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RE: Is ageplay illegal? - 7/3/2006 3:32:31 AM   
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Jeez it's a forum, not a court of law.


edited to replace word restricted by the TOS.

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Folks drop the "f" bomb around here routinely, and something else gets censored ?  

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RE: Is ageplay illegal? - 7/3/2006 3:32:37 AM   
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To the OP
AGE *PLAY*  is fine (really; who said it wasn't) look at the words, the hint is the word play, as opposed to say assult of a minor

To some of you others .... get a grip
one second people are whining about BDSM being wussy and PC rah rah rah....next minute lound mouth Dudley Dom-Rights has panties in a bunch cos someone is into something that is "wrong"
I dont to get go and play "Dollbecky: Judgemental Bitch!" over on the Gor forum just cos its not MY idea of a good time...
So who let the trolls out from under bridges and let them piss all over MY choices?  Talk about double standards.
Grow some balls and suck it up ...


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RE: Is ageplay illegal? - 7/3/2006 3:32:49 AM   
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No reason you should. I'd really question whether wanting to roleplay something is an indicator someone would necessarily want something 24/7. 

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RE: Is ageplay illegal? - 7/3/2006 3:47:35 AM   
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RE: Is ageplay illegal? - 7/3/2006 3:52:26 AM   
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Actually, I pretty much suspect it would be legal in practically all areas (unless there are some obscure places where a whole lot of other things are also illegal), and hopefully that will not change anytime soon. Reason being while I am not into age play -- I can see the value in it as bonding time, or as simply control (such as wearing diapers, being told to suck on a pacifier or being bottle fed) in a non-sensual way. I also have my ways that others might not wish to follow, but which really appeal to me and make me happy. So I don't believe in double standards at all. And should worse come to pass and an actual bad person IS really into age play, as another has stated I'd rather them do it consensually with another adult than break the law and various moral/ethical values in one swoop. As for my kink is better than your kink, or my way of enslaving is more proper than yours -- BS, it is all for individuals and while we may find a lot of things distasteful, or would never touch it with a ten foot pole -- does not mean we should condemn those that are into it. For example... scat. Could not pay me to even consider it, but I would defend the right of those who wanted to engage in it, just as I would hope they would defend my right to practice my form of D/s. As for if "playing" equals wanting to "live it out" in a dangerous way -- no it does not. Just because you play a video game where you battle a ten foot dragon would you actually long to REALLY be face to face with said beastie. And look at us. Just because we're into D/s and pain, and other things does not mean we want to force anyone into any of these activities.

Time to hit the sack..but I did wanted to give my 1$ and 2 cents to this conversation....



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RE: Is ageplay illegal? - 7/3/2006 3:54:53 AM   
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Hello, me back again, got friends nicking my cage and taking over my computer... lol No, my fault, forgot to check who was logged in!

Age play, as in role playing someone of a different age whether you're pretending to be sixteen or two, isn't illegal in the slightest -(In the UK where I am) and as far as I know I haven't heard of it being illegal anywhere though some countries have the oddest laws!

For everyone getting confused about what age play is about, lot of people its nothing to do with the idea of assaulting a minor, so it isn't even a "thought crime" (what happened to freedom of thought?!) for some the idea of going back to their childhood is one of escaping responsibility and relaxing, and being a child is one time when you have absolutely no control over things, hence  roleplaying as a child being a good way to do power exchange!

A few friends I know do age play and AB, and I have to say none of their reasons even verge towards the ones people might be so afraid of. Its actually becoming more popular at the moment though I guess its been taboo in many parts of the scene for a while...

For those who have a problem with it, Yawn... I think Dollbecky has it about right!

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RE: Is ageplay illegal? - 7/3/2006 5:12:32 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Subsekr
Folks drop the "f" bomb around here routinely, and something else gets censored ?  


Your not supposed to mention references to how to say it, non-adult people. So, I edited it to unmentionables which seems to be the common replacement for the banned term.

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RE: Is ageplay illegal? - 7/3/2006 5:40:08 AM   
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...3/4 plus of the people up here do incorporate sex into there play, so it's pretty much  assumed that sex will be involved most of the time unless noted.


