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RE: El Paso police officer murdered by unarmed 17 year old - 11/20/2013 7:55:18 PM   
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pulling the legs out from underneath him sounds like what knocked him out, people go down a lot differently like that, and Id like to see the autopsy records on his skull
its a bit like appless n giraffes, but yanno reality has nothing to do with the fact that this kid deserves jail for killing a cop, if the cop was armed, to make this.... relevant, why didnt he use it?
No Im not blaming the cop. Im blaming the shit that took his legs from under him and put him in a coma. then died as a result of his injuries.

Because he was knocked out when he hit the ground.

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RE: El Paso police officer murdered by unarmed 17 year old - 11/20/2013 7:57:45 PM   
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This story is well over a year old. http://www.elpasotimes.com/tablehome/ci_21708260/el-paso-police-officer-dies-from-sept-25

The cop was off duty and his personal vehicle got vandalized. He left his home and went looking for the person he thought did it. He was wrong to do that. (and stupid) When a cop is off duty and a victim of a crime he is the same as any other citizen. He should have reported it to the police and let them handle it. I feel terrible that he died but he never should have taken it to the streets. He should have handled it through the proper channels. As a cop he should have known better. And the ones who killed him just might get off with self-defense or SYG.



I am not sure what the date matters but I doubt they will get off with SYG. Did you actually read this somewhere or are you just guessing?

In one of the many El Paso Times articles one of Gonzales's friends said he might claim self defense.

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RE: El Paso police officer murdered by unarmed 17 year old - 11/20/2013 11:14:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		Every crime an on duty officer responds to is called in. Someone always knows where he is and whether or not he needs back up. Most police radios even have GPS in them now so that if an officer is not responding they can still find him. You never ever go out on a call without letting someone know where you are. No one was making off with his property. A punk kid scratched his car and it was not worth dying over. It is a conflict of interest for a cop to be the investigating officer on a crime that he himself is the victim of. If he had called 911 and at least let them know "this is officer Molina, off duty and I am following a 2 suspicious males who vandalized my car I will be headed north on _______ street." before he approached the boys; he may still be alive.

We throw that word "hero" around so carelessly these days. We glorify unwise decisions as if it is some kind of badge of honor to get into a life ending altercation over a scratched vehicle. He didn't die saving a life, he died because he was pissed about his car (who wouldn't be pissed?) and approached a group of violent fools. I would rather have him alive with a scratched car than dead. And we don't know if that boy is going to prison or not. If he doesn't; this will have all been for nothing.

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RE: El Paso police officer murdered by unarmed 17 year old - 11/20/2013 11:50:53 PM   
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I am not sure what the date matters but I doubt they will get off with SYG. Did you actually read this somewhere or are you just guessing?


The facts of the case were all in the link I posted in my last post. The self-defense/SYG part was purely opinion but I just checked and I was pretty spot on. http://www.elpasotimes.com/ci_22029939/bond-reduced-suspect-police-officers-death

The boy's lawyer is using a self-defense plea claiming that the officer aggressively confronted the boys, used profanity and gay slurs towards them and basically passed the first lick. So that was actually a good guess on my part.

Like I said I feel very sorry for the death of this officer but what he did was very foolish. What exactly did he think was going to happen when he approached these men on the streets, off duty, out of uniform with no backup regarding a very personal incident? And he only decided to call 911 after he approached them and the situation started going south. I am very sorry he died and I sincerely hope the boy who killed him will do time, but I won't hold my breath. Again his actions were very foolish and will be used to defend the suspect. Police officers are not too popular these days and the officer was clearly wrong in how he handled this. That will most likely have a lot of influence on the outcome of this case. That being said he did not deserve to die and he does deserve justice. I hope he gets it.



But they were just children.

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RE: El Paso police officer murdered by unarmed 17 year old - 11/21/2013 3:32:22 AM   
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RE: El Paso police officer murdered by unarmed 17 year old - 11/21/2013 3:34:10 AM   
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pulling the legs out from underneath him sounds like what knocked him out, people go down a lot differently like that, and Id like to see the autopsy records on his skull
its a bit like appless n giraffes, but yanno reality has nothing to do with the fact that this kid deserves jail for killing a cop, if the cop was armed, to make this.... relevant, why didnt he use it?
No Im not blaming the cop. Im blaming the shit that took his legs from under him and put him in a coma. then died as a result of his injuries.

