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RE: Majority of Scientists skeptical of climate crisis - 9/9/2013 11:37:48 AM   
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RE: Majority of Scientists skeptical of climate crisis - 9/9/2013 11:39:35 AM   
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Saw this on Facebook and thought it germane to this thread.



I'm sure that we've had all 24 posted here.

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RE: Majority of Scientists skeptical of climate crisis - 9/9/2013 11:40:53 AM   
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I'm sure that we've had all 24 posted here.

LOL. Probably!

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RE: Majority of Scientists skeptical of climate crisis - 9/9/2013 12:34:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		Here's something that some folks., (the scientific version of muggles) don't understand.

Scientists are all professional skeptics and they are gleeful about it.
The first thing you do when a new journal comes out and you read the articles is try to shoot holes in every one of them.
If you find an error, you gleefully call your colleagues into your office or lab and point out the error.
You then put one of your best grad students in charge of running an experiment and writing an article that totally debunks the article you just read.

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RE: Majority of Scientists skeptical of climate crisis - 9/9/2013 12:41:58 PM   
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ORIGINAL: dcnovice
Saw this on Facebook and thought it germane to this thread.

I'm sure that we've had all 24 posted here.


The legend for that could easily also read:
    1. Those who think the Earth is the center of the universe.
    2. Galileo.







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RE: Majority of Scientists skeptical of climate crisis - 9/9/2013 12:46:20 PM   
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Aristarcus or Copernicus...take your pick, it was old news by C's time ; not Galileo, he came 50 years later or so.

And there it would be punctiliously Galileo v. the deniers known as the Catholic Church, and no one else. If it were the Big 'G'.

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RE: Majority of Scientists skeptical of climate crisis - 9/9/2013 12:54:20 PM   
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RE: Majority of Scientists skeptical of climate crisis - 9/9/2013 12:54:50 PM   
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Uh, no.
Aristarcus or Copernicus...take your pick, it was old news by C's time ; not Galileo, he came 50 years later or so.
And there it would be punctiliously Galileo v. the deniers known as the Catholic Church, and no one else. If it were the Big 'G'.


Yeah, Copernicus was well before Galileo (who is listed on the Wiki as a supporter of Copernicanism), but I do believe he died, was killed, was martyred, for his heliocentric beliefs, no?


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RE: Majority of Scientists skeptical of climate crisis - 9/9/2013 12:58:00 PM   
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Uh, no.
Aristarcus or Copernicus...take your pick, it was old news by C's time ; not Galileo, he came 50 years later or so.
And there it would be punctiliously Galileo v. the deniers known as the Catholic Church, and no one else. If it were the Big 'G'.


Yeah, Copernicus was well before Galileo (who is listed on the Wiki as a supporter of Copernicanism), but I do believe he died, was killed, was martyred, for his heliocentric beliefs, no?


Which proves that you need to keep the big money from messing with scientists.
The Catholic church of that era probably put science back 300 years.

ETA. Kinda what the fundies are trying to do right now.

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RE: Majority of Scientists skeptical of climate crisis - 9/9/2013 12:58:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		He was forced to recant his 'WRITING' it down on paper, that which was well known by that time and proven.

Insufficient analogy, since not one iota of the denires stuff has been shown to be proven credible, nor is is longstanding 'incorrect' science that is mainstream, and been around, it is more like spontaneous genesis.




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RE: Majority of Scientists skeptical of climate crisis - 9/9/2013 12:59:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		Even inside the Catholic Church it wasn't a big surprise. The pope who eventually sentenced him for heresy had discussed it with Gallileo several times and asked him to provide arguments for and against heliocentrism in the book for which he was tried.

What really caused him trouble was a scathing takedown of a popular Jesuit scientist, and passing insults to others and the Collegio Romano, leading up to the publishing of The Assayer.

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RE: Majority of Scientists skeptical of climate crisis - 9/9/2013 12:59:50 PM   
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Which proves that you need to keep the big money from messing with scientists.
The Catholic church of that era probably put science back 300 years.
ETA. Kinda what the fundies are trying to do right now.


Totally agree with that, Hill. 100%.


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RE: Majority of Scientists skeptical of climate crisis - 9/9/2013 1:02:04 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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Uh, no.
Aristarcus or Copernicus...take your pick, it was old news by C's time ; not Galileo, he came 50 years later or so.
And there it would be punctiliously Galileo v. the deniers known as the Catholic Church, and no one else. If it were the Big 'G'.


Yeah, Copernicus was well before Galileo (who is listed on the Wiki as a supporter of Copernicanism), but I do believe he died, was killed, was martyred, for his heliocentric beliefs, no?