I beg to differ.  I am an unattached submissive who loves hard, edgy play.  I play with several many pals...regularly, but I don't have sex with most of them.   What's a girl to do when she wants to experience the joys of BDSM and is single?  She plays at clubs with good friends...and just leaves the sex out of it.  I know lots of people who don't include sex with their play...........except with their significant others.
 
Me thinks people shouldn't make sweeping statements.

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RE: Is ageplay illegal? - 7/3/2006 5:44:47 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Bearlee

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ORIGINAL: NeedToUseYou
...3/4 plus of the people up here do incorporate sex into there play, so it's pretty much  assumed that sex will be involved most of the time unless noted.


I beg to differ.  I am an unattached submissive who loves hard, edgy play.  I play with several many pals...regularly, but I don't have sex with most of them.   What's a girl to do when she wants to experience the joys of BDSM and is single?  She plays at clubs with good friends...and just leaves the sex out of it.  I know lots of people who don't include sex with their play...........except with their significant others.
 
Me thinks people shouldn't make sweeping statements.


ok, ok, all I meant was. If you are into edge play, I don't mean you are going to have sex everytime, but I'd think you'd have sex some of the time in conjunction with your favourite kink in this case being edge play.  Same assumption was made in the beginning of my posts on this thread, and I mentioned sex in my first post, so since it wasn't pointed out I was in error,  I'm not sure why I'd be expected to think otherwise.


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RE: Is ageplay illegal? - 7/3/2006 5:49:18 AM   
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Double post sorry

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RE: Is ageplay illegal? - 7/3/2006 5:50:22 AM   
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ORIGINAL: NeedToUseYou

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ORIGINAL: FelinePersuasion

You know zeno it is close minded people like you who make others feel there is something to be ashamed of.


There is nothing disgusting at all about people getting needs met safely and consentually, If ageplay is how they do it so be it.

I find your judmentalisim offensive and digusting.
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ORIGINAL: zenofeller

illegal it is not. worrying it is plenty.

edit to add : caretakr you need to take your own freakin advice, that's probably the most disgusting thing i read on this forum. certainly the last of your stuff that i read.



I sorta agree with him, having a woman play like she two years old, doesn't quite sit right. I mean you sorta have to fantasize about what the fantasy your roleplaying is. So, that's disturbing to me anyway. Just as long as it stays a fantasy, no problem. But the fantasy itself does denote some degree of desire to do the act. Why else roleplay it?

Anyway, I understand where he is coming from, but I'm assuming it's all roleplaying. Maybe I just know to many women that were molested as extremely young girls to accept that fantasy as healthy. But to each his own I guess, as long as it's roleplaying.



So....having a woman "play like" she is raped and a man imagining that he is raping her during the role play "sits right" with you,
And...having a woman be consensually beaten by her partner "sits right" with you,
And...a woman tied up in a dungeon, imagining she has been stripped of all her rights and a man pretending and imagining at the same time he has taken away all of her basic human rights "sits right" with you,
And all the other stuff people here role play, stuff that people outside this community would say are depraved and sick and a sure sign of a need for therapy...those are all ok.

Just not this one thing.

Am I reading this right?

Lots of women are raped, is that fantasy unhealthy too?
Lots of women are beaten by their abusive spouses, is that fantasy unhealthy?
Lots of women are verbally abused, so is it unhealthy for women to want to be humiliated during sex?

I understand how a person may be skeezed out by another person's kink, especially when the kink is something most people would call extreme...and something tells me that the reason this particular subject doesnt sit right with you is that you are a good person who understands right from wrong and instinctively wants to protect the innocent. And those are good things. That should be recognized.

But this is hardly the place for people to start drawing lines between what's depraved but ok and depraved but not ok.

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Well, I didn't say it was a crime. I just said it was a disturbing fantasy. He pretty much said he can't be around unmentionables, as it is a hard limit. I commend him for knowing his own limits. Not hard to connect the dots. That like saying I have a rape fantasy but can't be around women. Why's that, unless I was afraid I'd lose it.


This conclusion is totally illogical. You took a few hard left turns in connecting those dots there, didntcha?

