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RE: Private Sector vs Federal Government - 10/2/2013 3:04:33 PM   
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RE: Private Sector vs Federal Government - 10/2/2013 3:07:12 PM   
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RE: Private Sector vs Federal Government - 10/2/2013 3:08:03 PM   
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Get one out of order and you dont find out until real later. and that sucked.



It did indeed. In HS I once had a simple assignment, a short program in BASIC. We were using a PDP-8. The teacher said it should run. It never would.

I've never forgotten that when it comes to computer based computation.

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RE: Private Sector vs Federal Government - 10/2/2013 3:10:08 PM   
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But the thing is, I cannot think of one thing the private sector is better at than the government.



Charity.

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RE: Private Sector vs Federal Government - 10/2/2013 3:12:57 PM   
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Just realized no one's mentioned two key exploration milestones on Uncle Sam's resume:





And if memory serves, most of the great oceanic explorers--Columbus, Magellan, you get the idea--were funded by national governments.

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RE: Private Sector vs Federal Government - 10/2/2013 3:18:13 PM   
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RE: Private Sector vs Federal Government - 10/2/2013 3:18:20 PM   
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And if memory serves, most of the great oceanic explorers--Columbus, Magellan, you get the idea--were funded by national governments.



Queen Isabella of Spain, REF: Columbus, was hardly a national government. I'm sure there was some self-interest in her doing with what was hers.


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RE: Private Sector vs Federal Government - 10/2/2013 3:19:31 PM   
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Nope. Think of welfare, foodstamps, and so on, private charity doesn't even buy diapers on that.



That's not charity.

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RE: Private Sector vs Federal Government - 10/2/2013 3:21:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		Isabella put him on a salary and the dole for two years before financing him.
And it was a national government since she married Ferdinand and they united it, each ruling over their half, but in concert.

OUr government R&D has a pecuniary interest.

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RE: Private Sector vs Federal Government - 10/2/2013 3:23:44 PM   
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OUr government R&D has a pecuniary interest.


Always has.


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RE: Private Sector vs Federal Government - 10/2/2013 3:24:58 PM   
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Isabella put him on a salary and the dole for two years before financing him.
And it was a national government since she married Ferdinand and they united it, each ruling over their half, but in concert.



No, it was a sovereign government, but hardly national.


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RE: Private Sector vs Federal Government - 10/2/2013 3:26:20 PM   
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Who else ruled that nation?

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RE: Private Sector vs Federal Government - 10/2/2013 3:32:05 PM   
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IOW the courts will uphold the arbitrator's decision no matter how grossly unfair it is. You can easily find numerous reports of this.



and no real choice about the terms of the contract (called an "adhesion" contract, and if the terms of the arbitration within that adhesion contract are unreasonable and/or not advantageous.


What you appear to be referencing (if I get you right) where the court shall not interfere in an arbitration, the exception to interference is that of contract.

Many disputes involve no contract.

The point was that this is an example of a private sector court and it fails to function which is in direct contradiction to your claim.

Shall I assume, since all you had to do was read the quotes to know what the subject was that you retract your claim?

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RE: Private Sector vs Federal Government - 10/2/2013 3:33:45 PM   
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There would be more judge judy. Which of course is another example.



Interesting point as to Judge Judy. Agreement as to forum, therefore binding. I have never seen her act in anything but equity mode though.

You should do stand up comedy. That was hilarious.

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RE: Private Sector vs Federal Government - 10/2/2013 3:34:54 PM   
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IOW the courts will uphold the arbitrator's decision no matter how grossly unfair it is. You can easily find numerous reports of this.



and no real choice about the terms of the contract (called an "adhesion" contract, and if the terms of the arbitration within that adhesion contract are unreasonable and/or not advantageous.


What you appear to be referencing (if I get you right) where the court shall not interfere in an arbitration, the exception to interference is that of contract.

Many disputes involve no contract.

The point was that this is an example of a private sector court and it fails to function which is in direct contradiction to your claim.

Shall I assume, since all you had to do was read the quotes to know what the subject was that you retract your claim?



Absolutely not, and I'm not about to abrogate the nature of contracts. You're free to ignore it though.

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RE: Private Sector vs Federal Government - 10/2/2013 3:37:13 PM   
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Are you completely insane?

VC's fund hundreds of billions of experimental and developmental projects all the time. So do businesses in general. I mean - where do you think the computer you type on, the mobil phone you answer and the mouse, the keyboard all came from?

The computer stuff came from Xerox back when corporations still did some basic research, PARC was the pretty much the end of that.

The mobile phone builds on the IC chip and communication technologies developed by NASA.

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RE: Private Sector vs Federal Government - 10/2/2013 3:41:37 PM   
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And if memory serves, most of the great oceanic explorers--Columbus, Magellan, you get the idea--were funded by national governments.



Queen Isabella of Spain, REF: Columbus, was hardly a national government. I'm sure there was some self-interest in her doing with what was hers.


Huh? She was the monarch of Castile and Leon. In a legal sense she was those states. She was certainly the head of state for those nations and not as a figurehead.

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RE: Private Sector vs Federal Government - 10/2/2013 3:42:53 PM   
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Isabella put him on a salary and the dole for two years before financing him.
And it was a national government since she married Ferdinand and they united it, each ruling over their half, but in concert.



No, it was a sovereign government, but hardly national.


How do you figure that. She and Ferdinand had just led a military campaign ejecting the last Moorish rulers and uniting their 3 kingdoms.

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RE: Private Sector vs Federal Government - 10/2/2013 3:44:08 PM   
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IOW the courts will uphold the arbitrator's decision no matter how grossly unfair it is. You can easily find numerous reports of this.



and no real choice about the terms of the contract (called an "adhesion" contract, and if the terms of the arbitration within that adhesion contract are unreasonable and/or not advantageous.


What you appear to be referencing (if I get you right) where the court shall not interfere in an arbitration, the exception to interference is that of contract.

Many disputes involve no contract.

The point was that this is an example of a private sector court and it fails to function which is in direct contradiction to your claim.

Shall I assume, since all you had to do was read the quotes to know what the subject was that you retract your claim?



Absolutely not, and I'm not about to abrogate the nature of contracts. You're free to ignore it though.

So despite overwhelming evidence you hold to a defeated idea. I see.....

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RE: Private Sector vs Federal Government - 10/2/2013 3:45:33 PM   
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Isabella put him on a salary and the dole for two years before financing him.
And it was a national government since she married Ferdinand and they united it, each ruling over their half, but in concert.



No, it was a sovereign government, but hardly national.


How do you figure that. She and Ferdinand had just led a military campaign ejecting the last Moorish rulers and uniting their 3 kingdoms.


I'd think that's obvious. I find it difficult to equate a Kingdom to a national government.


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