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RE: Private Sector vs Federal Government - 10/2/2013 10:31:22 AM   
mnottertail


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They have to insure that the contracts, agreements and settlements do not violate the law.

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They could be private courts in many instances.


And that is what I was responding to.

Now you can mince and mewl and puke about this, but no country ever has or ever will have a who gives a fuck, what the hell lassize-faire monte hall lets make a deal wholly private system. Just as there has never been a free market because of that sort of dumbass crap.

Law conformance rulings have nothing to do with the fact that they are private.


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RE: Private Sector vs Federal Government - 10/2/2013 10:35:06 AM   
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Open question to all... left, right, middle and off the tracks. Name 1 thing our government provides that couldn't be done better by the private sector.


Law Enforcement.

You really wanna have the police employed by the highest bidder? Maybe the FBI becoming a branch of Walmart, or our courts run by Goldman-Sachs?

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RE: Private Sector vs Federal Government - 10/2/2013 10:36:41 AM   
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RE: Private Sector vs Federal Government - 10/2/2013 10:38:15 AM   
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RE: Private Sector vs Federal Government - 10/2/2013 10:41:48 AM   
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OH yeah, we got em:

http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/mediation

They mostly suck as bad as the government court system.



Nope. Mediation is still held within the constraints of equity. No court today is bound to sign off on what might be mediated if such violates its fundamental rule of equity as seen by the judge. The concept of equity is what gives us minimum sentencing.

WRONG! WRONG!
http://law.freeadvice.com/litigation/arbitration/pre_dispute_arbitration.htm

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RE: Private Sector vs Federal Government - 10/2/2013 10:53:19 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Yachtie


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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

OH yeah, we got em:

http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/mediation

They mostly suck as bad as the government court system.



Nope. Mediation is still held within the constraints of equity. No court today is bound to sign off on what might be mediated if such violates its fundamental rule of equity as seen by the judge. The concept of equity is what gives us minimum sentencing.


WRONG! WRONG!
http://law.freeadvice.com/litigation/arbitration/pre_dispute_arbitration.htm



When an agreement is in place to arbitrate a dispute, that agreement is almost always going to be enforced by the court. There may be some limited exceptions, such as if one party had no power of negotiation and no real choice about the terms of the contract (called an "adhesion" contract), and if the terms of the arbitration within that adhesion contract are unreasonable and/or not advantageous.

(See height requirement for this ride.)




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RE: Private Sector vs Federal Government - 10/2/2013 10:55:12 AM   
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Status: offline 		Which means absolutely nothing. It is a private court. One would hate to think that there is no private sector, because everyone is beholden to the laws of our land, even teabaggers.

And that would mean that the private sector is good at nothing, because there is no private sector. Never was, never will be, anywhere on the planet.

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RE: Private Sector vs Federal Government - 10/2/2013 10:57:09 AM   
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1) Military
2) Funding of basic research
3) Courts
4) Border Security
5) Food and drug purity and safety inspections
6) Environmental protection
7) Parks
8) Enforcing safety regulations on the private sector
and so on

Learn some history. We went through a period where government did almost nothing and it was a miserable failure. Children worked in coal mines, Union organizers were simply murdered, the company town system kept people as effective serfs owned by big business, factory work was extremely dangerous and maimed workers were just fired or allowed to die, rivers caught on fire (yes you read that right) etc.


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RE: Private Sector vs Federal Government - 10/2/2013 11:27:45 AM   
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RE: Private Sector vs Federal Government - 10/2/2013 11:42:07 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Yachtie


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ORIGINAL: DomKen


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ORIGINAL: Yachtie


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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

OH yeah, we got em:

http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/mediation

They mostly suck as bad as the government court system.



Nope. Mediation is still held within the constraints of equity. No court today is bound to sign off on what might be mediated if such violates its fundamental rule of equity as seen by the judge. The concept of equity is what gives us minimum sentencing.


WRONG! WRONG!
http://law.freeadvice.com/litigation/arbitration/pre_dispute_arbitration.htm



When an agreement is in place to arbitrate a dispute, that agreement is almost always going to be enforced by the court. There may be some limited exceptions, such as if one party had no power of negotiation and no real choice about the terms of the contract (called an "adhesion" contract), and if the terms of the arbitration within that adhesion contract are unreasonable and/or not advantageous.

(See height requirement for this ride.)

