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RE: mother arrested for protecting daughter - 10/25/2013 8:30:39 AM   
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Firing a gun into the air like Biden recommended is recklessly disregarding the safety of innocent bystanderds. If one's going to use a deadly weapon they damn well should be held responsible to use it properly.

Anti gun people keep repeating that mantra but not one has said what she should have done.
Not platitudes but specifics.


She should have simply brandished her weapon. Clearly she didn't need to shoot her way out of the problem as no one was hit. The most she needed to do was threaten the group of boys with her weapon which is immensely accomplish-able without making the rest of the areas population play russian roulette.

She was carrying open that should have been enough of a threat don't you think?
How do you know she didn't do that before firing?
Dom ken wouldn't answer this so maybe you will. what if she pointed her gun and they called her bluff?

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RE: mother arrested for protecting daughter - 10/25/2013 8:52:43 AM   
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Status: offline 		BTW why do you always assume every bad situation is going to be so serious that only deadly force is an option? Do you realize how rarely things get that bad?


Do you realize that when they bring 10 guys to beat up one girl it has already gotten that bad?
How badly would the girl have to be injured before she would have been justified in shooting them?
You do realize that she had already told them to stop and they were ignoring anything she said?

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RE: mother arrested for protecting daughter - 10/26/2013 8:47:10 AM   
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RE: mother arrested for protecting daughter - 10/26/2013 9:59:39 AM   
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WOODBRIDGE, Va. (WUSA9) -- A mother earlier this week told us that she fired a shot into the air after a confrontation with a group of teens in which she feared for her daughter. The daughter later disappeared. Now, police have released a "clarification" about the confrontation and the subsequent arrest.

Lakisha Gaither told us that she sent her 15-year-old daughter, Brianna Stewart, to her grandmother's house in Fairfax after a violent confrontation with a group of teenagers at their Woodbridge neighborhood.

On Saturday, Gaither told us she had a talk with another girl's mother after the girl had a dispute with Briana. Then, according to Gaither, a mob of teenagers turned on her daughter.

"It was one particular person that was yelling at her. The others were instigating it telling that one to hit her," stated Gaither.

Lakisha Gaither owns a gun and open carries in Virginia, which is legal, when she told us she saw a young man attacking her daughter. She fired a gunshot in the air to protect her daughter, said Gaither.

Prince William County Police now say that Brianna Stewart "had been involved in an ongoing verbal dispute over rumors with another neighborhood juvenile, a 15 year old boy." According to police, Gaither and Brianna went to confront the boy. Police say Gaither found the boy near his home and there was an encounter that turned physical between the boy and Briana. Then, police say, Gaither took out her handgun and fired a round into the air.

Police tell us that Brianna and the boy each claimed the other had punched them first, but that there were no reported injuries from the alleged assault.

Gaither was charged with reckless handling of a firearm, say police. Police also released Gaither's mug shot.

Briana is still missing.


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RE: mother arrested for protecting daughter - 10/26/2013 10:25:26 AM   
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Status: offline 		its not the stories that were inaccurate: the police and news reported what they were told. Apparently the mother and daughter have issues with honesty. You know, I went to college for journalism. I was taught that you don't print something unless you've checked and rechecked your sources. Sounds like the news teams didn't really vette the story well

my previous rant still stands. Has the situation evolved like origionally stated, I still would have defended her actions. If she went looking for him, armed, then she crossed a line.

I'm still concerned about the girl being missing.

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RE: mother arrested for protecting daughter - 10/26/2013 10:42:03 AM   
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its not the stories that were inaccurate: the police and news reported what they were told. Apparently the mother and daughter have issues with honesty. You know, I went to college for journalism. I was taught that you don't print something unless you've checked and rechecked your sources. Sounds like the news teams didn't really vette the story well

my previous rant still stands. Has the situation evolved like origionally stated, I still would have defended her actions. If she went looking for him, armed, then she crossed a line.

I'm still concerned about the girl being missing.

I agree, as originally reported she was totally justified, with this story, her permit should be revoked.
And what happened to the girl, this brings her disappearance into question.

