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RE: I'm very new and very confused - 8/7/2013 8:45:36 AM   
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If its real, I still feel a little foolish for thinking my responses on the cmmb will make any difference or that I even know what to say.

Yeah, no joke. The very dictionary definition of "over my pay grade". But if it's real then we are who is here right now... as inadequate as that may be and the best we can do is encourage her to get out and get pro help.

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RE: I'm very new and very confused - 8/7/2013 9:03:47 AM   
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My mother never managed to get out, oh she left my dad when I was 10. It took him really trying to kill her the night he was screaming and breaking all the furniture so she called the police. Typical small town cops in the 80's said oh come on now stop pissing him off and be a good little wife. So all that did was enrage him and escalate things. So even though she got out it didn't change much for her, she still manages to find the biggest asshole and date him. I would say it is because that is what she grew up with and what she knows, but I grew up with it, yet I am not in an abusive marriage. Hell my husband will not even yell at me. So I have no clue what makes some go for the abusive types.

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RE: I'm very new and very confused - 8/7/2013 12:45:24 PM   
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Wow! Just.....wow!

I'm late to this thread, and I am blown away by what I've read so far (I admit that I stopped reading after the first page).

Sheela, your boyfriend/Dom sounds like a selfish, insensitive jerk. No offense, but he does.

He seems to have forced BDSM on you without a real discussion about it. He forced masochism on you, even though you don't sound like a masochist. He forces un-lubed anal sex on you even though you don't enjoy it.

Frankly, you sound like a victim. It sounds like he's taking advantage of you because of your youth. And you seem to think that you "love" him, despite behaviors that are clearly abusive. You seem to be too young and inexperienced to know what a "good" relationship actually feels like. There are more red flags in your story than I care to talk about.

Be careful. Be VERY careful.

Like I said, he sounds like a selfish prick. But you obviously like.....I mean "LOVE" selfish pricks.

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RE: I'm very new and very confused - 8/7/2013 5:27:16 PM   
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- I did find the forum at Yahoo Answer. If you don't believe me , go to Yahoo Answer, type Active BDSM Forum relationship and see how many times this websites shows up
- I kept coming back because I thought for the first time I can talk to people without being judged
-I'm sorry I didnt take your break up advice. It's not that easy. I sacrificed so much for this relationship soI want to try everything I can to make it work before giving up on him. I know it's strange but I'm not ready to leave him yet..
-I talked to him last night after the dinner. I told him that I was hurt and I didn't enjoy it. He said that I'm stressed out about the move hence I'm over reacting and I can't decide based on one experience. He said it was a such huge turn on when he saw me tolerating the pain for him. I told him that I can never say no to him but I'm asking him to slow down temporary and put it on hold until I'm ready and then maybe try new things one thing at a time. He got really disappointed but said "fine, let me know when you are ready". I thought everything went well. I tried to koss and cuddle with him in bed like we do every night before sleep but he stopped me and said he was tired. Today is his day off and we were supposed to spend the day together. I tried to be playful in the morning and even tried to go down on him but again he stopped me . He took a shower, got dressed and went out. At this point, I'm gonna give him so space so he cools down



The bolded parts are red flags for you (which you will ignore, just like the rest of the thread)

He claims to be a Dominant. Someone in control of himself and his relationship, and in one evening he:

1) invalidated your feelings

2) Was disappointed rather than understanding

3) pouted because you're not doing what he wants

4) Needs to cool down


Can you not see what Oside is pointing out? The reason you didn't enjoy it wasn't because he did anything wrong, your lack of enjoyment was your own fault. He agrees to slow down but withdraws all intimaacy as punishment so you feel bad and agree to what he wants.

We ALL get that breaking up with him isn't necessarily easy. But look at the writing on the wall and ask if this is what you want from life. If its not well....

