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RE: Is ageplay illegal? - 7/3/2006 7:48:47 AM   
findmedaddy


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Status: offline 		It seems to *be* sexual for some and more about regression for others (like me). When trying to explain to "daddy doms" who approach me and are looking for a "dirty baby" or words to that effect, I say that it isn't about role play for me. It's about having a seemingly real little girl inside who (in my case) never got to grow up and is looking for a daddy type to help her feel safe and loved and nurtured enough to do so. But it really isn't about sex with children or about the little girl craving sex with her daddy. That may be others' reason/motivation for role play, but what I'm talking about isn't role play.

Hard to explain. Harder to find someone who understands. Discouraging to know so many out there say "Ewwwwwww" to the core of me.

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RE: Is ageplay illegal? - 7/3/2006 7:55:38 AM   
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ORIGINAL: findmedaddy
to explain. Harder to find someone who understands. Discouraging to know so many out there say "Ewwwwwww" to the core of me.


I had no idea there was a stigma attached to ageplay until my dom casually mentioned it. I stumbled upon it and it just fit and felt so right, I never questioned whether it was "okay".

I found out later, after I was already deeply engaged in the dynamic, that even among 'freaks' I was apparently still a 'freak'.

I dont care. It fits and feels right and works for me. I find a great deal of meaning and access to spiritual growth through this particular dynamic. I hope others are finding as much richness in their particular brand of kink.

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RE: Is ageplay illegal? - 7/3/2006 8:03:29 AM   
Level


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Status: offline 		I think NeedToUseYou made a mistaken, but not entirely unreasonable, assumption. Reading over the posts, I can see where his thought formed, and I commend him for speaking up on something he felt was detrimental to unmentionables. I also saw him state numerous times that he would not impede someone else's kink; and, if he doesn't like another's idea of adult, consentual fun, he has the right to say so. I find a small amount of age play interesting, but taking it down to 2 yr old stages, I have to admit I don't get that, either. And to think that no one into age-play gets hard or wet doing it is waaaay wrong, I believe.
 
But if it's consentual adults doing it, I don't have to get it.
 
Do I think Caretaker is a molester? No, I understand what he means, and I accept his word. I have never wanted kids either lol

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RE: Is ageplay illegal? - 7/3/2006 8:13:59 AM   
Caretakr


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Status: offline 		So much of what we do is all about emotional content. I feel that the Parent/little dynamic is one of the more pure D/s dynamics-simply because it does not dwell upon sex as an issue, in many cases. While sex is pleasurable, I feel that way too many people let it control them, rather than the other way round. I would rather have the option of not being a slave to my gonads.

So there is a bonding experience that comes from doing this which rather transcends..And it allows one to find a more spiritual-and less animal way of relating to another. Trust, affection, care. It's sad that more simply keep the focus below thier waists when viewing this from outside.

It speaks very poorly of the priorities they set in relationships.

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RE: Is ageplay illegal? - 7/3/2006 8:16:47 AM   
wild1cfl


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ORIGINAL: needingDaddy0

i have one simple question to ask:

Is ageplay illegal?


It better not be or I am in a LOT of trouble LOL
Seriously no it is not illegal unless you are doing ageplay with a minor, which I have known some to have done. I personally like to be able to go where I want to go so only those who are over the age of consent need apply to be my naughty schoolgirl or daughter.

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RE: Is ageplay illegal? - 7/3/2006 8:23:15 AM   
IronBear


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Status: offline 		Guess it all boils down to a very simple formula for me... "I'll defend your right to your opinion (and legal kink) but I don't have to agree with it." There a few things which friends know I personlly find abhorent so thay never get discussed when they are with me.. I do the same with them.. It is a matter of respect and common decency as well as good manners.... Same here There is the odd thread which deals with things which I won't have anything to do with (scat being one example). How easy is it for me to slip those threads and read those which iterest me. I make no criticl comment to or about any who have different ideas to me.. Their kink is good for them and I wish them well with it.... No big deal

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RE: Is ageplay illegal? - 7/3/2006 8:25:07 AM   
feastie


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Status: offline 		Everyone has the right to form their own opinions about any topic posted here and they have the right to post what they feel.  They even have the right to change their mind after reading a few other viewpoints.

