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Shellie Zimmerman say she feels alone. - 8/29/2013 7:38:07 AM

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Shellie Zimmerman pleaded guilty to perjury charges (someone I recalled said she would be acquitted). She further admit George got her to lie about the money. George did not show up to support her in court.

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RE: Shellie Zimmerman say she feels alone. - 8/29/2013 7:56:24 AM

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I'd be willing to bet a nickel (and I'm not a gambling man) that her attornies didn't want George within a country mile of that court preceding.

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RE: Shellie Zimmerman say she feels alone. - 8/29/2013 9:04:53 AM

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He has dumped her sorry ass the minute his trial was over.. the fact he was speeding in TX (a considerable distance from FL) and he was alone, no wifey with him.. means that marriage is dead.. kaput.. over.. He used her, his family knows it, the whole freakin world knows it.. she should wake up and smell the (dead) roses already..

Oh yeah,.. and Zimmy's lawyers aren't too happy with him either.. he toured the Kel-Tec gun factory (the mfrs of the gun that killed Martin) including a photo-op!.. the lawyers say they him doing that doesn't give the right public image.. (duh.. understatement!!!!).. Zimmy is a crack-pot and will use anyone to get what he wants.. he doesn't give a shite about anyone but himself.. his lawyers should know that simply by how he dumped his first lawyer when they came along.. Who knows, maybe Zimmy has a new girlfriend that likes dumb-as-a-brick nutbars like him and he just hasn't gotten around to tell the wifey to FO yet..

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RE: Shellie Zimmerman say she feels alone. - 8/29/2013 9:53:33 AM

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She is alone. She picked the wrong guy to perjure herself for.
Live and learn, Shellie.

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RE: Shellie Zimmerman say she feels alone. - 8/29/2013 10:03:00 AM

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I'd be willing to bet a nickel (and I'm not a gambling man) that her attornies didn't want George within a country mile of that court preceding.

Indeed.

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RE: Shellie Zimmerman say she feels alone. - 8/29/2013 10:27:10 AM

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She is alone. She picked the wrong guy to perjure herself for.
Live and learn, Shellie.

well,.. I dunno.. is any guy worth doing that for?

I would say not.. any guy that tells you to, expects you to, or assumes you will should lie under oath in front of a judge to save his sorry butt should give any female plenty reason to run away from him as fast as possible.. after all, where does it say in the wedding vows that you will go to jail for the dude?

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RE: Shellie Zimmerman say she feels alone. - 8/29/2013 10:35:46 AM

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George is soon going to be making a nice living on the ultra right wing crazy speaking circuit. His soon to be ex wife will change her name and hope she can leave it behind her.

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RE: Shellie Zimmerman say she feels alone. - 8/29/2013 11:07:53 AM

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No man or woman worth perjuring yourself for would want or ask
you to perjure yourself for him or her. All lying in court is going to
get you is another push up shit creek. And legal entanglements aside
when you commit perjury you compromise yourself.

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RE: Shellie Zimmerman say she feels alone. - 8/29/2013 11:19:39 AM

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She is alone. She picked the wrong guy to perjure herself for.
Live and learn, Shellie.

Except she didn't actually commit perjury. Though with the deal offered, it was a no brainer. She won't even get a conviction on her record.

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RE: Shellie Zimmerman say she feels alone. - 8/29/2013 11:51:53 AM

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She is fortunate that the judge offered her a good deal. It looks like he saw her as a victim too.

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RE: Shellie Zimmerman say she feels alone. - 8/29/2013 12:01:20 PM

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If it had gone to trial she probably would have won. William Jacobson breaks it down why the perjury charge was so weak (though she was evasive and misleading which is why I did say originally that Judge Lester had good reason to be angry and feel misled).

Perjury is very specific though, and because of the way the questions were asked, and then not followed up with more specific ones, as a legal matter she didn't commit perjury.

But yes, she was fortunate to be given such a good deal...with an arrangement that good, there's no reason of taking the risk that a jury would see it differently and cause her to end up with a felony conviction.

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RE: Shellie Zimmerman say she feels alone. - 8/29/2013 12:07:38 PM

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quote:

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If it had gone to trial she probably would have won. William Jacobson breaks it down why the perjury charge was so weak (though she was evasive and misleading which is why I did say originally that Judge Lester had good reason to be angry and feel misled).

Perjury is very specific though, and because of the way the questions were asked, and then not followed up with more specific ones, as a legal matter she didn't commit perjury.

But yes, she was fortunate to be given such a good deal...with an arrangement that good, there's no reason of taking the risk that a jury would see it differently and cause her to end up with a felony conviction.

1. Did she want to take that chance? she has a professional license (nurse) A perjury conviction of any kind makes you forfeit that license.

2. A lawyer will ALWAYS say that they're going to win and hers in no exception/ the reason is that they get paid more the longer it lasts.

Never bet your future on what a judge will do if there is a good alternative.

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RE: Shellie Zimmerman say she feels alone. - 8/29/2013 12:07:51 PM

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She pled guilty. Hence the "sentence" of community service and probation. Yes, it will very much indeed be on her record.

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RE: Shellie Zimmerman say she feels alone. - 8/29/2013 12:10:37 PM

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She pled guilty. Hence the "sentence" of community service and probation. Yes, it will very much indeed be on her record.