IOW the courts will uphold the arbitrator's decision no matter how grossly unfair it is. You can easily find numerous reports of this.

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RE: Private Sector vs Federal Government - 10/2/2013 11:48:18 AM   
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Open question to all... left, right, middle and off the tracks. Name 1 thing our government provides that couldn't be done better by the private sector.

How about save lives for about the most egregious failure of the private sector. Maybe if run by govt. one wouldn't be blown off of oil platforms, buried in coal mines and blown to smithereens in a petrol plant. Govt. could very likely produce a reduction in corporate manslaughter.

In medicine in totally private sector even more would be maimed by faulty drugs whose side effect, may be death. In that case of death...stop taking the drug immediately and call your doctor.

It really depends on the cost of private sector venality vs govt. venality as we've seen our real historical social and economic values are being replaced by an obvious trend toward the ultimate sin of the righteous...pride.

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RE: Private Sector vs Federal Government - 10/2/2013 11:59:07 AM   
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IOW the courts will uphold the arbitrator's decision no matter how grossly unfair it is. You can easily find numerous reports of this.



and no real choice about the terms of the contract (called an "adhesion" contract, and if the terms of the arbitration within that adhesion contract are unreasonable and/or not advantageous.


What you appear to be referencing (if I get you right) where the court shall not interfere in an arbitration, the exception to interference is that of contract.

Many disputes involve no contract.

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RE: Private Sector vs Federal Government - 10/2/2013 12:01:06 PM   
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RE: Private Sector vs Federal Government - 10/2/2013 12:02:13 PM   
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Often someone would be hired, agreed by both contesting parties, to oversee a dispute, the judge so to speak, who's determination is, by contract, held with "force of law," meaning the rendering shall be. Could even be jury. It's not what we have today, being courts of equity.

What would be the advantage of this approach?

And how would the system handle criminal cases?


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RE: Private Sector vs Federal Government - 10/2/2013 12:04:33 PM   
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RE: Private Sector vs Federal Government - 10/2/2013 12:05:00 PM   
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How about save lives for about the most egregious failure of the private sector. Maybe if run by govt. one wouldn't be blown off of oil platforms, buried in coal mines and blown to smithereens in a petrol plant. Govt. could very likely produce a reduction in corporate manslaughter.



Makes me think of the case of PG&E, the famous case known by most as Erin Brockovich (sp?). The award was so high, it really got their attention. To bad it's of such difficulty to obtain the needed information.

I think a solution, and here must reference an act of government, would be enacting a law concerning Corporations, being creatures of government anyway.

Transparency. I think it should be easier to get to Corporate information than a private person.


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RE: Private Sector vs Federal Government - 10/2/2013 12:14:55 PM   
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Often someone would be hired, agreed by both contesting parties, to oversee a dispute, the judge so to speak, who's determination is, by contract, held with "force of law," meaning the rendering shall be. Could even be jury. It's not what we have today, being courts of equity.

What would be the advantage of this approach?

And how would the system handle criminal cases?




Question for you. Would you think most criminals would prefer what we have or a private court? Severity of the crime must be taken into account. I know people who have been injured, got court ordered restitution, and never see a dime. Others, who harmed no one or property, i.e. had a bag of weed, got jail time.

The advantage is that the parties contesting pay for the court. The cost could be but a stipend, like the fee one gets paid for being a juror. Nominal. No need for the trappings of what we have today. Could be held in the town square, in public. Get a trained counselor, do it yourself, or ask your friend. Your choice.

Of course, one would have to get down to brass tacks concerning such as murder, rape, etc. Personally, I think the courts coddle such.

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RE: Private Sector vs Federal Government - 10/2/2013 12:20:57 PM   
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RE: Private Sector vs Federal Government - 10/2/2013 12:21:30 PM   
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There would be more judge judy. Which of course is another example.



Interesting point as to Judge Judy. Agreement as to forum, therefore binding. I have never seen her act in anything but equity mode though.

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RE: Private Sector vs Federal Government - 10/2/2013 12:25:40 PM   
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Funding of basic research? Nope. I understand the argument that shall ensue, but remember, the OP is Name 1 thing our government provides that couldn't be done better by the private sector. The government provided funds for green research... shall I mention Solyndra? The OP is right... the government provided funds... That is one thing government does real well.


Yep. Banks and venture capitalists in the private sector have never invested in a company or product that failed. It just doesn't happen. Every new business, every business expansion, that gets a business loan succeeds.


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