You got skeezed out by someone else's kink, which is fine. Then you got drawn into a personal posting duel with that person and tried to justify your feelings by basically indirectly accusing him of having a desire to molest unmentionables. That was very much not fine.

It's just my opinion, but I think you owe him an apology.


(edited because I used the c word)





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RE: Is ageplay illegal? - 7/3/2006 5:52:11 AM   
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ORIGINAL: zenofeller

illegal it is not. worrying it is plenty.

edit to add : caretakr you need to take your own freakin advice, that's probably the most disgusting thing i read on this forum. certainly the last of your stuff that i read.


No, Zen... what would have been disgusting is if He were to say that He were using an actual two year old.  Then, i would see reason to get angry...

This is a lifestyle that when there is TPE, limits are pushed and issues are faced and dealt with.  Since Caretakr did *NOT* go into details of the said "session", then how can one assume that He was not in fact, teaching His girl how to deal with certain aspects of her own past.  Wow.  This is a touchy topic for most people, however, judgement should not be passed down on two consenting ADULTS for doing whatever it is they do.



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RE: Is ageplay illegal? - 7/3/2006 5:55:02 AM   
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Couldn't agree with you more, becky....

play is play no matter how you look at it...

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RE: Is ageplay illegal? - 7/3/2006 6:01:51 AM   
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ORIGINAL: justheather

quote:

ORIGINAL: NeedToUseYou

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ORIGINAL: FelinePersuasion

You know zeno it is close minded people like you who make others feel there is something to be ashamed of.


There is nothing disgusting at all about people getting needs met safely and consentually, If ageplay is how they do it so be it.

I find your judmentalisim offensive and digusting.
quote:

ORIGINAL: zenofeller

illegal it is not. worrying it is plenty.

edit to add : caretakr you need to take your own freakin advice, that's probably the most disgusting thing i read on this forum. certainly the last of your stuff that i read.



I sorta agree with him, having a woman play like she two years old, doesn't quite sit right. I mean you sorta have to fantasize about what the fantasy your roleplaying is. So, that's disturbing to me anyway. Just as long as it stays a fantasy, no problem. But the fantasy itself does denote some degree of desire to do the act. Why else roleplay it?

Anyway, I understand where he is coming from, but I'm assuming it's all roleplaying. Maybe I just know to many women that were molested as extremely young girls to accept that fantasy as healthy. But to each his own I guess, as long as it's roleplaying.



So....having a woman "play like" she is raped and a man imagining that he is raping her during the role play "sits right" with you,
And...having a woman be consensually beaten by her partner "sits right" with you,
And...a woman tied up in a dungeon, imagining she has been stripped of all her rights and a man pretending and imagining at the same time he has taken away all of her basic human rights "sits right" with you,
And all the other stuff people here role play, stuff that people outside this community would say are depraved and sick and a sure sign of a need for therapy...those are all ok.

Just not this one thing.

Am I reading this right?

Lots of women are raped, is that fantasy unhealthy too?
Lots of women are beaten by their abusive spouses, is that fantasy unhealthy?
Lots of women are verbally abused, so is it unhealthy for women to want to be humiliated during sex?

I understand how a person may be skeezed out by another person's kink, especially when the kink is something most people would call extreme...and something tells me that the reason this particular subject doesnt sit right with you is that you are a good person who understands right from wrong and instinctively wants to protect the innocent. And those are good things. That should be recognized.

But this is hardly the place for people to start drawing lines between what's depraved but ok and depraved but not ok.

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Well, I didn't say it was a crime. I just said it was a disturbing fantasy. He pretty much said he can't be around unmentionables, as it is a hard limit. I commend him for knowing his own limits. Not hard to connect the dots. That like saying I have a rape fantasy but can't be around women. Why's that, unless I was afraid I'd lose it.


This conclusion is totally illogical. You took a few hard left turns in connecting those dots there, didntcha?

You got skeezed out by someone else's kink, which is fine. Then you got drawn into a personal posting duel with that person and tried to justify your feelings by basically indirectly accusing him of having a desire to molest unmentionables. That was very much not fine.

It's just my opinion, but I think you owe him an apology.