Adjudication was withheld. Therefore, as long as she meets the terms of her sentence, she will not have a conviction.

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RE: Shellie Zimmerman say she feels alone. - 8/29/2013 12:12:51 PM

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She pled guilty. Hence the "sentence" of community service and probation. Yes, it will very much indeed be on her record.

When she completes her probation, she can ask the judge to expunge the record and it's an almost definite that it'll happen as they do that a lot for first time offenders with non violent misdemeanors. It may already be part of the bargain.

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RE: Shellie Zimmerman say she feels alone. - 8/29/2013 12:16:23 PM

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Yep, it was part of the plea.

Here's the plea deal on page 3.

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RE: Shellie Zimmerman say she feels alone. - 8/29/2013 12:26:20 PM

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If it had gone to trial she probably would have won. William Jacobson breaks it down why the perjury charge was so weak (though she was evasive and misleading which is why I did say originally that Judge Lester had good reason to be angry and feel misled).

Perjury is very specific though, and because of the way the questions were asked, and then not followed up with more specific ones, as a legal matter she didn't commit perjury.

But yes, she was fortunate to be given such a good deal...with an arrangement that good, there's no reason of taking the risk that a jury would see it differently and cause her to end up with a felony conviction.

You'll believe anything.

She was asked if they had assets to pay a high bond. she knew of the money and failed to reveal it. Under the Florida statute she knew she was supposed to reveal it and didn't. That's perjury.

BTW did anyone else notice she also detailed yet another lie told by Zimmerman?

Zimmerman claimed he spent the afternoon before he kill Martin tutoring kids with his wife. She says they fought the day before and she had moved out and was staying with her father.

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RE: Shellie Zimmerman say she feels alone. - 8/29/2013 12:28:28 PM

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Sorry, but that is wrong, you have to be able to point out the specific question, the specific answer, the evidence that answer was wrong, and that she believed it was wrong.

I can point to each and every question pointed out and explain why it wasn't perjury.

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RE: Shellie Zimmerman say she feels alone. - 8/29/2013 12:35:20 PM

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In the perjury PCA, the State wrote:

Q: And you mentioned also, in terms of the ability of your husband to make a bond amount, that you all had no money, is that correct?
A: To my knowledge, that is correct.
Q: Were you aware of the website that Mr. Zimmerman or somebody on his behalf created?
A: I’m aware of that website.
Q: How much money is in that website right now? How much money as a result of that website was—
A: Currently, I do not know.
Q: Do you have any estimate as to how much money has already been obtained or collected?
A: I do not.

Ironically, the affidavit is misleading as it edits Shelley's testimony without any mention of the edit. The actual exchange at the bond hearing went like this:

Q: How much money is in that website right now? How much money as a result of that website was —
A: Currently, I do not know.
Q: Who would know that?
A: That would be my brother-in-law.
Q: And is he — I know he’s not in the same room as you, but is he available so we can speak to him, too, or the Court can inquire through the State or the Defense?
A: I’m sure that we could probably get him on the phone.
Q: Okay. So he’s not there now.
A: No, he is not, sir.
Q: Do you have any estimate as to how much money has already been obtained or collected?
A: I do not.

Let’s step through each question-and-answer pair, and see if we can find any evidence of perjury.

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Q: How much money is in that website right now? How much money as a result of that website was —
A: Currently, I do not know.

Is this a lie? Does the State know for a fact that Shellie Zimmerman knew the exact amount of money in the PayPal account on 20 April 2012?

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Q: Who would know that?
A: That would be my brother-in-law.

Sounds like a truthful statement to me. And she's volunteering the person who can give the State the monetary amount they are asking for.

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Q: And is he — I know he’s not in the same room as you, but is he available so we can speak to him, too, or the Court can inquire through the State or the Defense?
A: I’m sure that we could probably get him on the phone.

Truthful.

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Q: Okay. So he’s not there now.
A: No, he is not, sir.

Ditto.

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Q: Do you have any estimate as to how much money has already been obtained or collected?
A: I do not.

Does the State have any evidence that Shellie did, in fact, have an “estimate”?

Note also: by asking for an “estimate” here, BDLR pretty much gives up the right to claim that she was committing perjury here, because an “estimate” is a statement of opinion, and not of objective fact, and therefore not subject to perjury. Once upon a time I had case law in Florida of a perjury conviction being overturned for the same reason.

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RE: Shellie Zimmerman say she feels alone. - 8/29/2013 1:03:15 PM

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1. Did she want to take that chance? she has a professional license (nurse) A perjury conviction of any kind makes you forfeit that license.

Most states have a moral turpitude clause for nursing licenses. Doesnt matter that it will be expunged. She will still have to report it to the Board. She plead guilty to a misdemeanor, instead of risking a felony. I cant blame her. A felony conviction on her license and it would have been gone. This way, even if it isnt expunged, her license is safe.

And while some still want to play court room lawyer on a message board... this says enough for me....

"I can rationalize a lot of reasons for why I was misleading, but the truth is I knew that I was lying," Shellie Zimmerman said. "I wish a lot of things were different. I can't tell you how many times I have laid at night saying God, I wish these circumstances had been different."

Im waiting to hear about her tell all book.... if she is smart.

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