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RE: What kind of kink is this, if it is kink? - 8/12/2013 9:34:28 PM   
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Don't do that. Don't take the "I was being stupid" out. It cheapens you. Fucking stand up for yourself.

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RE: What kind of kink is this, if it is kink? - 8/13/2013 10:56:31 AM   
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ORIGINAL: metamorfosis

I didn't say you were dense. And I didn't understand what "fire and sword" meant, either.


I didn't say you said I was being dense. I said it myself. And "fire and sword" means killing and burning. It's not a metaphor, It's just an historical fact. It has been a while sine the Catholics burned anyone at the stake. But that doesn't change the fact that killing people who think outside the Catholic box is how the Catholics attained primacy.

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ORIGINAL: metamorfosis

Don't do that. Don't take the "I was being stupid" out. It cheapens you. Fucking stand up for yourself.


Here you are mistaken. Refusing to say "I was being stupid" would make me less. If I refused to admit when I'm wrong, I would have to defend my stupidity.

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RE: What kind of kink is this, if it is kink? - 8/13/2013 11:02:15 AM   
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Here you are mistaken. Refusing to say "I was being stupid" would make me less. If I refused to admit when I'm wrong, I would have to defend my stupidity.


Here you are mistaken. Saying "I was wrong" is not the same as saying "I was being stupid".


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RE: What kind of kink is this, if it is kink? - 8/13/2013 11:05:48 AM   
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It isn't?

Well, bugger me with a fish fork.

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RE: What kind of kink is this, if it is kink? - 8/13/2013 11:26:47 AM   
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Okay. Shall we call it a date?

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RE: What kind of kink is this, if it is kink? - 8/14/2013 3:37:52 PM   
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Yes, I have encountered quite a few dominants who want all of the privileges of being a Dom and none of the responsibilities.


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RE: What kind of kink is this, if it is kink? - 8/14/2013 8:00:08 PM   
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It's a justification, at least for some.

This actually is a real kink with real people following it. As has been mentioned, there are actually quite a few subculture groups which fall under of the umbrella of what I'd call Christian BDSM.

Taken in Hand is one term for it. Christian Domestic Discipline is another. As the primary social venue for these groups is the internet, you can easily do some personal research by Googling these terms and peering into some of their message boards. Almost all of them follow the same general rubric: a conventional family in which the "Head of Household" (typically a patriarchal male) requires total obedience and/or domestic servitude from their spouse. This dominance is enforced with corporal punishment, usually of the more vanilla varieties. As these individuals are often outwardly devout Christians, they prefer to avoid the overt trappings of kink, so it tends to be restricted to spanking with a hand, paddle, or switch, or whipping with a belt. That's at least the stuff they talk about openly, anyway.

I have a bit of an academic interest in the field of human sexuality, specifically some of the fringe sexual subcultures on the internet. You know, the kind of people who make the BDSM community seem "mainstream." So out of curiosity, I've actually read quite a few of the conversations between these people, trying to figure out what makes them tick. I've found a few interesting patterns. What's most noteworthy to me is that they have far more in common with us than we realize, or they admit. When you actually listen to what some of the wives post (DD-relationships are almost invariably male-dominated), their discussions of their emotional drives are very similar to what many lifestyle femsubs post. Also interesting is how often it's the female partner who pushes for the man to dominate her. In fact, by my estimation (admittedly based on personal observation of anecdotes), the majority of these types of relationships are initiated by submissive women who may or may not have truly dominant partners. So rather than a form of oppression by misogynistic patriarchs, it's more often a pretext for God-fearing women to get their submissive drives satisfied. The converse does happen, but it rarely seems forced. From what I can tell, it's almost never a means of forcing unwanted BDSM activities. Rather, for both parties, the pretext that such relationships are ordained by God really just seems a means of mitigating guilt over having a desire for unconventional sexual activity and power dynamics.

As an interesting side note, I _have_ observed a tiny number of openly female-lead relationships following the Taken in Hand rubric posting on CDD boards. Such couples are _usually_ ostracized or rejected by most in these communities, but some people and places are actually accepting of this. As time passes, also, some couples seem to be openly peering a bit further into the "conventional" BDSM world, in terms of the implements they use. So there's a very limited degree of convergence toward typical BDSM norms.

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