Collarspace Discussion Forums


Home  Login  Search 

RE: The hidden backlash…what many white Americans I know really think about race in America.


View related threads: (in this forum | in all forums)

Logged in as: Guest
 
All Forums >> [Community Discussions] >> Dungeon of Political and Religious Discussion >> RE: The hidden backlash…what many white Americans I know really think about race in America. Page: <<   < prev  3 4 5 6 [7]
Login
Message << Older Topic   Newer Topic >>
RE: The hidden backlash…what many white Americans I k... - 7/22/2013 2:41:09 PM   
truckinslave


Posts: 3897
Joined: 6/16/2004
Status: offline
Poisoners are very very sneaky

_____________________________

1. Islam and sharia are indivisible.
2. Sharia is barbaric, homophobic, violent, and inimical to the most basic Western values (including free speech and freedom of religion). (Yeah, I know: SEE: Irony 101).
ERGO: Islam has no place in America.

(in reply to metamorfosis)
Profile   Post #: 121
RE: The hidden backlash…what many white Americans I k... - 7/22/2013 2:52:04 PM   
truckinslave


Posts: 3897
Joined: 6/16/2004
Status: offline
quote:

Invest in schools


Jesus Christ am I tired of hearing that.
Some big-city school systems spend more per pupil that the per pupil cost of major (in-state) colleges.
We invest fortunes in schools now

_____________________________

1. Islam and sharia are indivisible.
2. Sharia is barbaric, homophobic, violent, and inimical to the most basic Western values (including free speech and freedom of religion). (Yeah, I know: SEE: Irony 101).
ERGO: Islam has no place in America.

(in reply to JeffBC)
Profile   Post #: 122
RE: The hidden backlash…what many white Americans I k... - 7/22/2013 2:55:51 PM   
truckinslave


Posts: 3897
Joined: 6/16/2004
Status: offline
quote:

Only those who lack either a pulse or a three digit iq believe that.


Only those who lack a three digit IQ think those who lack a pulse believe... anything.

_____________________________

1. Islam and sharia are indivisible.
2. Sharia is barbaric, homophobic, violent, and inimical to the most basic Western values (including free speech and freedom of religion). (Yeah, I know: SEE: Irony 101).
ERGO: Islam has no place in America.

(in reply to thompsonx)
Profile   Post #: 123
RE: The hidden backlash…what many white Americans I k... - 7/22/2013 3:00:42 PM   
truckinslave


Posts: 3897
Joined: 6/16/2004
Status: offline
quote:

understand why it's happening


"Why" is: different cultures.
How to change their dysfunctional culture? There are two general ways. Let's call those ways "carrots" and "sticks".
We've spent trillions and trillions on carrots.
I say it's time to bring back starvation as a reward for idleness.

_____________________________

1. Islam and sharia are indivisible.
2. Sharia is barbaric, homophobic, violent, and inimical to the most basic Western values (including free speech and freedom of religion). (Yeah, I know: SEE: Irony 101).
ERGO: Islam has no place in America.

(in reply to JeffBC)
Profile   Post #: 124
RE: The hidden backlash…what many white Americans I k... - 7/22/2013 3:21:21 PM   
chatterbox24


Posts: 2182
Joined: 1/22/2012
Status: offline
My great, great grandfather came from Scotland from nothing with nothing. THe story was potato famine, food shortage. THe truth is I don't know the whole story, other then what has been past down. He worked in the coalmines, and lived on company property, and it was considered pretty much slavery, and how safe a job you think it was back then? Its considered dangerous now, can you imagine the safety measures back then? There pretty much were none. But he worked hard and died young, and each generation, got a bit better conditions then the last, but all had to work hard so each could move up in their conditions, God willing.

There is racism in all cultures, white against black, brown against red, etc etc. Comes in all shapes and forms. For some people it doesn't even exist at all, but we live with it. No Choice.

_____________________________

I am like a box of chocolates, you never know what variety you are going to get on any given day.

My crazy smells like jasmine, cloves and cat nip.

(in reply to truckinslave)
Profile   Post #: 125
RE: The hidden backlash…what many white Americans I k... - 7/22/2013 3:54:47 PM   
DaddySatyr


Posts: 9381
Joined: 8/29/2011
From: Pittston, Pennsyltucky
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: JeffBC

I think the question being raised here (at least by some) is, "yeah, but who's fault is that?" The numbers being put forward suggest that blacks are doing this to themselves.

My personal position is that I don't care. The number you quoted is offensive to me aesthetically if for no other reason. So I want to get beyond who's fault it is and understand why it's happening and what we need to do to change it. Of course I have to laugh at myself as I say that since a willingness to engage in social engineering is one of the hallmark's of the liberal mindset. It's predictable that I'd question how we could make things better rather than hold on to the status quo.


See, but here's the thing, Jeff (and I'm not being a smart-ass): isn't part of problem solving to identify what the problem is?

