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ORIGINAL: EdBowie

I see that you are familiar with the logical fallacy known as the 'strawman'. Keep it to yourself please, and don't waste my time pretending I said anything that fucking ridiculous.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: EdBowie

Just because you can claim it, doesn't mean it will be accepted. It would depend on the circumstances.

There is no legal standard I'm aware of that allows you to shoot an innocent bystander to scare off an attacker. And it is simply a matter of the odds as to whether or not an airborne bullet strikes someone. Slim odds, but still a rational possibility in any populated area.

Sounds like the proverbial slap on the wrist, is her good luck this time.

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ORIGINAL: Yachtie

FR

Not Virginia, but I find this from a Fla attorney instructive.

Under the statute, you can claim it as a defense to the charge if you were legally defending your life or your property.

Was she supposed to just stand there and watch her daughter being beaten.

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ORIGINAL: LadyEternity

Next time try a baseball bat and turn it into a contact sport.

And before you get pissy please read my whole rant here. You'll understand in a second why I'm up in arms. I know most of the posters here don't know me anymore...I'm an older poster that just gave up and strictly started lurking after 2011 ...I stopped posting years ago because I can't take politics...not even forum drama . . but this one I couldn't not answer. to those that know me, this isn't a resurrection, just a brief sighting. Like the Virgin Mary.

I am a mother. There is nothing I wouldn't do to protect my children. In this article, a large group of teens - boys who are in most cases (and I'm not debating Dom/sub here ...) in most cases are stronger that one girl individually - was surrounding ONE female teen. A MALE was striking that female teen in the face while the others surrounded them. That is a mob. That is illegal under every federal hate and bullying crime that exists. There is no excuse in this world that those teens weren't arrested for assault, bullying, and inciting a riot. Mom WAS reacting to a possible life threatening situation. Instead of lauding her self control that she didn't SHOOT the kid, and arresting those responsible for the start of the violence, our legal system punishes the mother for protecting the daughter? Are we in some kind of back water country where we stone girls for their own rapes too???

I am a mother. Like a tiger or a wolf or a big bear, I am here to protect my children until they can protect themselves. And I do not tolerate or perpetuate ideologies that say "Bad women use weapons. good women don't touch weapons. good women let the boys beat them up. bad woman." If some monkey of a boy is slapping around or bullying my teen, I don't care if he's 17 or 47, I'm charging in with a baseball bat and skulls are getting cracked.

And before anyone gets too offended by my rant . . . 7 months ago my TWELVE year old attempted to commit suicide by swallowing a bottle of benadryl. Over the bullying at school. She's 12. She's been jumped by girls, boys and called the most horrific names . . .I mean things Domiguy wouldn't say to a slime covered protazoa hooking on a corner. If I ever catch one of those kids putting their hands on her, you better believe I'm going to put a stop to it. Physically if necessary to get them off of her. Shooting in the air? What goes up comes down? Seriously? My baseball bat causes more damage coming down on flesh, trust me.

Now this woman's child has disappeared. DISAPPEARED. So she's either run away to be safe, committed suicide or been kidnapped by one of those violent teens who were hurting her. While the cops were defending backward Bad Woman morality instead of the law, did these future psychos get their hands on this girl? These bullies, these teen age boys, they are the ones that in 5 or 10 years will be arrested for the third time for beating their wife or kids. Or in jail for killing one of them. Roses don't heal bruises and not punishing abusive teens doesn't not save the women they will harm later.

Ok.. I apologize if this rant ticks anyone off. But This article really ticked me off. I almost lost my child to bullies that probably are just like those teen age boys started out to be. At 12 these kids can drive a child to suicide. Please, don't support the bullies. Support the parents trying to protect their children.

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: defiantbadgirl

The woman fired into the air for the purpose of protecting her daughter, to scare the attacking boys away. While it's true that anything that goes up comes down, the mother was likely too panicked at the moment to think of that. I think simply warning her not to fire guns in the air and pursuing the boys would've been more appropriate.

