quote:

ORIGINAL: DesFIP

Freedomdwarf: how often do strangers on the street come up to you and hug you? Because that's never happened to me. People I've met doing a peck on the cheek when greeting or leaving, certainly. But total strangers?

quote:

ORIGINAL: eulero83

he said also tapping the shoulder and telling "excuse me" or being called darling among aggressive behaviour, this happens more often, I still don't see how it can justifie a sucker-punch in the face.

quote:

ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

You really can't see it, can you??

quote:

ORIGINAL: eulero83

he said also tapping the shoulder and telling "excuse me" or being called darling among aggressive behaviour, this happens more often, I still don't see how it can justifie a sucker-punch in the face.

quote:

ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

quote:

ORIGINAL: eulero83

he said also tapping the shoulder and telling "excuse me" or being called darling among aggressive behaviour, this happens more often, I still don't see how it can justifie a sucker-punch in the face.

Although I haven't done it myself, I have been waiting at the bar to get served and seen someone get a broken glass in the face for doing just that.

After the inevitable brawl and the police came and arrested quite a few of them, guess what the excuse was??
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
"I didn't like the way he looked at me"!!

And you think I'm the violent one??
Sheeesh.


And calling someone 'darling' when you aren't romantically associated with them is sexual harassment.
And I've also seen boyfriend take someone outside and beat the living shit out the one who called his girlfriend 'darling'.

As I keep reminding you, it's the nature of unwarranted and uninvited attention that allows this law to come into play whether physical contact is made or not.

quote:

ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

Either way, someone being 'over friendly' towards someone else when that particular attention wasn't explicitely invited or sought, constitutes assault and/or harassment.

quote:


So... someone being over-friendly towards me when an extended hand for a hand-shake would more than suffice, is certainly bordering on harassment and I perceive that as a prelude to provocation and possible physical assault. To a non-huggy person, receiving that unwarranted physical contact is definitely an assault as I didn't invite you to do so.

quote:


Part of that law is the perception of impending assault that empowers the recipient (me) to use whatever force I deem necessary to prevent that physical assault from actually happening.

quote:


So, I am legally allowed to punch you in the face, or knee you in the groin, or any other physical violence/force that I feel is necessary to prevent you from that act of physical assault you are about to inflict upon me, uninvited.

quote:

ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

quote:

ORIGINAL: eulero83

he said also tapping the shoulder and telling "excuse me" or being called darling among aggressive behaviour, this happens more often, I still don't see how it can justifie a sucker-punch in the face.

You really can't see it, can you??

It's unwarranted and uninvited attention of an over-friendly nature.
It really is as simple as that.

If I didn't invite it, you aren't entitled to be over-friendly with me in a way that is considered to be bordering on intimate.
If ya wanna say hello, then do so with words and a hand-shake for the first and maybe several other meets after that.
But don't presume you can get all cuddly/huggy with me or someone you don't know - that's just being presumptuous and not reading the body language.

quote:



Source

"Assault: In order to be found guilty of an assault, a defendant must have intended for the assault to occur. This means that the defendant intended to cause an apprehension of harmful or offensive contact, and the act was not accidental. The intent to commit an assault may transfer to different victims- for example, if the defendant intended to scare one person but ended up scaring a different bystander, intent for an assault would be satisfied.

Battery: Battery requires a definite intent on the part of the defendant as well. In this case the defendant must have intended to make the harmful or offensive contact. An indirect application of force would also constitute a battery. The intent to commit a battery can also transfer to different victims as in an assault. Also, the intent can transfer if the defendant intended to cause one type of injury but instead causes a different injury."

" For example, hugging a friend might not be offensive, especially if such activity has been a common practice between the two people. However, hugging a complete stranger would likely constitute a battery because it would be offensive to the stranger. Thus, batteries involving "offensive contact" can be somewhat subjective and are handled according to what a reasonable person would consider offensive. "

quote:

That aside, my particular aversion came about because my stepdaughter is definitely a huggy person and comes over to give me a hug when I'm trying to type or use the mouse or otherwise busy. It's bloody infuriating!
It's not easy to type or pour a cuppa when someone clamps their arms around you and pecks you on the cheek.
She's not content with just a hello and hug when she comes in - it's every 5-10 minutes!! Grrrrr!
She does it with everyone and I have to keep reminding her that not everyone likes it or wants it.

quote:

ORIGINAL: MariaB

The law is the same in the America as it is in the UK

quote:

ORIGINAL: eulero83

quote:

ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

quote:

ORIGINAL: eulero83

he said also tapping the shoulder and telling "excuse me" or being called darling among aggressive behaviour, this happens more often, I still don't see how it can justifie a sucker-punch in the face.

