DesideriScuri
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Your agreement with leonine's description certainly does show that I wasn't putting words into your mouth at all.
Do you believe a person has a right to receive something they can't pay for, based solely on need? That is, they can demand it be provided to them without any promise of reimbursement for the service or product based solely on need?
I am guessing you dont include the right to have a standing army ready to protect your nation, or an efficient police force, or justice sytem, or civil works such as transport, water and sewage. None of which your tax even begins to cover.
Bingo, Polite! There is no right to a standing army. Authority was granted to government (by the People) to raise a standing army.
Police force, justice system and all the civil works are all reasons we have a government, but, not a single one of those things is an actual right.
Actually 'police force', and 'justice system' are rights covered under the 2nd Amendment. "A WELL REGULATED MILITIA, being necessary for the SECURITY of a FREE STATE,..." Ever heard of that line? Yeah its the first half of the amendment that 99.99999999% of conservatives forget exists. Yeah, the founding fathers didn't have much use for six or eight lane highways back in the late 18th century. How well could the USA operated without highways in 2013, DS? How do canals, roads, rail, and airports help the economy in the nation, DS? How about if we just got rid of them; how well would the country run in the next ten years?
The local police force is a militia? How can you type that shit without laughing your ass off?!?
Are you making the claim that there is no way that we'd have these things without the Federal Government providing them?
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As the United States rose up, many of the ideas and concepts of the founding fathers simply never explained how to approach different situations. They said that future generations of Americans would know how best to keep the nation going. Or are you one of those 'limited intelligence and wisdom folks that 'unless its spelled out' we cant do it' types? Go find me in the US Constitution or the Federalist Papers were it states you can be on the internet, DS.....
It doesn't state that. It doesn't have to state that. The US Constitution and the Federalist Papers are not the source of what we can and can not do.
[quoe]The US Government evolved from its starting point. If you have a problem with that, then its safe to say you have a problem with every company, military organization, charity, and religious group in America. They all started with meager resources and flourished with time. The sort of logistical frame work they started is simply not the same as the current incarnations. Over time, rules, ideas, and events changed the entity. Right now, we do not consider black people as slaves, do we? Or that women are not allowed to vote? Or that we can just get on an airline without anyone checking us or our luggage? These are all pivotal moments in US History that the founding fathers could never have predicted. So the concept of our government changed.
We were wrong to have considered black men as slaves. Oddly enough, there was a provision in the US Constitution aimed at ending the slave trade.
That blacks and women didn't have the right to vote was wrong as we see it now. It's also been changed, via the US Constitution, too. Not surprisingly, the US Constitution states that the right to vote may not be infringed upon for various reasons. It doesn't state that women have the right to vote, that blacks have the right to vote, or that people over the age of 18 have the right to vote. It states that the right to vote may not be infringed (that is, the right exists and can't be taken away because of certain characteristics). Where does it state that a white male has the right to vote? Where does it state that an Asian, Hispanic, etc. male has the right vote?
It sure seems to me that the TSA is skirting the 4th Amendment.
The US Constitution was a framework of ideas that were to be the basis of the Federal Government. All authorities the Federal Government has (according to the Constitution) were granted to it. That means, it was given the authority. Where was that authority before there was the Federal Government? How was it that the Federal Government was given an authority if that authority didn't already exist? How does your local government get it's authority to do anything it does?
From the People. That's where. Government is a construct of the People. It derives its "just powers from the consent of the governed." Recognize that phrase?
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What I support:
- A Conservative interpretation of the US Constitution
- Personal Responsibility
- Help for the truly needy
- Limited Government
- Consumption Tax (non-profit charities and food exempt)
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