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RE: Inappropriate touching - 9/10/2013 11:45:08 AM   
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It's interesting that we have similar laws but are applied in a very different way with different triggering criteria.


Hurtful looks??
In essence, if someone gave you a very hurtful look, you could use our law to whack them one without fear of prosecution.
That's because of the bit that says actual contact isn't necessary for it to be assault.
But you couldn't do that in the US because the trigger for the same crime is somewhat different.

Given that scenario, in the UK, the person receiving those looks would be justified in a violent response.
In the US, if you responded to a look with violence, you'd be the one being prosecuted.


So, in your world, are you for the death penalty for parking violations?

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RE: Inappropriate touching - 9/10/2013 11:57:27 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Gauge


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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

It's interesting that we have similar laws but are applied in a very different way with different triggering criteria.


Hurtful looks??
In essence, if someone gave you a very hurtful look, you could use our law to whack them one without fear of prosecution.
That's because of the bit that says actual contact isn't necessary for it to be assault.
But you couldn't do that in the US because the trigger for the same crime is somewhat different.

Given that scenario, in the UK, the person receiving those looks would be justified in a violent response.
In the US, if you responded to a look with violence, you'd be the one being prosecuted.


So, in your world, are you for the death penalty for parking violations?


That's a bit of a quantum leap in assumptions! lol.
A parking violation is not a criminal offence; assault is.

But sure.... If said parking violation resulted in an abulance or fire engine not getting someone to safety or many died as a result of such stupidity. Why not??

If we had a law like that it wouldn't take too many people on death row for others to realise that there are laws for a reason.

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RE: Inappropriate touching - 9/10/2013 12:37:11 PM   
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That's a bit of a quantum leap in assumptions! lol.
A parking violation is not a criminal offence; assault is.

But sure.... If said parking violation resulted in an abulance or fire engine not getting someone to safety or many died as a result of such stupidity. Why not??

If we had a law like that it wouldn't take too many people on death row for others to realise that there are laws for a reason.


I rest my case.

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RE: Inappropriate touching - 9/10/2013 2:41:58 PM   
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RE: Inappropriate touching - 9/10/2013 2:52:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		freedomdwarf1 just a curiosity, how many times in your life have you been involved in a fist fight? and how many times have you been in front of a judge? (not necessary for the fist fight I mean in general also fos a civil court suit)

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RE: Inappropriate touching - 9/10/2013 7:26:20 PM   
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I now have an object lesson in the definition of ludicrous.

I just find it particularly ironic that the word "freedom" is included in the nick.

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RE: Inappropriate touching - 9/10/2013 8:22:59 PM   
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I react with violence because some people are completely ignorant...



I understand now. Violence is the most appropriate answer to ignorance. Makes complete sense to me...

Regarding the shopping center anecdote: What if the person whom you hit made the case that your posture was threatening to them, and they reacted by approaching you with open arms? Then wouldn't you have been the instigator? I mean, if I saw someone I (ostensibly) knew, and they began to retreat from me, I'd try to re-assure them.

Perhaps it was, in fact, your behavior which instigated the whole nasty business, and you who should have been prosecuted. It seems to me that their attempt at a hug may simply have been a reaction to your assault of them by putting your palms toward them.

Thoughts?

(Here's mine: That's a pretty fucked up application of law.)

Edit: Clarity.

< Message edited by tommonymous -- 9/10/2013 8:23:22 PM >

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RE: Inappropriate touching - 9/10/2013 11:02:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		tommonymous the only two logic explanation are or that he cenveniently didn't told the agents he was aware that person was the one he had an appointment with and that he felt a hug was coming, but just told he came out from nowhere I protected with my arm he went on atacking so I hit him, when the police heard the other side of the story they didn't filed any charge and he decided to not file a complaint because he would have to probably find a lawyer and loose a working day or more in a court so for a punch it was not worth it, or that he added some fiction to match the story to his point.

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RE: Inappropriate touching - 9/11/2013 1:32:59 AM   
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Status: offline 		tough question, i am a kisser with my friends but i would say it all depends on how well you know this person and the situation or it could be creepy.... just saying

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RE: Inappropriate touching - 9/11/2013 4:22:00 AM   
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Possibly but may not be administered the same. I did some research and all the "hugging" cases that seemed to have made it to court in the US, were not just a simple hug. They were either "Bear" hugs, violation of another order, or were part of a sexual harassment case.

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The law is the same in the America as it is in the UK



Yep I found those sort of American cases too. One was of an elderly female who kissed a preacher on the cheek at a gay pride rally.

Thing is, I can't find any cases of this happening in the UK... can you?

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RE: Inappropriate touching - 9/11/2013 4:32:13 AM   
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I'm not going to go through your entire post because we have already been over this and to date you haven't shown me one scrap of evidence that cases such as this happen in the UK. You say you had such a case but you didn't did you. Someone was arrested after trying to hug you and you accusing him of assaulting you. You said earlier that he was taken away and you never found out what happened because you never heard from him again. That's because absolutely nothing happened. If it had, you would of been interviewed at the police station and asked to make a statement under oath. You would of had to attend court but of course it never went to court. Likelihood is, the guy was probably asked if he would like to press charges against you and fortunately for you he declined.



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RE: Inappropriate touching - 9/11/2013 4:33:54 AM   
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ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf

Possibly but may not be administered the same. I did some research and all the "hugging" cases that seemed to have made it to court in the US, were not just a simple hug. They were either "Bear" hugs, violation of another order, or were part of a sexual harassment case.

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ORIGINAL: MariaB

The law is the same in the America as it is in the UK



Yep I found those sort of American cases too. One was of an elderly female who kissed a preacher on the cheek at a gay pride rally.

Thing is, I can't find any cases of this happening in the UK... can you?


probably because as freedomdwarf1 claims in the uk this kind of incidents are solved with a more appropriate fist fight, or glass throwing fight, and rarely see a court, as reading between the lines of the law about aggression, you can almost clearly understand that once you look in the wrong direction, the one you crossed the look with can beat the crap of you and have you arrested because of what you forced him to do trigging his rage with your sight.

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RE: Inappropriate touching - 9/11/2013 5:25:28 AM   
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ORIGINAL: MariaB


quote:

ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf

Possibly but may not be administered the same. I did some research and all the "hugging" cases that seemed to have made it to court in the US, were not just a simple hug. They were either "Bear" hugs, violation of another order, or were part of a sexual harassment case.

quote:

ORIGINAL: MariaB

The law is the same in the America as it is in the UK



Yep I found those sort of American cases too. One was of an elderly female who kissed a preacher on the cheek at a gay pride rally.

Thing is, I can't find any cases of this happening in the UK... can you?



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RE: Inappropriate touching - 9/11/2013 3:52:32 PM   
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RE: Inappropriate touching - 9/11/2013 4:33:11 PM   
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There are some people on CM forums who are just plain, downright scarey!

No freakin joke. Accusations of assault & rape for a hug don't even come close. How about "brushed by someone in a crowded hallway"? Yeah, that's got criminal charges written all over it.

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