Age play interests some people.  For some people, they have the need for the Daddy/daughter dynamic, nothing more.  Others find the Daddy/daughter sexual dynamic to be their cup of tea.  As long as either occurs between consenting adults, who cares?  (Although, I do admit having a major dislike for 40something men or older hooking up with barely legal girls, but that's MY thing)

I had a friend who loved being tucked into bed with a teddy bear and having a story read to her.  I never personally understood the attraction, but hey...it's HER life.

I have had men give me stuffed animals as gifts.  Thank you! (Now what the hell am I supposed to do with this?)  I'm not into the dynamic.  And that's ok for me, I just won't be with someone that is into it.  That's my choice.

Bottom line is this...as long as it's legal, all parties are consenting adults, it's ok.  You may personally not understand it, you may even be disturbed by it, but that doesn't mean it's wrong for everyone, just wrong for you.

By the same token, if someone doesn't enjoy your personal kink, he's not wrong for not agreeing with you. 

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RE: Is ageplay illegal? - 7/3/2006 8:26:27 AM   
wild1cfl


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illegal it is not. worrying it is plenty.

edit to add : caretakr you need to take your own freakin advice, that's probably the most disgusting thing i read on this forum. certainly the last of your stuff that i read.


zeno,
While you may personally find what he wrote disgusting, it may be his kink, or he may have just written it to explain what he was saying. Whatever reason he wrote it I do nto think you need to bash him for it. I would say the same thing about your postings on the use of alcohol anally in another thread. I agree with you about this, but others that do nt agree with you have written good rebuttals and others have bashed you. I would hope that we could keep the forums as a place for discussion not a place to bash each others kinks  


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My Falcon now is sharp, and passing empty; And, till she stoop, she shall not be full gorg'd, For then she never looks upon her lure. Another way i have to man my haggard, to make her come and know her keeper's call. Wm. Shakespeare

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RE: Is ageplay illegal? - 7/3/2006 8:48:17 AM   
findmedaddy


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ORIGINAL: justheather


I dont care. It fits and feels right and works for me. I find a great deal of meaning and access to spiritual growth through this particular dynamic. I hope others are finding as much richness in their particular brand of kink.


I'm so happy for you, that you've found this fulfillment. Congratulations. I know it isn't easy.

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RE: Is ageplay illegal? - 7/3/2006 8:49:18 AM   
findmedaddy


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Status: offline 		By the way, OP, I don't think ageplay is illegal...Sorry to have ignored your question and gotten off on my own musings.

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RE: Is ageplay illegal? - 7/3/2006 9:07:53 AM   
Tashacurly


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Status: offline 		I've never been one to tell another what they desire or like, or whatever their "kink" may be, is wrong...of course, as long as it were a legal one. Sure, I have morals...and that's not to say that those who practice things I deem as morally wrong don't have a good set of morals of their own. With that said, I suppose I'll express my OPINION on age-play.
For me, considering my past and all...it is not okay for me to do age-play. I made that clear to my master and Lord before I became involved romatically with them...as it is a hard limit with me. Is it a "no-no" with me because I find it disgusting that it is practiced by others in general? Not at all...I don't find it disgusting in the first place. But for me, I have issues with childhood sexual abuse, and any thing that reminds me of such abuse...weather it be simply "acting" like a child with my lover, or it being a sexual act in such pretend...causes Flashbacks for me, and anyone who knows what a flashback is and is like, could understand my desire not to do such role-playing. I find it incredibly triggering for me. However, as long as it is legal and between consenting adults, hey have a good time....who are we to judge others?

Tasha

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RE: Is ageplay illegal? - 7/3/2006 9:10:47 AM   
BitaTruble


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i have one simple question to ask:

Is ageplay illegal?


If it is, are you going to do it anyway?

I do a hell of a lot of stuff that's illegal (mostly because the laws regarding them are designed to protect me ... but I don't need that sort of protection) but I am willing to suffer whatever consequences may ensue because of those activities and I won't complain about it when it happens. Arm yourself with knowledge, make your choices accordingly. If the flight is worth the risk to you, have fun.. if it's not worth the risk, don't do it.

