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RE: mother arrested for protecting daughter - 10/31/2013 11:14:35 AM   
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You clearly missed where Ed Bowie and I got that cleared up.

You're mistaken. Again.

And learn how to quote for chrissakes.

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RE: mother arrested for protecting daughter - 10/31/2013 11:55:55 AM   
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And learn how to quote for chrissakes.

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I know how that function is not currently working for Christ's sake (corrected spelling)
And what does any of this have to do with this thread.
Yes he pointed out that they were coated with a substance other than Teflon.
I never saw an ad for them.
Some were given to me with the assertion that they were Teflon coated.
They were constantly referred to as Teflon coated.
Edbowie gave me the correcting link, problem solved. 

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RE: mother arrested for protecting daughter - 10/31/2013 1:35:06 PM   
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I know how that function is not currently working for Christ's sake (corrected spelling)

Odd, that function seems to be working just fine for everyone else here. As for correcting spelling, it was spelled exactly as I intended, thanks.

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Yes he pointed out that they were coated with a substance other than Teflon.

I seem to recall doing the same.

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Some were given to me with the assertion that they were Teflon coated.

People close to you seem to keep giving you bad advice/information, at least in so far as firearms are concerned.

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They were constantly referred to as Teflon coated.

Not by anyone with a clue or a bit of knowledge.

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RE: mother arrested for protecting daughter - 10/31/2013 5:19:36 PM   
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I know how that function is not currently working for Christ's sake (corrected spelling)


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And what does any of this have to do with this thread.

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Yes he pointed out that they were coated with a substance other than Teflon.

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I never saw an ad for them.

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Some were given to me with the assertion that they were Teflon coated.

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They were constantly referred to as Teflon coated.

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Edbowie gave me the correcting link, problem solved. 

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RE: mother arrested for protecting daughter - 10/31/2013 5:48:57 PM   
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ORIGINAL: VideoAdminGamma


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ORIGINAL: BamaD

I know how that function is not currently working for Christ's sake (corrected spelling)


The
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And what does any of this have to do with this thread.

quote
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Yes he pointed out that they were coated with a substance other than Teflon.

function
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I never saw an ad for them.

works
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Some were given to me with the assertion that they were Teflon coated.

fine
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They were constantly referred to as Teflon coated.

for
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Edbowie gave me the correcting link, problem solved. 

me.

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This one is working just fine for me now

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RE: mother arrested for protecting daughter - 10/31/2013 6:14:17 PM   
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ORIGINAL: stef

quote:

ORIGINAL: BamaD

I know how that function is not currently working for Christ's sake (corrected spelling)

Odd, that function seems to be working just fine for everyone else here. As for correcting spelling, it was spelled exactly as I intended, thanks.

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Yes he pointed out that they were coated with a substance other than Teflon.

I seem to recall doing the same.

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Some were given to me with the assertion that they were Teflon coated.

People close to you seem to keep giving you bad advice/information, at least in so far as firearms are concerned.

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They were constantly referred to as Teflon coated.

Not by anyone with a clue or a bit of knowledge.

Still not getting the quote original tab.
My computer has done this before.
They gave the popular term for the shells that doesn't carry over to anything else.
And last time I checked I was not the subject of this thread.

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RE: mother arrested for protecting daughter - 10/31/2013 6:29:31 PM   
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To get back to something remotely connected with this thread.
All this stems from the post about the cops who saw no reason to collect illegal drugs, drug paraphernalia and ammunition.
Not to mention their apparent lack of interest if no one was bleeding.
No amount of nitpicking will alter the basic problem brought up.
The department I worked for (in an administrative capacity) felt a moral, if not a legal obligation to provide the exact service she expected.
We obtained a WWI water cooled Maxim machinegun that way.

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RE: mother arrested for protecting daughter - 10/31/2013 8:43:30 PM   
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Getting back to the OP.....she wasn't arrested for protecting her daughter. She was arrested for firing her leagal weapon in the air which is against the law where she lives. More detailed articles indicate that the woman and her daughter played their own role in this situation. In other words, this wasn't some innocent kid getting jumped.

If you are speeding to the hospital with a loved one needing medical attention, your speeding may be justified, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't get a ticket. You still violated the law. Same with this wooman. She isn't facing some heavy prison sentence, but regardless of her reason she broke the law. So she pays her fine and is done with it.

