor is a four armed human needed.

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And the evidence is quite consistent in every respect that the gun was holstered until the last moment before firing, as a last resort after George screamed for help for nearly a minute.

No physical evidence exists for either of those claims.

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With someone's knees in your armpits, while pounding your head into the concrete with a hand covering your mouth and another hand trying to pull the pistol out of the holster pinned under your body? Really you reenacted that? Where did you find a human with 4 arms?

No reason to assume knees were in armpits, that doesn't match the forensics, nor is a four armed human needed.

No assumption. That is what Zimmerman claimed which is just one of the reasons honest people know Zimmerman lied.

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And the evidence is quite consistent in every respect that the gun was holstered until the last moment before firing, as a last resort after George screamed for help for nearly a minute.

No physical evidence exists for either of those claims.

Sorry but unless someone filmed it there would not be.
There is but one thing that would indicate the gun was out.
Serious case of believe whatever I have to for Zimmerman to be guilty.

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With someone's knees in your armpits, while pounding your head into the concrete with a hand covering your mouth and another hand trying to pull the pistol out of the holster pinned under your body? Really you reenacted that? Where did you find a human with 4 arms?

No reason to assume knees were in armpits, that doesn't match the forensics, nor is a four armed human needed.

No assumption. That is what Zimmerman claimed which is just one of the reasons honest people know Zimmerman lied.

The testimony of people in a fight seldom matches what happened, not because they, lie but because it gets jumbled.

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With someone's knees in your armpits, while pounding your head into the concrete with a hand covering your mouth and another hand trying to pull the pistol out of the holster pinned under your body? Really you reenacted that? Where did you find a human with 4 arms?

No reason to assume knees were in armpits, that doesn't match the forensics, nor is a four armed human needed.

No assumption. That is what Zimmerman claimed which is just one of the reasons honest people know Zimmerman lied.

The testimony of people in a fight seldom matches what happened, not because they, lie but because it gets jumbled.

All of Zimmerman's account are physically impossible and contradict each other. That is more than poor recall under stress.

For instance which was it, did Zimmerman have no choice but to shoot because he was grounded and pounded or was it because Martin had seen his weapon and tried to take it? The two versions are obviously mutually exclusive. Even after a stressful situation you'd think a man who had just killed a man would be consistent on the reason he had no choice but to kill.

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The two versions are obviously mutually exclusive

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The two versions are obviously mutually exclusive

There is nothing obvious about it unless one owns a crystal ball. And as posted repeatedly, there is a million dollars waiting at the JREF for anyone who can prove in a controlled test that they know what would have happened in the future had Zimmerman not pulled the trigger.

A million dollars that remains unclaimed for a very good reason.

Absent a crystal ball, there are multiple *possibilities*, including the possibility that Martin could have kept punching until he got in a shot that incapacitated Zimmerman, leaving him open to being killed with his own gun. Or the possibility that Martin could have simply stopped in midswing, and jumped up to run away.

Both equally unprovable. and irrefutable with facts.

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I wasn't quoting you.

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So the consensus is.

Zimmerman on bottom... being pounded, yelling for help, pulls gun shoots martin. done.

?

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All of Zimmerman's account are physically impossible and contradict each other. That is more than poor recall under stress.

For instance which was it, did Zimmerman have no choice but to shoot because he was grounded and pounded or was it because Martin had seen his weapon and tried to take it? The two versions are obviously mutually exclusive. Even after a stressful situation you'd think a man who had just killed a man would be consistent on the reason he had no choice but to kill.

I would expect him to be so shaken he didn't know what he was saying and yes it could have been both.
It took Martin's brother over a year to decide it was Martin calling for help, does that make him a liar.
After a fight your image of exactly what happened evolves. The officers on site said his inconsistences made him believable, clearly not a rehearsed statement.

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And the evidence is quite consistent in every respect that the gun was holstered until the last moment before firing, as a last resort after George screamed for help for nearly a minute.

No physical evidence exists for either of those claims.

Sorry but unless someone filmed it there would not be.
There is but one thing that would indicate the gun was out.
Serious case of believe whatever I have to for Zimmerman to be guilty.

Raikun claimed the evidence was consistent with the gun being holstered until just before firing and that Zimmerman yelled for help. There is no evidence for or against those claims which is what I said.

