quote:

ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf
Possibly but may not be administered the same. I did some research and all the "hugging" cases that seemed to have made it to court in the US, were not just a simple hug. They were either "Bear" hugs, violation of another order, or were part of a sexual harassment case.

quote:

ORIGINAL: MariaB

The law is the same in the America as it is in the UK

quote:

ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

It's a bit like when a dog warns you with a growl and you still go to stroke them, don't be surprised if you get bitten.
It's not the dog's fault you get bitten - you were warned and ignored it.

quote:

ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

FR

There's a 30 mph speed limit law here in the UK that people routinely break while the police do nothing. They're not going to do anything about hugging and kissing, either. I have some female friends who like me to hug and kiss them and some who don't. Some brilliantly obvious body language explained to me how to distinguish the non-kissers from the kissers. *That*s how it generally works here in the UK, in my experience, and I'd take a guess that it works the same elsewhere.

quote:

ORIGINAL: theshytype

quote:

ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

It's a bit like when a dog warns you with a growl and you still go to stroke them, don't be surprised if you get bitten.
It's not the dog's fault you get bitten - you were warned and ignored it.

And the dog is likely to be euthanized due to its "extreme" reaction.

I'm not a big fan of hugging and if a stranger were to do it, or attempt to, I'd be angry.
Normally, I wouldn't say I'd react in a physical way but depending on the circumstance, I may. For all I know, that person does intend on hurting me.

I've never been faced with that situation, so I can't state definitively either way.

quote:

ORIGINAL: eulero83

the dog is an animal and can't understand the human laws and customs so must be kept on a leash by the owner, that's responsible for it, when in public places, if the dog is aggressive is the owner due to submit it so that in no case will hurt a person, period, so now I have a question question: who is responsible of freedomwarf1's leash?
If when talking would solve the matter and you react with violence just because you can or think you can, doesn't make you cool, or more a man, and is nothing to brag about outside your circle of friends, you probably won't agree and think I'm weak it's fine outside this forum I would not even talk to you if not forced by professional reasons and we both will live our life happly.

quote:

ORIGINAL: chatterbox24

awwwwwwwwwwwww, I want to hug freedomdwarf.

Ok Freedom, Im taking a step forward, now my arms are out, another step forward, just a little bit closer, okay here it comes.................

Can someone float me a loan IM either going to have to post bail or pay my insurance deductible.

quote:

ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

quote:

ORIGINAL: chatterbox24

awwwwwwwwwwwww, I want to hug freedomdwarf.

Ok Freedom, Im taking a step forward, now my arms are out, another step forward, just a little bit closer, okay here it comes.................

Can someone float me a loan IM either going to have to post bail or pay my insurance deductible.

But would you still be approaching me with open arms if I was shrinking away from you with palms facing you?
That's pretty obvious I'm telling you I don't want that.


ETA: I don't usually do that. lol.
But I have done in the past and bopped someone on the nose for it and sucessfully prosecuted them.

quote:

ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

quote:

ORIGINAL: eulero83

the dog is an animal and can't understand the human laws and customs so must be kept on a leash by the owner, that's responsible for it, when in public places, if the dog is aggressive is the owner due to submit it so that in no case will hurt a person, period, so now I have a question question: who is responsible of freedomwarf1's leash?
If when talking would solve the matter and you react with violence just because you can or think you can, doesn't make you cool, or more a man, and is nothing to brag about outside your circle of friends, you probably won't agree and think I'm weak it's fine outside this forum I would not even talk to you if not forced by professional reasons and we both will live our life happly.

I react with violence because some people are completely ignorant of body language and just assume that everyone is just like them and behave and do what they do.

Even though a dog doesn't know our ways or laws, it does know it's own.
And if a so-called intelligent(?) human cannot understand that when a dog growls at you when you approach it, it means it doesn't want the attention you are about to bestow upon it.
Ergo, you are very likely to get bitten.
And you think it's the dog or the owners fault for that stupid idiotic behaviour??
Sheeesh!!

quote:

ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

quote:

ORIGINAL: eulero83

the dog is an animal and can't understand the human laws and customs so must be kept on a leash by the owner, that's responsible for it, when in public places, if the dog is aggressive is the owner due to submit it so that in no case will hurt a person, period, so now I have a question question: who is responsible of freedomwarf1's leash?
If when talking would solve the matter and you react with violence just because you can or think you can, doesn't make you cool, or more a man, and is nothing to brag about outside your circle of friends, you probably won't agree and think I'm weak it's fine outside this forum I would not even talk to you if not forced by professional reasons and we both will live our life happly.

I react with violence because some people are completely ignorant of body language and just assume that everyone is just like them and behave and do what they do.