If we go with: " 'The Man' is trying to keep the brothers down" and it turns out that 'The Man' is doing no such thing, haven't we just wasted yet more time?

The numbers suggest that the only "fault" of this situation is that there's a war amongst the black community.

Yes, there are no jobs. There's no jobs for anyone; it's not just black people.

Yes, there's drugs. Drugs are a choice. Surely, drug dealers don't say: "I'm only going to sell to black people" (Suddenly, the "sit down" scene from The Godfather just flashed through my mind).

Education? Seriously? We've been throwing trillions of dollars at a failed education system in this country for well over 40 years. I can't believe the answer is to throw more money at it (at least, in the same way). And frankly, I'm sick of being called "racist" because I point out the failure of education policy in this country and refuse to co-sign continuing more of the same insanity.

Now, I think you know me well enough to know that I have no love for the government and I wonder if getting the fed out of education might not be a good idea but, at this point, as long as it isn't the same ol' thing, I'd be willing to listen about education reform.

But, I am sick to death of being blamed for the failures in the black community which I have had nothing to do with. When my eldest son was growing up, we lived in a neighborhood that had to be 60% non-white (Hell, my eldest wasn't white). I offered to coach the little league team or there wasn't going to be one.

I had 15 kids on that team and all but two were white (my son didn't identify as white but since he was my son, a case could be made that only 1.5 weren't white) in a neighborhood that was 60% non-white. Why was that? Well, I can tell you what my son was told. It was because organized sports with white dudes wasn't "cool".

There's a "separatist" attitude that permeates. There's a desire for division. It's why assholes like Sharpton and Jackson can ply their trade; because there's a market for it. Just like any business.

The answers aren't just going to walk up and introduce themselves but both "sides" have to start identifying the problem and then, set about fixing it.



Power to the people,



Malcolm X


< Message edited by DaddySatyr -- 7/22/2013 4:28:46 PM >


_____________________________

A Stone in My Shoe

Screen captures (and pissing on shadows) still RULE! Ya feel me?

"For that which I love, I will do horrible things"

(in reply to JeffBC)
Profile   Post #: 126
RE: The hidden backlash…what many white Americans I k... - 7/22/2013 4:16:09 PM   
JeffBC


Posts: 5799
Joined: 2/12/2012
From: Canada
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr
The answers aren't just going to walk up and introduce themselves but both "sides" have to start identifying the problem and then, set about fixing it.

I'm totally with you. I have no interest in "fault" or "blame" (on either side) but I have a TON of interest in an actual analysis of the I'm sure myriad systems which are happening here to reinforce a bad situation. I'd even be open to a genetics-based "blacks are just lazy hoodlums" discussion if someone had such science to back it up. ROFL, I'd even be willing to act on the obvious conclusions of such science. But at least for now I'm more inclined to go with socio-economic drivers and I want to dig into those and figure out if it's possible to break the chain and if so, where are the right leverage points.

"Let them all rot in jail" seems like an unlikely solution to me as does "let them starve in the streets". If I was Emperor and one of my advisers brought either of those two to my desk they wouldn't be my adviser for long.

_____________________________

I'm a lover of "what is", not because I'm a spiritual person, but because it hurts when I argue with reality. -- Bryon Katie
"You're humbly arrogant" -- sunshinemiss
officially a member of the K Crowd

(in reply to DaddySatyr)
Profile   Post #: 127
RE: The hidden backlash…what many white Americans I k... - 7/22/2013 4:47:45 PM   
DaddySatyr


Posts: 9381
Joined: 8/29/2011
From: Pittston, Pennsyltucky
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: JeffBC

quote:

ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr
The answers aren't just going to walk up and introduce themselves but both "sides" have to start identifying the problem and then, set about fixing it.

I'm totally with you. I have no interest in "fault" or "blame" (on either side) but I have a TON of interest in an actual analysis of the I'm sure myriad systems which are happening here to reinforce a bad situation. I'd even be open to a genetics-based "blacks are just lazy hoodlums" discussion if someone had such science to back it up. ROFL, I'd even be willing to act on the obvious conclusions of such science. But at least for now I'm more inclined to go with socio-economic drivers and I want to dig into those and figure out if it's possible to break the chain and if so, where are the right leverage points.

"Let them all rot in jail" seems like an unlikely solution to me as does "let them starve in the streets". If I was Emperor and one of my advisers brought either of those two to my desk they wouldn't be my adviser for long.


And I'd be willing to listen to "It's the white guys' fault" if it wasn't followed by "ALL white people are racist" because it just simply isn't true.

Someone from the site sent me a link to a story about Aaron Osmond (yes that Osmond family) wanting to eliminate the compulsory schooling.

Before I looked at the link, I told them that the idea didn't sound like a good one from the out-set but I would look.

Well, after reading the article presented, I am even more against eliminating compulsory schooling. What purpose would it serve? Surely, we owe it to ourselves to make sure that our progeny can read, write, add, etc. at some level of proficiency?