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All of Zimmerman's account are physically impossible and contradict each other. That is more than poor recall under stress.

For instance which was it, did Zimmerman have no choice but to shoot because he was grounded and pounded or was it because Martin had seen his weapon and tried to take it? The two versions are obviously mutually exclusive. Even after a stressful situation you'd think a man who had just killed a man would be consistent on the reason he had no choice but to kill.

I would expect him to be so shaken he didn't know what he was saying and yes it could have been both.
It took Martin's brother over a year to decide it was Martin calling for help, does that make him a liar.
After a fight your image of exactly what happened evolves. The officers on site said his inconsistences made him believable, clearly not a rehearsed statement.

Actually the detective who took his first statement wanted him charged and jailed because his statements didn't add up. The prosecutor over ruled him for an unknown reason.

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And the evidence is quite consistent in every respect that the gun was holstered until the last moment before firing, as a last resort after George screamed for help for nearly a minute.

No physical evidence exists for either of those claims.

Sorry but unless someone filmed it there would not be.
There is but one thing that would indicate the gun was out.
Serious case of believe whatever I have to for Zimmerman to be guilty.

Raikun claimed the evidence was consistent with the gun being holstered until just before firing and that Zimmerman yelled for help. There is no evidence for or against those claims which is what I said.

Lack of Trayvon's prints or DNA on the gun + Rachel never hearing Trayvon mention a gun ( and she said its her opinion George hadn't pulled it out prior to being punched) = evidence consistent with the gun being holstered until the last moment before firing.

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All of Zimmerman's account are physically impossible and contradict each other. That is more than poor recall under stress.

For instance which was it, did Zimmerman have no choice but to shoot because he was grounded and pounded or was it because Martin had seen his weapon and tried to take it? The two versions are obviously mutually exclusive. Even after a stressful situation you'd think a man who had just killed a man would be consistent on the reason he had no choice but to kill.

I would expect him to be so shaken he didn't know what he was saying and yes it could have been both.
It took Martin's brother over a year to decide it was Martin calling for help, does that make him a liar.
After a fight your image of exactly what happened evolves. The officers on site said his inconsistences made him believable, clearly not a rehearsed statement.

Actually the detective who took his first statement wanted him charged and jailed because his statements didn't add up. The prosecutor over ruled him for an unknown reason.

Actually that detective testified that he had nothing to challenge George's story with, and told the FBI that there was no evidence for an arrest, but other officers were pressuring him for an arrest.

You've already demonstrated you likely didn't watch the trial (or weren't paying attention, as evidenced by your critique of O'Mara's knock knock joke that O'Mara never made etc), I begin to wonder about how little of the evidence you're actually familiar with.

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So the consensus is.

Zimmerman on bottom... being pounded, yelling for help, pulls gun shoots martin. done.

?

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All of Zimmerman's account are physically impossible and contradict each other. That is more than poor recall under stress.

For instance which was it, did Zimmerman have no choice but to shoot because he was grounded and pounded or was it because Martin had seen his weapon and tried to take it? The two versions are obviously mutually exclusive. Even after a stressful situation you'd think a man who had just killed a man would be consistent on the reason he had no choice but to kill.

I would expect him to be so shaken he didn't know what he was saying and yes it could have been both.
It took Martin's brother over a year to decide it was Martin calling for help, does that make him a liar.
After a fight your image of exactly what happened evolves. The officers on site said his inconsistences made him believable, clearly not a rehearsed statement.

Actually the detective who took his first statement wanted him charged and jailed because his statements didn't add up. The prosecutor over ruled him for an unknown reason.

The fact remains that Zimmerman claimed two entirely separate and mutually exclusive reasons he had no choice but to kill Martin and I simply do not believe someone was pushed to the point that killing another human being was the only option but couldn't remember why less than 12 hours later. You will note that the defense did its best to ignore the "struggle over the gun" claim at trial because their own witness said it was physically impossible.

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Actually that detective testified that he had nothing to challenge George's story with, and told the FBI that there was no evidence for an arrest, but other officers were pressuring him for an arrest.

You've already demonstrated you likely didn't watch the trial (or weren't paying attention, as evidenced by your critique of O'Mara's knock knock joke that O'Mara never made etc), I begin to wonder about how little of the evidence you're actually familiar with.