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RE: mother arrested for protecting daughter - 10/26/2013 5:37:30 PM   
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RE: mother arrested for protecting daughter - 10/27/2013 6:28:00 AM   
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Moral of the story. Cops don't get involved until someone fires a gun. (This joke told to me by my brother, who is a cop so please don't call me a cop hater)


I agree, although there's also another way to get the cops out quickly. No matter what the situation is, tell them that you found a "mysterious white powder" wrapped in a small packet. That will instantly raise the priority of the call.

In this case, the lady could have said that she saw one of the teens smoking a joint. That would have gotten the cops out there in seconds.




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RE: mother arrested for protecting daughter - 10/27/2013 9:14:49 AM   
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Status: offline 		@Zonie63 I actually moved into a house on a seedy side of a seedy suburb of chicago years and years ago. I had to clean the place so thoroughly that I had to search the carpets for used needles. I found 5 hiding places. Under carpet slats had been lifted up. One hiding place was in a wall in a closet. 3 spots had rock cocaine in little baggies. One had a butterfly knife and one had 8 hollow point armor piercing bullets. I called the police station for pick up of the unfired rounds and the drugs and they ACTUALLY told me just flush the drugs and bring us the knife and bullets. They told me to put the needles in a glass jar like a pickle jar and throw them out. NOT kidding. I ended up taking the dirty needles to the local hospital and asking them to put them in a sharps container. (My hubby at the time worked for a hospital so I wasn't worried about someone thinking they were mine.) But I couldn't' believe they actually refused to come get the stuff. They told me to FLUSH it. *sigh* I ended up having my deputy sherrif brother come out from 2 counties over after work to take the rounds to the station by me. He wasn't happy. He found out that the house I had was renting had been raided over 6 times by cops and DEA and had been a major drug house. *shudder* I own my own home now. I'll never rent again.

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RE: mother arrested for protecting daughter - 10/27/2013 11:27:42 AM   
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@Zonie63 I actually moved into a house on a seedy side of a seedy suburb of chicago years and years ago. I had to clean the place so thoroughly that I had to search the carpets for used needles. I found 5 hiding places. Under carpet slats had been lifted up. One hiding place was in a wall in a closet. 3 spots had rock cocaine in little baggies. One had a butterfly knife and one had 8 hollow point armor piercing bullets. I called the police station for pick up of the unfired rounds and the drugs and they ACTUALLY told me just flush the drugs and bring us the knife and bullets. They told me to put the needles in a glass jar like a pickle jar and throw them out. NOT kidding. I ended up taking the dirty needles to the local hospital and asking them to put them in a sharps container. (My hubby at the time worked for a hospital so I wasn't worried about someone thinking they were mine.) But I couldn't' believe they actually refused to come get the stuff. They told me to FLUSH it. *sigh* I ended up having my deputy sherrif brother come out from 2 counties over after work to take the rounds to the station by me. He wasn't happy. He found out that the house I had was renting had been raided over 6 times by cops and DEA and had been a major drug house. *shudder* I own my own home now. I'll never rent again.

Didn't the cops care or were they overloaded.

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RE: mother arrested for protecting daughter - 10/27/2013 11:31:53 AM   
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Feeling a need to lighten the mood. Lets not fight or call names here. Bullying each other isn't ok, no matter how right we feel or we aren't any better than the bullies. We're adults and can be nice w/o needing the mods to remind us not to name call. Here's a joke to lighten the mood

Guy calls 911. "Hey, there's two guys in my shed robbing me."
Operator: "I have no officer available. One will route to you asap."
Guy: but they're robbing me blind.
Operator: "I'm sorry sir, I have no officer available"
guy hangs up. Calls back 10 minutes later. "Ok, you can cancel the officer. Don't need him anymore. But you might want to send an ambulance. I shot the guys robbing my shed."
Operator: "You did what?" A minute later 10 cop cars show up.

Officers: Get down on the ground and throw away your weapon.
Guy. "Don't have one. But the guys I locked in the shed while waiting for you probably have to pee by now. You sure got officers available in a hurry didn't you?"

Moral of the story. Cops don't get involved until someone fires a gun. (This joke told to me by my brother, who is a cop so please don't call me a cop hater)

My sister had a problem with a prowler/peeping tom.
Cops kept telling her there was no way to catch him and that no, she couldn't shoot him.
One night the neighbors cat jumped against her window and she fired both barrels of her 20 ga
That night the cops found a way to catch the prowler/peeping tom.