As to the "attacker" not being arrested....Lady!??( I respond through my phone, sorry I don't remember your na?e), for a jouralism major you are a bit blinded by your anger (which is justified) regarding your daughter' bullying (my best wishes to her). The last bit of information we are given on this incident tells us a number of things.

1. These kids didn't come to the girl's house, the mother and the girl went to where the incident took place. Possibly looking for trouble.

2. That article also pointed out that it was unclear who hit who first. If the girl swung first, legally the guy was defending himself. Not saying that's what happened, but we don't know from that later article exactly who swung firat. Personally, given what I read, both kids should have gotten charged, along with the mother. Perhaps then all of them might think about alternative ways to settle their problems.

Bottom line is that while I understand why the mother fired in the air, she still violated the law and must deal with that. Firing in the air is not self defense in any way shape or form. It also isn't a felony charge carrying a heavy sentence. So the whole thing is just sensationalism to draw readers.

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RE: mother arrested for protecting daughter - 10/31/2013 9:51:59 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady

~Fast Reply~

Getting back to the OP.....she wasn't arrested for protecting her daughter. She was arrested for firing her leagal weapon in the air which is against the law where she lives. More detailed articles indicate that the woman and her daughter played their own role in this situation. In other words, this wasn't some innocent kid getting jumped.

If you are speeding to the hospital with a loved one needing medical attention, your speeding may be justified, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't get a ticket. You still violated the law. Same with this wooman. She isn't facing some heavy prison sentence, but regardless of her reason she broke the law. So she pays her fine and is done with it.

As to the "attacker" not being arrested....Lady!??( I respond through my phone, sorry I don't remember your na?e), for a jouralism major you are a bit blinded by your anger (which is justified) regarding your daughter' bullying (my best wishes to her). The last bit of information we are given on this incident tells us a number of things.

1. These kids didn't come to the girl's house, the mother and the girl went to where the incident took place. Possibly looking for trouble.

2. That article also pointed out that it was unclear who hit who first. If the girl swung first, legally the guy was defending himself. Not saying that's what happened, but we don't know from that later article exactly who swung firat. Personally, given what I read, both kids should have gotten charged, along with the mother. Perhaps then all of them might think about alternative ways to settle their problems.

Bottom line is that while I understand why the mother fired in the air, she still violated the law and must deal with that. Firing in the air is not self defense in any way shape or form. It also isn't a felony charge carrying a heavy sentence. So the whole thing is just sensationalism to draw readers.

That was posted several pages ago at which this some what became a split conversation.
Had the original story been true I believe the police should have let her walk.
However with the actual story I think her permit should be revoked.

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RE: mother arrested for protecting daughter - 10/31/2013 11:34:02 PM   
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I am not mistaken but I didn't buy them they were given to me.
Look up black talons

As I already mentioned in this post, Winchester Black Talons were never manufactured with a Teflon coating and they were certainly never advertised as such. So yes, you are most definitely mistaken.


Oh yeah, I know all about them Black Talon bullets. They're manufactured for Winchester by Lucifer himself. When they hit a human these razor sharp talons come out spinning at about 20,000 RPM and traving throughout the body ripping up flesh until your dead. If they hit body armor, the type worn by police officers, there's a special coating that allows the bullet to pass through the armor and then the talons come out and go straight for the heart.

When the media got wind of what these billets were capable of it created such a furor with public that Winchester pulled them off the market and sold them only to law enforcement. They have to be careful though because I've heard they'll sometimes explode when dropped and kill everyone within a 10 foot radius.

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RE: mother arrested for protecting daughter - 10/31/2013 11:53:25 PM   
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Yea, this thread seriously drifted off topic.

The original story led us to believe some gang came to this woman's house and attacked her daughter, which is what caused her to fire in the air. It certainly set a poor examplle to the teens and DID violate local law. Absolutely nothing mentions the penalty of the offense. But like with my speeding ticket example, while jjustified, it doesn't entitle you to a pass.

The later story that filled in some blanks? Worse example for teens, and considering the boy and girl both hit each other, I questtiion her parenting skills. Lose her permit? Suspend it maybe with some kind of class on gun safety and law necessary to get it back.

And I still say both teens should charged. Then face community service and anger managment so they learn how to bettter resolve disputes.