(edited because I used the c word)






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RE: Is ageplay illegal? - 7/3/2006 6:07:49 AM   
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...Well I don't care who else wants to do age play.  I am pretty open-minded about that kind of thing. I don't see anything shameful in it. I'd consider wearing a diaper and being bottle fed, etc. if that was what someone wanted of me. It might really make me feel all warm and fuzzy and cared for, too. I always sort of thought that was the goal (plus pleasing the Dom, of course. I suppose there could be many goals for ageplay, as far as that goes). I always sort  of viewed it as another way to bond. ...

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...age play -- I can see the value in it as bonding time, or as simply control (such as wearing diapers, being told to suck on a pacifier or being bottle fed) in a non-sensual way. ...

To the guy with the problem:  Here you have several people responding to the OP and so far, non of them are interested in including sex with this kind of play.  It is my belief, based on quite a bit of reading and several years involved with perverts ( LOL ), that such roll-play doesn't.  Not to say it couldn't...just that much of it doesn't. 
 
While I haven't included age-play myself (yet?)...I can see some attraction in being pampered, cuddled, hand-fed (either as baby or puppy) and none of it would include sex.  I've seen many people play 'puppy' and I'm here to tell you, the pup is no 'dog' when it comes to their sexual pleasures.  This is roll-play, not generally a 24/7 lifestyle.  People DO gotta live their lives, huh?
 
Regardless if it does or doesn't include sex, I thought HayaSierra stated it well, too:

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...As for if "playing" equals wanting to "live it out" in a dangerous way -- no it does not. Just because you play a video game where you battle a ten foot dragon would you actually long to REALLY be face to face with said beastie. ...

Yes, I'd recommend doing some reading on the topic...it's not good when you connect the dots incorrectly and make rash conclusions about another.
 
MOO...MNSHO; YMMV

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RE: Is ageplay illegal? - 7/3/2006 6:30:03 AM   
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We seem to have established that such activities are not illegal in most areas. However I think that caretakr has also made a jolly good point. Keep it behind closed doors. If it become known in the public domain It isn't the law I'd be worried about but parents of abused kids and the right wing religious (Radical) groups who could create mob violence to your body... 

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RE: Is ageplay illegal? - 7/3/2006 6:57:24 AM   
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Reads all of the posts, and blinks.

Astounding.....all this,over offering a woman role playing a few diaper changes, and a place to do it that she won't get arrested? I guess I WOULD have been better off beating her half to death, and then role playing rape instead-it's less perverted.

For those of you who understood-thank you,I'm honored to think I an still in the midst of those who DO know better!

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RE: Is ageplay illegal? - 7/3/2006 7:15:45 AM   
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You know, I think it's really sad when one pervert  insults another pervert's fantasy.

I've done a lot of ageplay with my dominant , and I'll be the first to tell you that he would NEVER look at an "Unmentionable."

He enjoys seeing the beauty of an adult female combined with an innocence often found in younger years. He's a DaddyDom and he enjoys taking care of me and being a supportive figure to me. Sometimes our ageplay is sexual and sometimes it's not. And yes, we've even acted out molestation fantasies. It doesn't make him a pedophile any more than makes me a person who's interested in father/daughter incest.

You know, I'm kind of squicky about the idea of male subs. I find it genuinely disturbing because I'm hard wired to look up to strong,dominant men. However, I'm not going to insult male subs or imply that there is something wrong with them. "Your kink is not my kink, but your kink is ok!"

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RE: Is ageplay illegal? - 7/3/2006 7:27:16 AM   
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I already told him if I was wrong to have fun.





Which is hardly as bold a statement as the one you made accusing him of being a latent you-know-what molester.

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RE: Is ageplay illegal? - 7/3/2006 7:27:47 AM   
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Ditto for insulting anyone else's kink.

But I do think maybe some people who aren't that familiar w/ageplay think there is automatically sex involved in doing it (which there doesn't have to be-  and from what I've heard much of the time there's not). Even if there is, we're back to maybe judging someone else's kink

But - some people aren't ever going to be attracted to that particular kink. Just like I am not ever going to be attraced to Scat, probably...  

So maybe this thread educated a few people. I was amazed the first time I ran across an ageplay site - I guess I knew there were people that maybe did that sort of thing, but I never thought there would be very many (but apparently there are).
To each his own.

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