Although I haven't done it myself, I have been waiting at the bar to get served and seen someone get a broken glass in the face for doing just that.

After the inevitable brawl and the police came and arrested quite a few of them, guess what the excuse was??
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
"I didn't like the way he looked at me"!!

And you think I'm the violent one??
Sheeesh.


And calling someone 'darling' when you aren't romantically associated with them is sexual harassment.
And I've also seen boyfriend take someone outside and beat the living shit out the one who called his girlfriend 'darling'.

As I keep reminding you, it's the nature of unwarranted and uninvited attention that allows this law to come into play whether physical contact is made or not.

And did they get away with that? because I've seen fist fight starting for such things but this doesn't mean they where exonerated.

quote:

ORIGINAL: MariaB

quote:

ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1
Either way, someone being 'over friendly' towards someone else when that particular attention wasn't explicitely invited or sought, constitutes assault and/or harassment.

No it doesn't unless you verbally warned that person that you didn't want to hug or be kissed on the cheek.

quote:

ORIGINAL: MariaB

quote:


So... someone being over-friendly towards me when an extended hand for a hand-shake would more than suffice, is certainly bordering on harassment and I perceive that as a prelude to provocation and possible physical assault. To a non-huggy person, receiving that unwarranted physical contact is definitely an assault as I didn't invite you to do so.

You should keep in mind that you live in one of the most multi cultural countries on the planet and that of course will be taken into consideration if you insisted on a person being charged with assaulting you.

quote:

ORIGINAL: MariaB

quote:


Part of that law is the perception of impending assault that empowers the recipient (me) to use whatever force I deem necessary to prevent that physical assault from actually happening.

You only have a case if the kiss on the cheek or shoulder hug was proven to be provocation towards you or to deliberately cause you discomfort. This would include you verbally or clearly warning someone that you didn't want to be touched and the person chose to ignore the warning. Other than that, it would be seen as nothing more than a friendly gesture and your reaction would likely be seen as phobic. The thing is, you can't go round punching people because you are phobic, especially if the person you assault hasn't been forewarned about your phobia

quote:

ORIGINAL: MariaB

quote:


So, I am legally allowed to punch you in the face, or knee you in the groin, or any other physical violence/force that I feel is necessary to prevent you from that act of physical assault you are about to inflict upon me, uninvited.

No you are not and you will likely end up on a charge if you did so, especially if there are witnesses.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Gauge

If you punch someone in the face for hugging you, the person getting charged in the USA is the person who was violent. You would have to show intent to harm meaning a direct threat to your physical well being before you could even stand a bit of a chance at self-defense.

What a bizarre reaction. It is quite over the top to think you are well within your rights to commit an act of violence if someone invades your space.

I am at a total loss of words.

quote:

ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf

Seems it is definitely a battery by law in much of the US as well:

quote:



Source

"Assault: In order to be found guilty of an assault, a defendant must have intended for the assault to occur. This means that the defendant intended to cause an apprehension of harmful or offensive contact, and the act was not accidental. The intent to commit an assault may transfer to different victims- for example, if the defendant intended to scare one person but ended up scaring a different bystander, intent for an assault would be satisfied.

Battery: Battery requires a definite intent on the part of the defendant as well. In this case the defendant must have intended to make the harmful or offensive contact. An indirect application of force would also constitute a battery. The intent to commit a battery can also transfer to different victims as in an assault. Also, the intent can transfer if the defendant intended to cause one type of injury but instead causes a different injury."

" For example, hugging a friend might not be offensive, especially if such activity has been a common practice between the two people. However, hugging a complete stranger would likely constitute a battery because it would be offensive to the stranger. Thus, batteries involving "offensive contact" can be somewhat subjective and are handled according to what a reasonable person would consider offensive. "

A key portion is what a reasonable person would consider offensive, so I would likely ask for a jury trial. Very doubtful that a criminal prosecutor would even take such a case.

quote:

ORIGINAL: MariaB

The law is the same in the America as it is in the UK