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RE: I'm very new and very confused - 8/7/2013 7:43:02 PM   
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I don't think you love him. I think you feel ashamed that you left everything behind for this man and you're too ashamed to admit it, especially to your own family..your mother who you hate and you say she will say nasty things about you and a father who is not there for you (this is where your daddy issues arise from). I think you're afraid to admit that you made a big mistake.

But ya know...suck it up, leave him and start your life over again. Pick up the pieces. Find a job you enjoy, go back to school and find new friends or move back home if you feel that is what you need. I mean what is there exactly to love about your boyfriend? He's passive aggressive, is a bigot, hates your friends, physically and mentally abuses you. But you said he also hasn't called or come home and you can't reach him. That right there means it's over. I'm thinking he's either not coming back or he's found someone else already or he's sitting in a bar getting drunk which I have a feeling is something he does often, especially when he's mad.

You say you have a college degree so you can't be stupid. You should know all this already. Stop trying to fool yourself.


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RE: I'm very new and very confused - 8/7/2013 8:04:22 PM   
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I don't think you love him. I think you feel ashamed that you left everything behind for this man and you're too ashamed to admit it, especially to your own family..your mother who you hate and you say she will say nasty things about you and a father who is not there for you (this is where your daddy issues arise from). I think you're afraid to admit that you made a big mistake.

But ya know...suck it up, leave him and start your life over again. Pick up the pieces. Find a job you enjoy, go back to school and find new friends or move back home if you feel that is what you need. I mean what is there exactly to love about your boyfriend? He's passive aggressive, is a bigot, hates your friends, physically and mentally abuses you. But you said he also hasn't called or come home and you can't reach him. That right there means it's over. I'm thinking he's either not coming back or he's found someone else already or he's sitting in a bar getting drunk which I have a feeling is something he does often, especially when he's mad.

You say you have a college degree so you can't be stupid. You should know all this already. Stop trying to fool yourself.



No, I really do love him. I agree we are going through a rough time. And yes he drinks a little extra when he is stressed out. I wrote him a long email last night before going to bed. I guess he read when he came home because he started cuddling with me in the morning and begged me not to leave. He promised to communicate more asked me instead not to judge based on one experience. I told him as long as he doesn't make me bleed and taking it slow I'm okay with it. I also told him if things don't get better by September I'll leave. Hopefully he will stick to his promise. Thank you so much for all your help.

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RE: I'm very new and very confused - 8/7/2013 8:07:12 PM   
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ORIGINAL: littlewonder

I don't think you love him. I think you feel ashamed that you left everything behind for this man and you're too ashamed to admit it, especially to your own family..your mother who you hate and you say she will say nasty things about you and a father who is not there for you (this is where your daddy issues arise from). I think you're afraid to admit that you made a big mistake.

But ya know...suck it up, leave him and start your life over again. Pick up the pieces. Find a job you enjoy, go back to school and find new friends or move back home if you feel that is what you need. I mean what is there exactly to love about your boyfriend? He's passive aggressive, is a bigot, hates your friends, physically and mentally abuses you. But you said he also hasn't called or come home and you can't reach him. That right there means it's over. I'm thinking he's either not coming back or he's found someone else already or he's sitting in a bar getting drunk which I have a feeling is something he does often, especially when he's mad.

You say you have a college degree so you can't be stupid. You should know all this already. Stop trying to fool yourself.



No, I really do love him. I agree we are going through a rough time. And yes he drinks a little extra when he is stressed out. I wrote him a long email last night before going to bed. I guess he read when he came home because he started cuddling with me in the morning and begged me not to leave. He promised to communicate more asked me instead not to judge based on one experience. I told him as long as he doesn't make me bleed and taking it slow I'm okay with it. I also told him if things don't get better by September I'll leave. Hopefully he will stick to his promise. Thank you so much for all your help.


And if things get better by September, but then regress, you can still leave. You always have that option.

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RE: I'm very new and very confused - 8/7/2013 8:13:12 PM   
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How's it going with getting the school transfer done and another job?