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RE: mother arrested for protecting daughter - 11/1/2013 5:33:35 AM   
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And nobody minds that Glaser Safety Slugs expand in a similar and destructive manner, because the manufacturer was smart enough to market them with the word 'Safety' instead of 'Talon'.

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I am not mistaken but I didn't buy them they were given to me.
Look up black talons

As I already mentioned in this post, Winchester Black Talons were never manufactured with a Teflon coating and they were certainly never advertised as such. So yes, you are most definitely mistaken.


Oh yeah, I know all about them Black Talon bullets. They're manufactured for Winchester by Lucifer himself. When they hit a human these razor sharp talons come out spinning at about 20,000 RPM and traving throughout the body ripping up flesh until your dead. If they hit body armor, the type worn by police officers, there's a special coating that allows the bullet to pass through the armor and then the talons come out and go straight for the heart.

When the media got wind of what these billets were capable of it created such a furor with public that Winchester pulled them off the market and sold them only to law enforcement. They have to be careful though because I've heard they'll sometimes explode when dropped and kill everyone within a 10 foot radius.


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RE: mother arrested for protecting daughter - 11/1/2013 6:03:09 AM   
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And nobody minds that Glaser Safety Slugs expand in a similar and destructive manner, because the manufacturer was smart enough to market them with the word 'Safety' instead of 'Talon'.


Can you put these 'Safety Slugs' in a Colt 'Peacemaker'?

Frigging hell. The apogee of marketing of the gun culture. Delightful.



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RE: mother arrested for protecting daughter - 11/1/2013 11:15:08 AM   
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And nobody minds that Glaser Safety Slugs expand in a similar and destructive manner, because the manufacturer was smart enough to market them with the word 'Safety' instead of 'Talon'.


Can you put these 'Safety Slugs' in a Colt 'Peacemaker'?

Frigging hell. The apogee of marketing of the gun culture. Delightful.




Ed posted that partly in jest. Although safety slugs will do max damage on the human body for as much as they penetrate, they're called safety slugs because they won't over-penetrate, going through a body and hit an unintended target. They will break up when they hit a thin wall or barrier creating little to no damage on the other side instead of penetrating like normal ammunition.

Hollow points can serve the same purpose in not over-penetrating a human body though they'll go deeper than safety slugs. They will however penetrate walls.

Black Talons were advertised by Winchester to uniformly expand the size of the bullet when they hit with these sharp looking talons pictured in their ads, thus cutting through flesh creating severe damage. In reality they are no better than any other high performance hollow point on the market. When Black Talons first came out, along with their advertising, they freaked out the media who in turn freaked out the non shooting public which caused Winchester to pull them off the market for sale to the general public. All this hype was similar to the bull shit hype following those Teflon coated armor piercing rounds.

And yes, Glaser safety slugs come in .45 Colt for a Peace Maker.

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RE: mother arrested for protecting daughter - 11/1/2013 11:56:48 AM   
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Yea, this thread seriously drifted off topic.

The original story led us to believe some gang came to this woman's house and attacked her daughter, which is what caused her to fire in the air. It certainly set a poor examplle to the teens and DID violate local law. Absolutely nothing mentions the penalty of the offense. But like with my speeding ticket example, while jjustified, it doesn't entitle you to a pass.

The later story that filled in some blanks? Worse example for teens, and considering the boy and girl both hit each other, I questtiion her parenting skills. Lose her permit? Suspend it maybe with some kind of class on gun safety and law necessary to get it back.

And I still say both teens should charged. Then face community service and anger managment so they learn how to bettter resolve disputes.


I'm not sure what bothers me more about this, the incident itself or the apparently blatant inaccuracies of the first story. I see this happen all too often, where there's some sensational headline about an ostensibly outrageous incident which turns out to be quite a bit different when more facts come to the public's attention.

I can usually filter out the bias in political articles, so I can expect that, but just plain sloppiness and inaccuracy in journalism is ridiculous.

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RE: mother arrested for protecting daughter - 11/1/2013 4:29:10 PM   
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I agree totally. It would seem the author has their own agenda and wanted to make it appear as some poor single mom isn't allowed to protect her poor bullied daughter, when in fact the pair instigated trouble and the daughter wasn't just standing there helpless while some guy beat her up.

And yes, so much inaccuracy can be really annoying.

