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RE: Private Sector vs Federal Government - 10/3/2013 8:58:11 PM

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I suppose if we're going to get screwed either way, at least with government, we get to choose and elect the ones who screw us. With the private sector, we don't really have that option.

How funny.

Last I checked companies don't have the ability to force you to buy their goods and services.
But they do have the ability, in far too many areas, to drive out competition and fix prices and standards so you either buy their product or service or do without. Unless the government enforces anti-trust and anti-price-fixing laws ... which are some of the reasons rich folks tell you government is making business impossible.

Funny thing is, the countries with the most government regulation, taxation and state-funded welfare also have a lot of the world's most successful and innovative businesses.

Have I ever said don't enforce anti-monopoly rules? I'm anti big govt, anti big union, anti big business.

Wall street (big business) is a disaster.
Almost as bad as detroit (big unions)
or washington (big govt).

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RE: Private Sector vs Federal Government - 10/3/2013 10:36:33 PM

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As I read through the responses here, I get the impression that government gives many the warm and cozys. We all have our different opinions and views but I just cant fathom, personally, that "they" know whats best for me. You do realize the federal government, US and DC are a corporation, right? Has been since what 1871?

Roads would still be built...
Mail would still get to you...
Parks could be ran by the state...

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RE: Private Sector vs Federal Government - 10/3/2013 10:58:49 PM

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(apologies if I repeat someone else's points):

"Name 1 thing our government provides that couldn't be done better by the private sector."

WARRANTED (please note the word is stressed, pun intended) military intervention. the "merc/private warrior" asswipes fuck up all the time and let's not get into the friendly fire thing or the mistakes made in other areas

Prisons. The complaints against the abuses of the "boom industry" of USA private incarceration facilities have been global, and when you get on a crappy episode of Law and Order, you KNOW you are a fuck up leading a fucked up pseudo-industry.

National Parks. Uh, didn't a PRESIDENT, a famous BELOVED PRESIDENT, basically start and ensure National Parks, while private interests wanted to merely log them out? And how much profit, AND JOBS, have been made from all the postcards and greeting cards that came from said-parks? Unless you know the insane profit margins for these card-businesses, where you can have a per unit cost of under 15¢ and sell for over $1.50, don't get uppity here on this point. I am ALL about the swollen net versus the shriveled gross-production-cost, people. Hollywood should take bloody note of that.

speaking of which:

PBS based documentaries that help everyone (here) be better and more responsible citizens WORLDWIDE, and in fact help MANY people remain pro American during a time when loathing of the USA is (wrongfully) at an all time high. Private based funding of films of any sort NEVER allow for the kind of documentaries that show the true glory and meaning of all the fantastic things that, for example, Teddy Roosevelt did and put into practive, like...

MONITORED AND OVER-SIGHTED POLICE FORCES, versus the style of easily corrupted and often incompetent and UNTRAINED "law enforcement" which was de rigueur before Teddy said "not good enough".

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RE: Private Sector vs Federal Government - 10/4/2013 5:09:47 AM

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As I read through the responses here, I get the impression that government gives many the warm and cozys. We all have our different opinions and views but I just cant fathom, personally, that "they" know whats best for me. You do realize the federal government, US and DC are a corporation, right? Has been since what 1871?

Roads would still be built...
Mail would still get to you...
Parks could be ran by the state...

It's not the warm and cozies by any means. It's just that many have studied history and realize what the world was like before the rise of national governments.

I've gotten the impression that privatization advocates get warm and cozies about big business and capitalism, but they make it seem like it's nothing more than a friendly golf game where everyone plays by the rules and no one gets hurt. I think such a view is dangerously naive.

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RE: Private Sector vs Federal Government - 10/4/2013 10:27:53 AM

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As I read through the responses here, I get the impression that government gives many the warm and cozys. We all have our different opinions and views but I just cant fathom, personally, that "they" know whats best for me. You do realize the federal government, US and DC are a corporation, right? Has been since what 1871?

Roads would still be built...
Mail would still get to you...
Parks could be ran by the state...

It's not the warm and cozies by any means. It's just that many have studied history and realize what the world was like before the rise of national governments.

I've gotten the impression that privatization advocates get warm and cozies about big business and capitalism, but they make it seem like it's nothing more than a friendly golf game where everyone plays by the rules and no one gets hurt. I think such a view is dangerously naive.

The problem, I think, is that most privatisation fans think of things like law and order, roads and schools and police and fire departments, as something that just happens, like the sun shining and the grass growing, and nothing to do with the taxes they pay or the civil servants beavering away in their offices. So they just vaguely assume that if government disappeared everything would carry on just the same, only they'd not have to pay taxes and they could smoke where they pleased and run red lights if they felt like it. Kind of like kids who think that if only their parents weren't there they could eat ice cream for lunch every day, and don't consider who puts the ice cream in the freezer.

As noted on another thread, it makes you almost wish the shutdown would continue long enough for people to really start hurting, and notice what they don't have when the government stops.

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RE: Private Sector vs Federal Government - 10/4/2013 10:39:16 AM

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As noted on another thread, it makes you almost wish the shutdown would continue long enough for people to really start hurting, and notice what they don't have when the government stops.

Also, people could note what functions just fine without them.

As an aside, why is the federal interstate system not shut down? It is, in a sense. I've been told left turns are now disallowed.

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