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RE: mother arrested for protecting daughter - 10/27/2013 1:55:32 PM   
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One had a butterfly knife and one had 8 hollow point armor piercing bullets.

Really? Were they magic bullets? Hollowpoints have just about the least "armor piercing" capability of any round produced.

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RE: mother arrested for protecting daughter - 10/27/2013 3:11:33 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyEternity
Moral of the story. Cops don't get involved until someone fires a gun. (This joke told to me by my brother, who is a cop so please don't call me a cop hater)


I agree, although there's also another way to get the cops out quickly. No matter what the situation is, tell them that you found a "mysterious white powder" wrapped in a small packet. That will instantly raise the priority of the call.

In this case, the lady could have said that she saw one of the teens smoking a joint. That would have gotten the cops out there in seconds.



Tell the cops you just went Dunkin and can't finish all the donuts.


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RE: mother arrested for protecting daughter - 10/27/2013 3:48:25 PM   
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Next time try a baseball bat and turn it into a contact sport.


I dunno. Multiple assailants... youthful males vs. a middle-aged woman with a bat sounds like two hurt females to me.

On the other hand, there are multiple assailants, and she has a gun.
Guns are very good at contact sports... and a legal case can always be made for their use against multiple punks.

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RE: mother arrested for protecting daughter - 10/27/2013 5:56:44 PM   
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One had a butterfly knife and one had 8 hollow point armor piercing bullets.

Really? Were they magic bullets? Hollowpoints have just about the least "armor piercing" capability of any round produced.

Teflon, they were outlawed almost twenty years ago.

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RE: mother arrested for protecting daughter - 10/27/2013 7:39:24 PM   
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Teflon, they were outlawed almost twenty years ago.

Teflon hollowpoints? Umm, no.

First, coating bullets with Teflon does not make them armor piercing. It's the material under that coating that made the bullets capable of defeating soft body armor.

Second, I don't believe there were ever any Teflon-coated hollowpoints ever sold. It's a waste. Teflon coatings were used on some steel core bullets to protect the barrel and allow the bullet to better engage with the barrel's rifling, not to make them armor piercing. Hollowpoint bullets are designed to deform and expand considerably on impact so they are made from much softer materials that don't damage barrels or require coatings to engage the barrel's rifling.

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RE: mother arrested for protecting daughter - 10/27/2013 8:38:58 PM   
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Teflon, they were outlawed almost twenty years ago.

Teflon hollowpoints? Umm, no.

First, coating bullets with Teflon does not make them armor piercing. It's the material under that coating that made the bullets capable of defeating soft body armor.

Second, I don't believe there were ever any Teflon-coated hollowpoints ever sold. It's a waste. Teflon coatings were used on some steel core bullets to protect the barrel and allow the bullet to better engage with the barrel's rifling, not to make them armor piercing. Hollowpoint bullets are designed to deform and expand considerably on impact so they are made from much softer materials that don't damage barrels or require coatings to engage the barrel's rifling.

I used to have some, I always was skeptical of their effectiveness but they were dubbed cop killers because of how easy they were thought to go through bullet proof vests.
And yes I know that Kevlar isn't like the ceramic or metal but you know how hype works.
I know that a armor piercing hollow point is an oxymoron.

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RE: mother arrested for protecting daughter - 10/27/2013 9:54:36 PM   
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I agree, as originally reported she was totally justified, with this story, her permit should be revoked.
And what happened to the girl, this brings her disappearance into question.


Nope, trying to randomly shoot people is not ever to justified.

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RE: mother arrested for protecting daughter - 10/27/2013 9:57:11 PM   
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I agree, as originally reported she was totally justified, with this story, her permit should be revoked.
And what happened to the girl, this brings her disappearance into question.


Nope, trying to randomly shoot people is not ever to justified.

True but there is no version of this story were that happened.
So had the original story been correct she should have shot one of the boys?
Nothing random about that.

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RE: mother arrested for protecting daughter - 10/27/2013 10:05:56 PM   
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I used to have some

Teflon-coated hollowpoints? I seriously doubt it. Winchester's Black Talon ammo were often mistakenly referred to as "Teflon-coated" by people who mistook their molybdenum disulfide coating for Teflon. Perhaps you had some of those?

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