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RE: I'm very new and very confused - 8/7/2013 8:19:18 PM   
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How's it going with getting the school transfer done and another job?


Right now? School starts in September ( well, if I move back I will miss a semester yet again ugh!! ) . I'm currently looking for a new job

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RE: I'm very new and very confused - 8/7/2013 8:45:34 PM   
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Sheela, I just want to say, I'm sorry I called you a liar, etc. I really wish I could take it back. I wish you peace.

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RE: I'm very new and very confused - 8/7/2013 9:26:37 PM   
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How's it going with getting the school transfer done and another job?


Right now? School starts in September ( well, if I move back I will miss a semester yet again ugh!! ) . I'm currently looking for a new job


Great. Put aside some money then since you may not be leaving immediately for when you need it, and the school will provide you with a support system and friends. Even if this man were the best person in the world, he shouldn't be the focus of your life.

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RE: I'm very new and very confused - 8/7/2013 10:04:30 PM   
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I still feel a little foolish for thinking my responses on the cmmb will make any difference or that I even know what to say.


They make a difference, even if it's just planting a very tiny seed that takes years to cultivate.

Having been in a bad situation, both the advice and the criticisms had a subtle affect. The advice was rejected but stayed with me. The criticisms chipped away at an already poor esteem.

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RE: I'm very new and very confused - 8/8/2013 1:50:25 AM   
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I'm neither a sock nor a mod, and this sounds real to me. I don't know for sure. But I would rather try to help than ignore what may be a genuine need for help.



It sounds unreal only because it is classic.

1. She meets him online. He is charming, convincing, and very appealing from a distance.
2. She moves a distance and immediately to live with him.
3. She has no one to ask questions of about what he is doing. He knew that would be the case, in advance.
4. She cannot immediately get away from him, and he knows that.
5. His behavior suddenly changes, now he is demanding and controlling, without her consent.
6. She objects.
7. Her objections are overruled. The unwanted behavior continues.
8. She realizes she is trapped in her suffering because of several things: she is attached to him, loves him, and although it becomes slowly clearer to her he does not really love her but played the role for a while to win her heart, he never loved her. This is hard to accept. Secondly, she has commitments to school, work, or other people that hold her in place until she can make other arrangements.

Some people - this happens with the genders reversed too, but not as commonly - at this point bail out. They had a secret plan in case something went horribly wrong. They gather up their things and take a bus ride back to where they came from, for example.

Some people, at this point, go to the cops. Women get raped, or beaten badly, and take it to the police. Severe enough injury trumps all other considerations and she "wakes up". Guys leave behind possessions and hit the road.

Some people ride it out for a period of time, until they can physically leave.

The longer you stay, the more likely you are to become seduced into believing you deserve what you get, or, that this is normal, or, that you really want this abuse, or some combination of these. You come to believe a lie. This is Gaslighting.



Pony groom hit the nail on the head. Been there, done that. it's not as simple to get away as it sounds so donw berate her for not doing so. At least she tried talking to him.

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RE: I'm very new and very confused - 8/8/2013 7:46:06 AM   
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I always love the crowd that blames the op for a situation and loses patience because she doesn't accept their advice and views. It's been 3 days and some folks expect Sheila to have already flown home to her dad, leaving the man she professes to love.


Agreed. This is typical behavior from most people in general though. If cops and family members help a woman in an abusive situation and then she goes back (especially if it happens more than once that she leaves and returns), they have the same reaction. "She must like it" or "she must want it" or "she is never really going to leave so why bother helping her again?"

I managed a domestic violence shelter for almost five years and I heard law enforcement, court personnel and plenty of family members of our residents say these very things. I can remember (at that time, in the mid-late 90's), my boss would quote the statement that "on average, a woman leaves and returns to an abuser an average of seven times before finally making the decision to stay gone." That's a lot of leaving and going back to get to where she wants to be.

