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and health has nothing to do with freedom.

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ORIGINAL: ernest10

People don't go broke because of government involvement in healthcare. The basic problem we have is a for profit health care system, not the government attempting to fix a "small problem". How many stories do we read or see on TV about families going bust because a family member has a catastrophic illness. The government didn't set the prices, the hospitals do. Now it's starts to get complex. The hospitals charge these prices because as for profit entities they must, well, show a profit to the board of directors and any investors. They also have the cost of fending off unwarranted lawsuits. So frivolous litigation further pushes the prices up because they still have to make a profit. And then there are the legitimate cases of negligence which get settled out of court, or in court, and prices go highers still. And lets not forget the medications. And it's been shown time and again that medications in the US cost more than the same medication in Europe or even Canada. That's because their governments are involved in health care and negotiate fair prices for those medicines.

And yes, if everyone paid a flat rate tax, including those corporations that pay little in taxes as compared to their profits, we would not have the budget issues we have today. We all work the tax systems as best we can. To say otherwise would be disingenuous. Doesn't seem like much when it's just you and me but when it's millions of us times the large corporations, it's a lot of cash not going to programs that benefit us all.

Okay, now I have a headache. Where's my $75.00 aspirin?

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

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ORIGINAL: ernest10

People don't go broke because of government involvement in healthcare. The basic problem we have is a for profit health care system, not the government attempting to fix a "small problem". How many stories do we read or see on TV about families going bust because a family member has a catastrophic illness. The government didn't set the prices, the hospitals do. Now it's starts to get complex. The hospitals charge these prices because as for profit entities they must, well, show a profit to the board of directors and any investors. They also have the cost of fending off unwarranted lawsuits. So frivolous litigation further pushes the prices up because they still have to make a profit. And then there are the legitimate cases of negligence which get settled out of court, or in court, and prices go highers still. And lets not forget the medications. And it's been shown time and again that medications in the US cost more than the same medication in Europe or even Canada. That's because their governments are involved in health care and negotiate fair prices for those medicines.

And yes, if everyone paid a flat rate tax, including those corporations that pay little in taxes as compared to their profits, we would not have the budget issues we have today. We all work the tax systems as best we can. To say otherwise would be disingenuous. Doesn't seem like much when it's just you and me but when it's millions of us times the large corporations, it's a lot of cash not going to programs that benefit us all.

Okay, now I have a headache. Where's my $75.00 aspirin?

you are comparing one interloper system to another while I am comparing no interloper system to an interloper system.

If you want to accept that its a necessity then there is little to discuss, likewise the more money you make the more money you are able to make.
Both very simple principles.

Outlaw a drug then charge ridiculous prices plus a script requirement and doctors appointment for something that I can simply get over the counter in that backwards barbaric ME countries that well thought out americans want to impose their "democracy" on and moreover you can get any drug you want over the counter by simply walking in at 1/10th the cost for the pills you pay here.

I have not even gotten into the licensing and all the other shit the democracy IMPOSES upon the med industry. Did I say industry?

Mafia comes to mind