Neither were executed for any reason. Both men died of old age. Gallileo was sentenced to house arrest for heresy.

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RE: Majority of Scientists skeptical of climate crisis - 9/9/2013 1:22:55 PM   
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RE: Majority of Scientists skeptical of climate crisis - 9/10/2013 7:17:45 AM   
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Status: offline 		Still avoiding the graph, eh alarmists?
I suppose pictures of the current arctic ice cap are also things you'd like to avoid discussing?

Here's a few quotes from a lovely article, found here:http://hotair.com/archives/2013/09/08/global-warming-cleverly-hides-itself-with-1-million-sq-miles-more-arctic-ice/

Only six years ago, the BBC reported that the Arctic would be ice-free in summer by 2013, citing a scientist in the US who claimed this was a ‘conservative’ forecast. Perhaps it was their confidence that led more than 20 yachts to try to sail the Northwest Passage from the Atlantic to the Pacific this summer. As of last week, all these vessels were stuck in the ice, some at the eastern end of the passage in Prince Regent Inlet, others further west at Cape Bathurst.

Some of the analysts currently scratching their heads over how the planet stubbornly refuses to do what they insist it must are apparently now reflecting on some much older data. Reports are available which indicate a massive melting of the arctic ice sheet in the 1920′s and 30′s, long before the era of global climate studies. But then, it crashed into another period of increased freezing and expansion. The current photo has a few of them wondering if we might be in danger of heading into another ice age, which would be disastrous for mankind.


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RE: Majority of Scientists skeptical of climate crisis - 9/10/2013 7:35:34 AM   
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I fixed your link. ETA OK, I tried to fix the link. Use cut and paste kids.

If you want climatological data, why don't you go to this place. http://www.noaa.gov/ instead of a RW website that starts out by quoting a comedian.

Here's a better article about the yachts that were caught along with a more detailed map of the ice.
http://www.sail-world.com/USA/North-West-Passage-blocked-with-ice---yachts-caught/113788

Apparently, cruising the northwest passage (once impossible as many explorers found out) has become the newest 'in thing' for yachtsmen.

The first guy to do it, Amundsen, took from 1903 to 1906. to make one transit.

http://www.cruisingworld.com/people/passage-notes/northwest-passage-routes-made-passable and many have made it recently because it's open now during the summer.

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RE: Majority of Scientists skeptical of climate crisis - 9/10/2013 9:02:26 AM   
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RE: Majority of Scientists skeptical of climate crisis - 9/10/2013 9:05:32 AM   
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I did use cut and paste.. but thanks for the fix Hill

I did too but for some reason when you cut and paste it to the address bar, it worked but when you cut and paste it to a post, it doesn't become a clickable link.

It's something for better HTML minds than mine to figure out.

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RE: Majority of Scientists skeptical of climate crisis - 9/10/2013 9:09:36 AM   
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RE: Majority of Scientists skeptical of climate crisis - 9/10/2013 9:29:23 AM   
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Still avoiding the graph, eh alarmists?
I suppose pictures of the current arctic ice cap are also things you'd like to avoid discussing?

Here's a few quotes from a lovely article, found here:http://hotair.com/archives/2013/09/08/global-warming-cleverly-hides-itself-with-1-million-sq-miles-more-arctic-ice/

Only six years ago, the BBC reported that the Arctic would be ice-free in summer by 2013, citing a scientist in the US who claimed this was a ‘conservative’ forecast. Perhaps it was their confidence that led more than 20 yachts to try to sail the Northwest Passage from the Atlantic to the Pacific this summer. As of last week, all these vessels were stuck in the ice, some at the eastern end of the passage in Prince Regent Inlet, others further west at Cape Bathurst.

Some of the analysts currently scratching their heads over how the planet stubbornly refuses to do what they insist it must are apparently now reflecting on some much older data. Reports are available which indicate a massive melting of the arctic ice sheet in the 1920′s and 30′s, long before the era of global climate studies. But then, it crashed into another period of increased freezing and expansion. The current photo has a few of them wondering if we might be in danger of heading into another ice age, which would be disastrous for mankind.


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The really funny thing, if you like gallows humour, is that while the likes of Shell and BP are sponsoring people to tell you that the arctic isn't melting, they are also pouring money into expeditions to drill for oil in sea areas which are ice free for the first time in recorded history. (And since people have been trying to sail past the Pole since the 15th Century, that's a lot of recorded history.) At least they're smarter than the politicians who actually believe their own propaganda.

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