I have paid more than my fair share in taxes. My children didn't go to schools that were any better than anyone else's schools (until I doubled-down and paid my local school taxes and their tuition to a private school). So, essentially, I paid for everyone else's kids to go to school and then, paid extra for my kids because I wanted to give them an extra advantage in this world and I worked my ass off to do it.

I'm not complaining. It was my job, as a parent and a citizen.

But, let's look at how to children (and some adults), education gets a lot of lip service publicly but there's a portion of people that are apethetic about it (I know from whence I speak. My youngest is a drop out).

We bussed kids from "poor schools" to "rich schools" in the 60s and 70s. Did things improve? Fuck no!

My uncle was a college professor and Assistant Dean (for a time) at Manhattan College in the Bronx. in the mid 70s, he was telling us how his new students were having to go into remedial reading and math classes. Foreign students aside, WTF is up with that? High School graduates that can't read at a 6th grade level? How about we end "social promotion" and stop worrying about little Johnny's feelings and start worrying about his future?

The whole fucking education thing is a mess and (IMO) needs to be gutted and re-started.



Study hard,



Bill Gates


< Message edited by DaddySatyr -- 7/22/2013 4:52:53 PM >


_____________________________

A Stone in My Shoe

Screen captures (and pissing on shadows) still RULE! Ya feel me?

"For that which I love, I will do horrible things"

(in reply to JeffBC)
Profile   Post #: 128
RE: The hidden backlash…what many white Americans I k... - 7/22/2013 5:12:39 PM   
thompsonx


Posts: 23322
Joined: 10/1/2006
Status: offline
quote:

I absolutely agree that drug sentencing is racially biased ... except ... If you know that powder cocaine carries lesser penalties, why would you continue to sell/use crack? To make a point?

Perhaps from an ethical point of view...crack being the less adulterated product.

quote:

I don't use drugs and haven't had anything heavier than an aspirin in 25 years (or more).


The pdr will confirm that the only analgesic(pain killer) more powerful than asprin are the opiats.

(in reply to DaddySatyr)
Profile   Post #: 129
RE: The hidden backlash…what many white Americans I k... - 7/22/2013 5:18:06 PM   
thompsonx


Posts: 23322
Joined: 10/1/2006
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: truckinslave

quote:

Invest in schools


Jesus Christ am I tired of hearing that.
Some big-city school systems spend more per pupil that the per pupil cost of major (in-state) colleges.
We invest fortunes in schools now

Any validation for this ignorant peurile opinion?

(in reply to truckinslave)
Profile   Post #: 130
RE: The hidden backlash…what many white Americans I k... - 7/22/2013 5:21:10 PM   
thompsonx


Posts: 23322
Joined: 10/1/2006
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: truckinslave

quote:

Only those who lack either a pulse or a three digit iq believe that.


Only those who lack a three digit IQ think those who lack a pulse believe... anything.


Have you been lying about being a christian?Don't dead christians go to hell or some other place to be with their imaginary friend or his enemies?

(in reply to truckinslave)
Profile   Post #: 131
RE: The hidden backlash…what many white Americans I k... - 7/22/2013 7:51:23 PM   
truckinslave


Posts: 3897
Joined: 6/16/2004
Status: offline
http://www.cato.org/blog/real-cost-public-schools

http://www.education.nh.gov/data/documents/cost_pup11_12.pdf

http://www.njspotlight.com/stories/13/04/11/mapping-school-spending/


Google is your friend


_____________________________

1. Islam and sharia are indivisible.
2. Sharia is barbaric, homophobic, violent, and inimical to the most basic Western values (including free speech and freedom of religion). (Yeah, I know: SEE: Irony 101).
ERGO: Islam has no place in America.

(in reply to thompsonx)
Profile   Post #: 132
RE: The hidden backlash…what many white Americans I k... - 7/22/2013 7:58:09 PM   
DaddySatyr


Posts: 9381
Joined: 8/29/2011
From: Pittston, Pennsyltucky
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: truckinslave

Google is your friend



I wondered why they sent me an e-card for my birthday.



Regards,



Steve Jobs


_____________________________

A Stone in My Shoe

Screen captures (and pissing on shadows) still RULE! Ya feel me?

"For that which I love, I will do horrible things"

(in reply to truckinslave)
Profile   Post #: 133
Page:   <<   < prev  3 4 5 6 [7]
All Forums >> [Community Discussions] >> Dungeon of Political and Religious Discussion >> RE: The hidden backlash…what many white Americans I know really think about race in America. Page: <<   < prev  3 4 5 6 [7]
Jump to:





New Messages No New Messages
Hot Topic w/ New Messages Hot Topic w/o New Messages
Locked w/ New Messages Locked w/o New Messages
 Post New Thread
 Reply to Message
 Post New Poll
 Submit Vote
 Delete My Own Post
 Delete My Own Thread
 Rate Posts




Collarchat.com © 2025
Terms of Service Privacy Policy Spam Policy

0.094