Even though a dog doesn't know our ways or laws, it does know it's own.
And if a so-called intelligent(?) human cannot understand that when a dog growls at you when you approach it, it means it doesn't want the attention you are about to bestow upon it.
Ergo, you are very likely to get bitten.
And you think it's the dog or the owners fault for that stupid idiotic behaviour??
Sheeesh!!

quote:

ORIGINAL: angelikaJ
Some people's brains just aren't wired for reading body language well.
So, yes, I think a verbal cue before you bop someone is the more prudent thing to do.

You defended it once; that does not mean you will be successful the next time.

quote:

ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

quote:

ORIGINAL: angelikaJ
Some people's brains just aren't wired for reading body language well.
So, yes, I think a verbal cue before you bop someone is the more prudent thing to do.

You defended it once; that does not mean you will be successful the next time.

No, I didn't defend it, I actively prosecuted the person!

True, not everyone can read body language accurately.
I think that's obvious by the number of date rape and other stuff that are effectively defended.
But some things are pretty obvious to even the dumbest of people.

But I think if I'm shrinking away from you with outward facing palms, that's bloody obvious.
And if you still insist on walking towards me with open arms to hug me??
I don't think I need to shout an audible warning to you.

quote:

ORIGINAL: eulero83
you said the police took him and you didn't know anything about what happened next, have you been called as a witness to the trial? if the answer is no he's not been prosecuted and probably you had not to defend because he didn't filed a complaint as after the early shock he cooled down and thought it was not worth the time.

quote:

ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

quote:

ORIGINAL: DesFIP

Freedomdwarf: how often do strangers on the street come up to you and hug you? Because that's never happened to me. People I've met doing a peck on the cheek when greeting or leaving, certainly. But total strangers?

Once, just the once when I was entering a shopping centre.
I was supposed to be meeting them as well but I hadn't spoken to them except for a text message to meet them there.
And I saw those arms opening and I raised my palms outwards but he kept on coming.
He got within a few inches and it was obvious he wasn't backing off.
So he got a punch on the nose before we actually made contact.
He called the police.
I explained the situation - unwarranted impending physical attention, ie; percieved assault.
He was arrested and charged with aggravated assault.
I don't know the outcome as I never had any contact after that incident.
And because the police brought the charges, I wasn't privvy to the conclusion.

So, not exactly a total stranger but it was someone that I didn't know and hadn't met at all before.

quote:

ORIGINAL: eulero83

quote:

ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

quote:

ORIGINAL: DesFIP

Freedomdwarf: how often do strangers on the street come up to you and hug you? Because that's never happened to me. People I've met doing a peck on the cheek when greeting or leaving, certainly. But total strangers?

Once, just the once when I was entering a shopping centre.
I was supposed to be meeting them as well but I hadn't spoken to them except for a text message to meet them there.
And I saw those arms opening and I raised my palms outwards but he kept on coming.
He got within a few inches and it was obvious he wasn't backing off.
So he got a punch on the nose before we actually made contact.
He called the police.
I explained the situation - unwarranted impending physical attention, ie; percieved assault.
He was arrested and charged with aggravated assault.
I don't know the outcome as I never had any contact after that incident.
And because the police brought the charges, I wasn't privvy to the conclusion.

So, not exactly a total stranger but it was someone that I didn't know and hadn't met at all before.

I was referring to this... now you say you actually prosecuted him... and I suppose aggravated assault that's the charge you claim he would be subjected is a serious offence, but even if there is no jury but a judge (like 100% of trials in my country so I never assume a jury) you have to challenge the witnesses... I'm starting to think you tend to twist reality to confirm your point.

the guy in the pub could have suspended sentence, or is there a bail system in the UK? I suppose because Richard III is credited to have invented it but in more than 500 years think can change...

quote:

ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1
Here in the UK, it wouldn't be a Crown Court case so you almost certainly couldn't elect trial by jury.
And our law doesn't differentiate between what a reasonable person would consider offensive.
It's actually very specific.
And the charge wouldn't be battery - it would be assault.

quote:

ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf

It wouldn't be assault here, unless someone just held their arms out to touch you but did not make contact. It would also not be considered assault as the intent would not have been to be harmful or offensive.

I think everywhere though it would be stupid to consider it criminal by a very large majority.

So what about hurtful looks there? Are hurtful looks against the law?

Also, here in the US you can only use self defense without criminal action if you are using it to stop something that is harmful to you. Cussing at someone is considered simple assault in most states here in the US, but if you punch them, then you have also committed at least simple battery.

quote:

ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1
Here in the UK, it wouldn't be a Crown Court case so you almost certainly couldn't elect trial by jury.
And our law doesn't differentiate between what a reasonable person would consider offensive.
It's actually very specific.
And the charge wouldn't be battery - it would be assault.