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OBAMA LIED!!! - 10/29/2013 6:39:18 AM   
FatDomDaddy


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Status: offline 		"President Obama repeatedly assured Americans that after the Affordable Care Act became law, people who liked their health insurance would be able to keep it. But millions of Americans are getting or are about to get cancellation letters for their health insurance under Obamacare, say experts, and the Obama administration has known that for at least three years."

Of course they knew! And the President and his minions looked the American people in the eyes and outright lied to them.

Obama administration knew millions could not keep their health insurance

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RE: OBAMA LIED!!! - 10/29/2013 6:56:55 AM   
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"President Obama repeatedly assured Americans that after the Affordable Care Act became law, people who liked their health insurance would be able to keep it. But millions of Americans are getting or are about to get cancellation letters for their health insurance under Obamacare, say experts, and the Obama administration has known that for at least three years."
Of course they knew! And the President and his minions looked the American people in the eyes and outright lied to them.
Obama administration knew millions could not keep their health insurance


I figured he was lying back then. His lips were moving.

The problem, however, was that, regardless of what was said by a politician, all their lips were moving. It was quite confusing.

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RE: OBAMA LIED!!! - 10/29/2013 6:59:48 AM   
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RE: OBAMA LIED!!! - 10/29/2013 7:44:29 AM   
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Or maybe not
http://thinkprogress.org/health/2013/10/28/2850061/wrong-story-obama-knowing-health-care-policy-cancelled/

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RE: OBAMA LIED!!! - 10/29/2013 7:44:43 AM   
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RE: OBAMA LIED!!! - 10/29/2013 7:57:55 AM   
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FR
Or maybe not
http://thinkprogress.org/health/2013/10/28/2850061/wrong-story-obama-knowing-health-care-policy-cancelled/


Wow, was that an artful (but failed) spinning of the details, or what?!?

    quote:

    The cancellations are a result of so-called grandfather rules promulgated by President Obama’s Health and Human Services. The rule exempts health insurance plans in existence before March 23, 2010 — the day the Affordable Care Act became law — from many of the new regulations, benefits standards and consumer protections that new plans now have to abide by, but says that policies could lose their designation if they make major changes.
    ...
    So yes, individuals can keep the plans they have if those plans remain largely the same.


So, the whole idea that you could keep your plan if you like it was not true, except for the first year (while it was grandfathered). The Administration knew this stuff, but continued to peddle the line.

That, Ken, is what we call a lie.

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RE: OBAMA LIED!!! - 10/29/2013 10:05:18 AM   
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That, Ken, is what we call a lie.



Unfortunately, it's what dumbocrat politicians and their pablum-puking minions call "leadership".





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RE: OBAMA LIED!!! - 10/29/2013 10:07:50 AM   
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RE: OBAMA LIED!!! - 10/29/2013 10:31:12 AM   
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Name one politician in the history of mankind who did not lie. Lieing is why they became politicians.


Are you saying it's acceptable to lie?

I wonder how government would feel if we modeled ourselves after our elected leaders. I'm going to bet the IRS won't pass it off so easily.



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RE: OBAMA LIED!!! - 10/29/2013 11:26:16 AM   
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So, the whole idea that you could keep your plan if you like it was not true, except for the first year (while it was grandfathered). The Administration knew this stuff, but continued to peddle the line.

That, Ken, is what we call a lie.

No. If you had a plan and it did not change at all you can keep it indefinitely. However the insurance companies never leave a plan alone so eventually they change it enough that the grandfathering no longer applies. However that is entirely up to the insurance companies. If they wanted you to be able to keep your plan they could leave it alone, they are aware of the law after all. Blaming this on the President is bullshit.

And keep in mind the changes that remove the grandfathered status are all changes that negatively affect the policy holder.

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RE: OBAMA LIED!!! - 10/29/2013 11:29:08 AM   
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RE: OBAMA LIED!!! - 10/29/2013 11:39:51 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
So, the whole idea that you could keep your plan if you like it was not true, except for the first year (while it was grandfathered). The Administration knew this stuff, but continued to peddle the line.
That, Ken, is what we call a lie.

No. If you had a plan and it did not change at all you can keep it indefinitely. However the insurance companies never leave a plan alone so eventually they change it enough that the grandfathering no longer applies. However that is entirely up to the insurance companies. If they wanted you to be able to keep your plan they could leave it alone, they are aware of the law after all. Blaming this on the President is bullshit.
And keep in mind the changes that remove the grandfathered status are all changes that negatively affect the policy holder.


OH, YEAH!!!

Yes, you can keep your plan if you want*.



* - As long as the policy doesn't change event though we are changing the minimum requirements for all policies. Your results may vary.