As far as I know, age play is only illegal when it goes forwards, not backwards .. as in pretending to be 21 when you are in fact 18 so you can buy beer or something. That said, there is a movie out (or coming out) that features a con man pretending to be an ankle biter for nefarious purposes, so there may be information on the net because Hollywood (or wherever) has brought something to light so you can check that as a source as well. Google is your friend! I do know that law enforcement agents will often get online pretending to be much younger than their actual age to catch predators.


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RE: Is ageplay illegal? - 7/3/2006 9:16:09 AM   
Bearlee


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ORIGINAL: Level

I think NeedToUseYou made a mistaken, but not entirely unreasonable, assumption. Reading over the posts, I can see where his thought formed, and I commend him for speaking up on something he felt was detrimental to unmentionables. I also saw him state numerous times that he would not impede someone else's kink; and, if he doesn't like another's idea of adult, consentual fun, he has the right to say so. ...

  I like that we can use the forum for adult conversation, discussion and debate.  Sometimes we (myself and many others) forget how difficult it is to 'read' the emotion and attitude behind typewritten words.  I often wish I knew how to word things better.  Thank you, Level.
 
beverly

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RE: Is ageplay illegal? - 7/3/2006 10:16:19 AM   
Caretakr


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ORIGINAL: Bearlee

quote:

ORIGINAL: Level

I think NeedToUseYou made a mistaken, but not entirely unreasonable, assumption. Reading over the posts, I can see where his thought formed, and I commend him for speaking up on something he felt was detrimental to unmentionables. I also saw him state numerous times that he would not impede someone else's kink; and, if he doesn't like another's idea of adult, consentual fun, he has the right to say so. ...

  I like that we can use the forum for adult conversation, discussion and debate.  Sometimes we (myself and many others) forget how difficult it is to 'read' the emotion and attitude behind typewritten words.  I often wish I knew how to word things better.  Thank you, Level.
 
beverly


This is why I tried to inform, rather than dismiss his views as irrelevant. It did him credit that he cared about other people.

And while I did tell him that I felt he was ignorant on the subject-I can only respect that he had the balls to stand up for what he felt to be right.

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RE: Is ageplay illegal? - 7/3/2006 10:24:00 AM   
Noah


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Status: offline 		To the OP.

Coming to a place like this for legal advice strikes me as a very weak idea. Laws are particular to places, called jurisdictions, and laws vary from one jurisdiction to another. Follow the careful advice of an expert from my neighborhood and your local authorities may have plenty of reason to come after you, depending on how our respective laws vary.

I hope you've found something helpful in this thread but if you are either planning to engage in the activity and have genuine concerns about legality, or if you posted because you intend to strip your ex of parental rights by accusing him of this, I think you should take the advice of the person who said to seek qualified legal counsel.

I am not making any assumptions about your motivation.

Those who post as though legality were the prime consideration in regard to the kinks of others, and then post elsewhere about their own expertise in behavior which is illegal in most jurisdictions I know of (things like consensual bondage and pretty much anything BDSM-y that would leave a mark, for instance) just confuse me.

I don't consult the law whatsoever when making a decision about right and wrong. I know that the law itself can be wrong. I consult the law closely in deciding how to behave in regard to an activity which I find morally acceptable. I do this for prudential, not moral reasons and I hope you do too.

Civil disobedience is by definition illegal. I believe in civil disobedience in certain sorts of cases. The very illegality of an act can be the noblest reason to engage in it. An example would be the actions of the American Freedom Riders who in some cases at great expense and risk to themselves travelled across the United States for no other reason than to drink from a water fountain which an unjust law said they were not allowed to drink from.

Their subsequent arrests and trials contributed to the forcing of a resolution in the courts which the relevant legislatures lacked the wisdom or fortitude to provide.

There are other examples from across the globe.

If this activity is illegal in your jurisdiction you might well decide to engage in it, even publicly, to help with the overturning of the law. That would be both bold and brave. I wouldn't attack you for following your conscience in that direction, even though you would be in fact engaging in illegal kink.

I believe in being guided by conscience in cases where lawmakers have written laws which are in my view dangerously misguided. I'm glad I don't find too many of them.