She was held for only a short period and was released without bond. It sounds like she's looking at a fine at worst. The fact of the matter is guns can be very dangerous if not used safely and she used hers in a very unsafe manner so society has a vested interest in discouraging that sort of behavior.

So she should have stood by and let them beat her daughter, or maybe engaged in had to hand at 5 to one odds? I guess society does not have a vested interest in protecting children.

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: defiantbadgirl

The woman fired into the air for the purpose of protecting her daughter, to scare the attacking boys away. While it's true that anything that goes up comes down, the mother was likely too panicked at the moment to think of that. I think simply warning her not to fire guns in the air and pursuing the boys would've been more appropriate.

She was held for only a short period and was released without bond. It sounds like she's looking at a fine at worst. The fact of the matter is guns can be very dangerous if not used safely and she used hers in a very unsafe manner so society has a vested interest in discouraging that sort of behavior.

So she should have stood by and let them beat her daughter, or maybe engaged in had to hand at 5 to one odds? I guess society does not have a vested interest in protecting children.

She could have called the police or drawn the weapon and pointed it at the attacker. Firing into the air endangered people nearby who were not involved.

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ORIGINAL: MAINEiacMISTRESS

Don't apologize, I completely understand the protective instinct and I don't even have kids.

That mother should get an award for self control...had it been a daughter of Mine I would have shot INTO the crowd of boys and eliminated them from the gene pool. Boys forming gangs to hurt one person, wow, that's not a behavioral trait we want passed on. I hope they find her daughter safe and sound.

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ORIGINAL: LadyEternity

Next time try a baseball bat and turn it into a contact sport.

And before you get pissy please read my whole rant here. You'll understand in a second why I'm up in arms. I know most of the posters here don't know me anymore...I'm an older poster that just gave up and strictly started lurking after 2011 ...I stopped posting years ago because I can't take politics...not even forum drama . . but this one I couldn't not answer. to those that know me, this isn't a resurrection, just a brief sighting. Like the Virgin Mary.

I am a mother. There is nothing I wouldn't do to protect my children. In this article, a large group of teens - boys who are in most cases (and I'm not debating Dom/sub here ...) in most cases are stronger that one girl individually - was surrounding ONE female teen. A MALE was striking that female teen in the face while the others surrounded them. That is a mob. That is illegal under every federal hate and bullying crime that exists. There is no excuse in this world that those teens weren't arrested for assault, bullying, and inciting a riot. Mom WAS reacting to a possible life threatening situation. Instead of lauding her self control that she didn't SHOOT the kid, and arresting those responsible for the start of the violence, our legal system punishes the mother for protecting the daughter? Are we in some kind of back water country where we stone girls for their own rapes too???

I am a mother. Like a tiger or a wolf or a big bear, I am here to protect my children until they can protect themselves. And I do not tolerate or perpetuate ideologies that say "Bad women use weapons. good women don't touch weapons. good women let the boys beat them up. bad woman." If some monkey of a boy is slapping around or bullying my teen, I don't care if he's 17 or 47, I'm charging in with a baseball bat and skulls are getting cracked.

And before anyone gets too offended by my rant . . . 7 months ago my TWELVE year old attempted to commit suicide by swallowing a bottle of benadryl. Over the bullying at school. She's 12. She's been jumped by girls, boys and called the most horrific names . . .I mean things Domiguy wouldn't say to a slime covered protazoa hooking on a corner. If I ever catch one of those kids putting their hands on her, you better believe I'm going to put a stop to it. Physically if necessary to get them off of her. Shooting in the air? What goes up comes down? Seriously? My baseball bat causes more damage coming down on flesh, trust me.

Now this woman's child has disappeared. DISAPPEARED. So she's either run away to be safe, committed suicide or been kidnapped by one of those violent teens who were hurting her. While the cops were defending backward Bad Woman morality instead of the law, did these future psychos get their hands on this girl? These bullies, these teen age boys, they are the ones that in 5 or 10 years will be arrested for the third time for beating their wife or kids. Or in jail for killing one of them. Roses don't heal bruises and not punishing abusive teens doesn't not save the women they will harm later.

