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ORIGINAL: Arturas
Obama was reelected by those looking to get something free, free heathcare, free birth control, free this and free that, and many of those cannot even tell you who the Vice President is or who the first President was for that matter. This is why the majority of those who have signed up for Obamacare to date are not the young or healthy but guess who...those who are sick or old and/or retired. Those who Obama care depends on to pay the bills, the young and healthy, are out of work and will not even consider paying the Government their beer money for health care premiums or don't even know Obamacare exists or even care.
Then you really have your facts wrong. The current Vice President of the USA, is Joe Biden. Before that, it was Dick Cheney. Before Dick, was Al Gore. Should I keep going on the list of Vice Presidents? George Washington, was the first President. An most Americans that voted for the President know these things. The reasons to vote the President to a second term were many and numerous. Well beyond the confines of this forum's ability to handle information. Essentially, they liked what the President did during his first term, and what he meant to them. Just as Mitt Romney meant things to conservatives. There are just as many Americans that have health issues on all sides of the political spectrum; perhaps your getting your information from outdated sources? Regardless, most citizens are aware of the Affordable Care Act and know getting health coverage could be very advantageous to them. The intelligent, educated ones will obtain it; the dumb, foolish and ignorant will complain until they REALLY do need it.
Don't blame the President or Democrats for forcing all Americans to get a healthcare plan; that's the 'Big Business' dictating the terms to America. Go blame them. It wasn't part of the President's original plan. Did you read it? No, you haven't read the ACA either I'm guessing. The ACA is the final version of the President's original document of 2009.
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ORIGINAL: Arturas
In the mean time, the health care system lays off workers because of a lack of funds which adds to those who cannot pay premiums into Obamacare and this dominoes us into third world healthcare systems and finally eventually, because the math of revenue vs. spending continues to go the wrong way into a collapse of the welfare state and then food riots and chaos. (Remember the gas shortage riots a few years ago?) Meanwhile, I flip to cable news and MSNBC is running expose on some obscure Republican candidate who they decided is "racist" and CNN is running a piece on individuals who have gotten a job training whales in some Aquarium and Fox is reporting what little stats are available about Obamacare sign-ups and that the Administration was fully aware of these issues before start-up, but was in denial of course, as they are with anything it seems.
The law didn't lay anyone off directly. People got reduced hours, laid off, or harder to obtain a jobs by employers that used the ACA as a convenient scapegoat. Conservatives are apparently to dumb and foolish to understand this; even though its happened hundreds of times on issues they supported in the past. But you don't stop there, you assume a huge number of events based on every little evidence. You know what I think is funny, Arturas? That so many conservatives were against the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act because it would keep the nation from going into a economic depression. Like that was something they wanted; try to explain this sort of insanity? And against recently with the government shutdown and the near defaulting on our debt. Your here bitching about what Democrats and liberals do; yet your own party and philosophy have done equal if not worst, but its not registered on your radar. Now why is that?
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ORIGINAL: Arturas
So, principles are worth more than money and lacking them leads to a dead Ambassador, bugging Americans and Foreign Leader's cell phones, the collapse of our health care system, more debt that will never be paid, contempt from other nations for us and our leadership, the welfare state, and on and on.
Here is a document that said principles are worth more than money. ALOT of people died for that document, not just one ambassador. And a whole pile of spying took place before, and after it was written. This document collapse the government in the area and pushed people into new ways of thinking. Was it for the best, Arturas? Seems according to you, no it wasn't. But I'm just guessing based on your assumptions here. The difference between that document and the ACA is about 220+ years. You haven't even given a chance of a document you have not even read, a fair and honest chance to do good for all Americans.
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Principles are worth more than 18 dollars and until we remove those who do not contribute to this Nation from our voting eligibility then they will decide our fate for a free handout or for 18 dollars.
So your in agreement with me....throw out all the conservatives! I'm glad we agree on something. 
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