And Daddy knows best, sweet pea.




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RE: Is ageplay illegal? - 7/3/2006 10:35:06 AM   
Bearlee


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Status: offline 		Yes, Sir...I noticed you were patient with him; far more than I would have managed.  I enjoy reading posts from the likes of yourself, Celeste and Level...and many others, too.  Gradually I am learning to express myself better and to just ignore those who insist on backbiting.  Keep up the good work; you are an asset here.

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RE: Is ageplay illegal? - 7/3/2006 10:37:57 AM   
Level


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ORIGINAL: Bearlee

quote:

ORIGINAL: Level

I think NeedToUseYou made a mistaken, but not entirely unreasonable, assumption. Reading over the posts, I can see where his thought formed, and I commend him for speaking up on something he felt was detrimental to unmentionables. I also saw him state numerous times that he would not impede someone else's kink; and, if he doesn't like another's idea of adult, consentual fun, he has the right to say so. ...

  I like that we can use the forum for adult conversation, discussion and debate.  Sometimes we (myself and many others) forget how difficult it is to 'read' the emotion and attitude behind typewritten words.  I often wish I knew how to word things better.  Thank you, Level.
 
beverly


You welcome .  I agree 100% about the difficulty in reading others emotions/intent, beverly; I guess it's good we all have one another to bat things around sometimes, I know it helps me understand better at times.

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RE: Is ageplay illegal? - 7/3/2006 10:40:00 AM   
Caretakr


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Status: offline 		Bearlee,if  merely react, rather than act-all is lost.

I consider it a responsibility to educate, and bring awareness to wiitd.....and you will not accomplish that by reacting to negativity with negativity. It only feeds the downward spiral....

Rather, I would like to help the reader to see the positive side-and banish ignorance. And that goal is more important than defending my own feelings and prefferences.

I appreciate your postive response to me, and hope you will take it into your heart to do likewise.

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RE: Is ageplay illegal? - 7/3/2006 10:51:43 AM   
Bearlee


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ORIGINAL: Caretakr
Bearlee,if  merely react, rather than act-all is lost.

I consider it a responsibility to educate, and bring awareness to wiitd.....and you will not accomplish that by reacting to negativity with negativity. It only feeds the downward spiral....

Rather, I would like to help the reader to see the positive side-and banish ignorance. And that goal is more important than defending my own feelings and prefferences.

I appreciate your postive response to me, and hope you will take it into your heart to do likewise.  


<reads up and comes back, puzzled>  Yes, I understand what you are saying…I think.
 
As I said above, I am learning more about how to respond (or not) to certain posts and e-mails.  I am one who sometimes shoots from the hip in the very tone I objected to in the first place.  And…it never ‘looks’ pretty here, does it?
 
Still, I’m a bit confused what it is you hope I do likewise?  See the positive and banish ignorance?  If that is it…I’m getting there; even if NOT responding is the best I can do.
 
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RE: Is ageplay illegal? - 7/3/2006 11:16:44 AM   
Caretakr


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ORIGINAL: Bearlee

quote:

ORIGINAL: Caretakr
Bearlee,if  merely react, rather than act-all is lost.

I consider it a responsibility to educate, and bring awareness to wiitd.....and you will not accomplish that by reacting to negativity with negativity. It only feeds the downward spiral....

Rather, I would like to help the reader to see the positive side-and banish ignorance. And that goal is more important than defending my own feelings and prefferences.

I appreciate your postive response to me, and hope you will take it into your heart to do likewise.  


<reads up and comes back, puzzled>  Yes, I understand what you are saying…I think.
 
As I said above, I am learning more about how to respond (or not) to certain posts and e-mails.  I am one who sometimes shoots from the hip in the very tone I objected to in the first place.  And…it never ‘looks’ pretty here, does it?
 
Still, I’m a bit confused what it is you hope I do likewise?  See the positive and banish ignorance?  If that is it…I’m getting there; even if NOT responding is the best I can do.
 
beverly


No, I am asking you to find the emotion in what you object to, and name it. This then gives one a handle to grip-and in time, you learn to control it.

And when you achieve mastery over them, they become your servants. Rather than you serving them-they make the poorest of Masters.

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