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RE: OBAMA LIED!!! - 10/29/2013 11:46:26 AM   
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It will take about three years or more to see whether or not the Law has expanded coverage and cut costs. The affordable care act is modeled after Mitt Romney's plan instituted in Massachusetts.


http://www.masslive.com/politics/index.ssf/2013/10/hearings_focus_on_curbing_mass.html
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    BOSTON -- Health care spending in Massachusetts is growing at a slower rate than in the country overall – but Massachusetts residents are still spending more than the national average on their health care, according to new information released by the Massachusetts Health Policy Commission.


Yay!!

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RE: OBAMA LIED!!! - 10/29/2013 11:51:03 AM   
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FR
Or maybe not
http://thinkprogress.org/health/2013/10/28/2850061/wrong-story-obama-knowing-health-care-policy-cancelled/



If the President threw babies off the Truman Balcony, I am sure the President Obama Collarme Protection Axis would come on here and state he was teaching them to fly.

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RE: OBAMA LIED!!! - 10/29/2013 11:59:57 AM   
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Status: offline 		Higher costs to Mass residents seems unrelated to Romneycare. From your link:

Additionally, Walsh said the state must determine how to strengthen the quality of patient care, assess the impact of market consolidation on the industry and keep community hospitals strong. According to the Center for Health Information and Analysis, Blue Cross Blue Shield controls 45 percent of the commercial insurance market. At the same time, 45 percent of all commercial payments go to doctors working for just three physician groups. Boros said the market concentration “seems to be associated with higher price and higher overall expenditures.”

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RE: OBAMA LIED!!! - 10/29/2013 12:29:01 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DomKen


quote:

ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
So, the whole idea that you could keep your plan if you like it was not true, except for the first year (while it was grandfathered). The Administration knew this stuff, but continued to peddle the line.

That, Ken, is what we call a lie.

No. If you had a plan and it did not change at all you can keep it indefinitely. However the insurance companies never leave a plan alone so eventually they change it enough that the grandfathering no longer applies. However that is entirely up to the insurance companies. If they wanted you to be able to keep your plan they could leave it alone, they are aware of the law after all. Blaming this on the President is bullshit.

And keep in mind the changes that remove the grandfathered status are all changes that negatively affect the policy holder.


All documents, including insurance change to reflect changes in the law, etc. beyond the control of the insurance company. They must change the wording, exclusions, etc to conform to what the insurance commissions requires. The GOVERNMENT dictates what the policy MUST have then blame the insurance company for making changes? Why would an insurance company want to piss off, and possibly lose, 40 to 70% of its PAYING customers? Customers that are NOT high risk and high cost to maintain ?

Knowing that an insurance policy MUST change to be currenty legal, and then saying if it changes, it cannot be grandfathered is bullshit. Nice try though.

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RE: OBAMA LIED!!! - 10/29/2013 12:29:17 PM   
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Higher costs to Mass residents seems unrelated to Romneycare. From your link:
Additionally, Walsh said the state must determine how to strengthen the quality of patient care, assess the impact of market consolidation on the industry and keep community hospitals strong. According to the Center for Health Information and Analysis, Blue Cross Blue Shield controls 45 percent of the commercial insurance market. At the same time, 45 percent of all commercial payments go to doctors working for just three physician groups. Boros said the market concentration “seems to be associated with higher price and higher overall expenditures.”


You missed my point, Kali.

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    It will take about three years or more to see whether or not the Law has expanded coverage and cut costs. The affordable care act is modeled after Mitt Romney's plan instituted in Massachusetts.


We're 7 years into Romneycare, and they are still paying higher costs. There was no claim that Romneycare increased the costs, but that Romneycare (upon which cloudboy and Obama have said Obamacare is based) hasn't decreased costs.

Rather than making care "more affordable," it has shifted the costs of care. What is the basis to think that Obamacare is going to cut costs when the model it's based on isn't cutting costs?

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RE: OBAMA LIED!!! - 10/29/2013 2:54:50 PM   
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RE: OBAMA LIED!!! - 10/29/2013 4:55:39 PM   
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No....this can't be true......

Seriously....Obama lied?????

Wow....and I was sure he was the chosen one.

Wait...one question....were his lips moving?

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RE: OBAMA LIED!!! - 10/29/2013 5:19:03 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

quote:

ORIGINAL: DomKen
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
So, the whole idea that you could keep your plan if you like it was not true, except for the first year (while it was grandfathered). The Administration knew this stuff, but continued to peddle the line.
That, Ken, is what we call a lie.

No. If you had a plan and it did not change at all you can keep it indefinitely. However the insurance companies never leave a plan alone so eventually they change it enough that the grandfathering no longer applies. However that is entirely up to the insurance companies. If they wanted you to be able to keep your plan they could leave it alone, they are aware of the law after all. Blaming this on the President is bullshit.
And keep in mind the changes that remove the grandfathered status are all changes that negatively affect the policy holder.


OH, YEAH!!!

Yes, you can keep your plan if you want*.

Yes you can if the sleazy insurance companies don't make your plan worse and as long as it adheres to some aspects of the new law, like not excluding ob/gyn care for women.

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