People get fed up quickly when they give what they think is great advice and good help and they feel it's not accepted or appreciated. "Why won't this person just do what I say? I know what's best for her?" Maybe we do know what's best (in general) for people but getting to the point where you're ready to act on that advice and stand firm can take many years. I was married to my ex-husband for ten years. It was an abusive and toxic, co-dependent relationship and I left and returned several times. My family couldn't understand but thank heaven they never washed their hands of me or got tired of me waiting to do what they thought was best. It took a lot of years but I finally got ready to make the break. It was tough and took me a year or two to really still not hurt about "abandoning" him. I know it's not easy by any means.

luci

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RE: I'm very new and very confused - 8/8/2013 8:09:30 AM   
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I guess he read when he came home because he started cuddling with me in the morning and begged me not to leave. He promised to communicate more asked me instead not to judge based on one experience.
Which is also a typical abusers response. They apologize profusely and swear they'll do better and never do it again.

Please remember that what he says does not matter. His actions are what counts.


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RE: I'm very new and very confused - 8/8/2013 8:14:26 AM   
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Maybe it's just me but I have never understood why it takes people sooo long to realise things just "aren't right" and they need to do something about it.
It shouldn't take years for the penny to drop; not even months or weeks.
Maybe a few hours of reflection or possibly a day or two and that would be my limit.
If more than the odd one or two people pointed out the obvious to me, I'd mull it over and make a decision very swiftly.
I wouldn't want to be sitting in a boiling pot of oil any longer than I needed to be.
But I guess that's just how I work and I do get very frustrated whern others just don't see it.


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RE: I'm very new and very confused - 8/8/2013 8:19:15 AM   
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It takes so long b/c the abuser/victim relationship requires two people who are co-dependent in complimentary ways.

To a certain extent, the OP is a consensual victim, she chose her abuser specifically b/c she's a victim, and it's that victim mentality that she has to correct before she will have what it takes to leave.

It can be hard to understand unless you have lived it and/or seen it in friends or family.

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RE: I'm very new and very confused - 8/8/2013 8:23:26 AM   
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If more than the odd one or two people pointed out the obvious to me, I'd mull it over and make a decision very swiftly.
I wouldn't want to be sitting in a boiling pot of oil any longer than I needed to be.
But I guess that's just how I work and I do get very frustrated whern others just don't see it.




It's just not always that easy. There's a bunch of personality traits combined with some psychological issues that play into this. It's usually co-dependency, self-esteem, craving to feel love and a feeling of embarrassment of being "one of those women" . Abusers look for those personalities and issues.

For someone that fits that profile, an abusive relationship plays on your fears, shames and when the abuser is apologetic...feeds the cravings for feeling loved. It feels like you can never get out and that first step to leave is really hard.

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RE: I'm very new and very confused - 8/8/2013 8:23:34 AM   
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I guess he read when he came home because he started cuddling with me in the morning and begged me not to leave. He promised to communicate more asked me instead not to judge based on one experience.
Which is also a typical abusers response. They apologize profusely and swear they'll do better and never do it again.

Please remember that what he says does not matter. His actions are what counts.


And from your posts Sheela, it was more than just the once.
You complained about it but he still did it - knowing that it hurt you.

That isn't just "one" experience.
As OG said - his actions speak far louder than any words.
And, I might also throw in a another saying - "A leopard never changes it's spots".
He isn't going to change otherwise he would have stopped instantly at the first mention that you didn't like it.

It seems to me that he is a typical abuser with the typical excuses and you are the very typical abused person with typical excuses and responses.
OG is qualified to make these judgements and I would take notice of what she has said.
The fact that others also agree with it should have big alarm bells ringing for you.

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RE: I'm very new and very confused - 8/8/2013 8:40:28 AM   
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Also, let's be blunt. From everything you've said, your best friend has done far more for you then your boyfriend ever will. And you've repaid him by treating him like shit. Have you considered whether your priority should be making up for that before it's too late?

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