Ok.. I apologize if this rant ticks anyone off. But This article really ticked me off. I almost lost my child to bullies that probably are just like those teen age boys started out to be. At 12 these kids can drive a child to suicide. Please, don't support the bullies. Support the parents trying to protect their children.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: defiantbadgirl

The woman fired into the air for the purpose of protecting her daughter, to scare the attacking boys away. While it's true that anything that goes up comes down, the mother was likely too panicked at the moment to think of that. I think simply warning her not to fire guns in the air and pursuing the boys would've been more appropriate.

She was held for only a short period and was released without bond. It sounds like she's looking at a fine at worst. The fact of the matter is guns can be very dangerous if not used safely and she used hers in a very unsafe manner so society has a vested interest in discouraging that sort of behavior.

So she should have stood by and let them beat her daughter, or maybe engaged in had to hand at 5 to one odds? I guess society does not have a vested interest in protecting children.

She could have called the police or drawn the weapon and pointed it at the attacker. Firing into the air endangered people nearby who were not involved.

She was carrying open that should have been warning enough.
If they ignored her pointing the gun what should she have done?
Beside you are the one who claims that pointing the gun is felony assault.
Call the police and let them beat on her daughter for the 20 minutes it took the cops to get there?
That's not realistic.
And it presumes that those nice boys would have let her make the call.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

There is no legal standard I'm aware of that allows you to shoot an innocent bystander to scare off an attacker

In most states any injuries sustained as a result of a crime, assault for example, is the legal responsibility of the assailant no matter who actually inflicted the injury.

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ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

It's clear that the police cannot keep the child safe, and their stupid mves here make it look like they feel no responsibility for doing so.

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ORIGINAL: LadyEternity

Lets not fight or call names here. Bullying each other isn't ok, no matter how right we feel or we aren't any better than the bullies.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

There is no legal standard I'm aware of that allows you to shoot an innocent bystander to scare off an attacker

In most states any injuries sustained as a result of a crime, assault for example, is the legal responsibility of the assailant no matter who actually inflicted the injury.

Actually it has to be a felony for that to kick in. Since assault and battery that didn't result in any injury is a simple misdemeanor the mother would have been responsible if that bullet had injured someone.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
There is no legal standard I'm aware of that allows you to shoot an innocent bystander to scare off an attacker

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ORIGINAL: GotSteel
Firing a gun into the air like Biden recommended is recklessly disregarding the safety of innocent bystanderds. If one's going to use a deadly weapon they damn well should be held responsible to use it properly.

Anti gun people keep repeating that mantra but not one has said what she should have done.
Not platitudes but specifics.

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ORIGINAL: GotSteel

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: GotSteel
Firing a gun into the air like Biden recommended is recklessly disregarding the safety of innocent bystanderds. If one's going to use a deadly weapon they damn well should be held responsible to use it properly.

Anti gun people keep repeating that mantra but not one has said what she should have done.
Not platitudes but specifics.

She should have simply brandished her weapon. Clearly she didn't need to shoot her way out of the problem as no one was hit. The most she needed to do was threaten the group of boys with her weapon which is immensely accomplish-able without making the rest of the areas population play russian roulette.

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

There is no legal standard I'm aware of that allows you to shoot an innocent bystander to scare off an attacker

In most states any injuries sustained as a result of a crime, assault for example, is the legal responsibility of the assailant no matter who actually inflicted the injury.

Actually it has to be a felony for that to kick in. Since assault and battery that didn't result in any injury is a simple misdemeanor the mother would have been responsible if that bullet had injured someone.

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ORIGINAL: GotSteel

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
There is no legal standard I'm aware of that allows you to shoot an innocent bystander to scare off an attacker

Stand your Ground.