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RE: mother arrested for protecting daughter - 11/1/2013 6:23:40 PM   
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I so totally agree about the comments on the misleading aspects of the original story. but since my little rant was based on the first story before the AP came out with the newer, improved, skanky version I . . .well how do you debate that? I just figured I'd stay with my original points, that should the first situation have actually happened, I would stll have been furious about the boy not being arrested.

If I consider the second story (which I hadn't addressed) then I think the girl, the mom and the boy should all three have been arrested and charged.

But if I was fending off a large group of kids from my kid, I would have fired in the air too. I don't want to kill anyone. I just want to save my child. Maybe it's illegal, but when it comes to my kids, I'd rather go to jail than see them injured. I'm a bad girl. LOL

I'm sorry, speaking of kids mine are crazy so I don't have time to look up, - I'm not sure who brought up my anger over A's bullying at school and subsequent suicide attempt . . . Yea, I get all Tiger Mom with this crap. The teen years are hard enough with the acne and the hormones and sweating and weird body things. But to be so mean to each other. ....Bullying infuriates me. My daughter wrote letters of forgiveness to her bullies the day she tried to kill herself. 15 kids! 15 of them. In her letters she forgave them and asked them as a last request not to hurt anyone else. When she got out of the hospital she gave each child the letter anyway. I had quite a few parents mad at me for letting her do that but I had left that up to her. But she's now friends with a few of those kids, and 2 of them actually protect her on her walk home now. Sometimes it is better to let them figure it out themselves. Maybe mom should have stayed home in this case and let her daughter and the other girl figure it out themselves. Maybe they'd have had a little chick fight, but then it would have been THEIR responsibility. By getting involved it was hers.

the journalist/writer in me could be pissed. but lately all my news comes from The Daily Show and The Colbert Show anyway. Most accurate LOL

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RE: mother arrested for protecting daughter - 11/1/2013 7:36:41 PM   
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Yea, this thread seriously drifted off topic.

The original story led us to believe some gang came to this woman's house and attacked her daughter, which is what caused her to fire in the air. It certainly set a poor examplle to the teens and DID violate local law. Absolutely nothing mentions the penalty of the offense. But like with my speeding ticket example, while jjustified, it doesn't entitle you to a pass.

The later story that filled in some blanks? Worse example for teens, and considering the boy and girl both hit each other, I questtiion her parenting skills. Lose her permit? Suspend it maybe with some kind of class on gun safety and law necessary to get it back.

And I still say both teens should charged. Then face community service and anger managment so they learn how to bettter resolve disputes.


I'm not sure what bothers me more about this, the incident itself or the apparently blatant inaccuracies of the first story. I see this happen all too often, where there's some sensational headline about an ostensibly outrageous incident which turns out to be quite a bit different when more facts come to the public's attention.

I can usually filter out the bias in political articles, so I can expect that, but just plain sloppiness and inaccuracy in journalism is ridiculous.


The original story came from the mother and mentioned that the police declined to comment.
The second story indicated to me that the police got feed up with taking the heat for her lies and gave what they had.
At least the press was willing to print a story that completely contradicted what they originally printed.

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RE: mother arrested for protecting daughter - 11/2/2013 3:43:47 AM   
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But that's the whole point isn't it? The thrust of the story was that she was arrested for protecting her daughter and even in the first story, that isn't what happened. I thinl all the parents here agree they will protect their child whatever the cost to keep them from harm, but you even said you would go to jail to do it. So you recognize that if you violate the law while protecting your child, you are willing to face the consequences.

And let's face it, the consequence is likely to be a fine, nothing else. If she actually was protecting her daughter, isn't that a very small price to pay?

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RE: mother arrested for protecting daughter - 11/2/2013 10:20:27 AM   
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But that's the whole point isn't it? The thrust of the story was that she was arrested for protecting her daughter and even in the first story, that isn't what happened. I thinl all the parents here agree they will protect their child whatever the cost to keep them from harm, but you even said you would go to jail to do it. So you recognize that if you violate the law while protecting your child, you are willing to face the consequences.

And let's face it, the consequence is likely to be a fine, nothing else. If she actually was protecting her daughter, isn't that a very small price to pay?

In the second story she and her daughter went looking for trouble.
Not only did they create the situation with violence but she turned it from a fight between teen agers to a life and death situation.
She behaved exactly like the anti gunners want to pretend every person who carries would act.
As a responsible ccw holder I am greatly offended by her misuse of that right.

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