Because he was knocked out when he hit the ground.

obviously not hard enough.
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RE: El Paso police officer murdered by unarmed 17 year old - 11/21/2013 4:51:54 AM   
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I am not sure what the date matters but I doubt they will get off with SYG. Did you actually read this somewhere or are you just guessing?


The facts of the case were all in the link I posted in my last post. The self-defense/SYG part was purely opinion but I just checked and I was pretty spot on. http://www.elpasotimes.com/ci_22029939/bond-reduced-suspect-police-officers-death

The boy's lawyer is using a self-defense plea claiming that the officer aggressively confronted the boys, used profanity and gay slurs towards them and basically passed the first lick. So that was actually a good guess on my part.

Like I said I feel very sorry for the death of this officer but what he did was very foolish. What exactly did he think was going to happen when he approached these men on the streets, off duty, out of uniform with no backup regarding a very personal incident? And he only decided to call 911 after he approached them and the situation started going south. I am very sorry he died and I sincerely hope the boy who killed him will do time, but I won't hold my breath. Again his actions were very foolish and will be used to defend the suspect. Police officers are not too popular these days and the officer was clearly wrong in how he handled this. That will most likely have a lot of influence on the outcome of this case. That being said he did not deserve to die and he does deserve justice. I hope he gets it.



But they were just children.


Yes they were. Maybe now, people will finally learn to stop following and confronting children on the street. One way or another it always seems to turn out very badly for both parties, doesn't it?

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RE: El Paso police officer murdered by unarmed 17 year old - 11/21/2013 5:34:11 AM   
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This story is well over a year old. http://www.elpasotimes.com/tablehome/ci_21708260/el-paso-police-officer-dies-from-sept-25

The cop was off duty and his personal vehicle got vandalized. He left his home and went looking for the person he thought did it. He was wrong to do that. (and stupid) When a cop is off duty and a victim of a crime he is the same as any other citizen. He should have reported it to the police and let them handle it. I feel terrible that he died but he never should have taken it to the streets. He should have handled it through the proper channels. As a cop he should have known better. And the ones who killed him just might get off with self-defense or SYG.



I am not sure what the date matters but I doubt they will get off with SYG. Did you actually read this somewhere or are you just guessing?

In one of the many El Paso Times articles one of Gonzales's friends said he might claim self defense.



That is fucked up but I suppose I shouldn't be surprised.

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RE: El Paso police officer murdered by unarmed 17 year old - 11/21/2013 12:28:14 PM   
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I am not sure what the date matters but I doubt they will get off with SYG. Did you actually read this somewhere or are you just guessing?


The facts of the case were all in the link I posted in my last post. The self-defense/SYG part was purely opinion but I just checked and I was pretty spot on. http://www.elpasotimes.com/ci_22029939/bond-reduced-suspect-police-officers-death

The boy's lawyer is using a self-defense plea claiming that the officer aggressively confronted the boys, used profanity and gay slurs towards them and basically passed the first lick. So that was actually a good guess on my part.

Like I said I feel very sorry for the death of this officer but what he did was very foolish. What exactly did he think was going to happen when he approached these men on the streets, off duty, out of uniform with no backup regarding a very personal incident? And he only decided to call 911 after he approached them and the situation started going south. I am very sorry he died and I sincerely hope the boy who killed him will do time, but I won't hold my breath. Again his actions were very foolish and will be used to defend the suspect. Police officers are not too popular these days and the officer was clearly wrong in how he handled this. That will most likely have a lot of influence on the outcome of this case. That being said he did not deserve to die and he does deserve justice. I hope he gets it.



But they were just children.


Yes they were. Maybe now, people will finally learn to stop following and confronting children on the street. One way or another it always seems to turn out very badly for both parties, doesn't it?

I forgot to use the sarcasm font.
And congratulations you are the first person I have seen honest enough to come out in support of feral teenagers

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RE: El Paso police officer murdered by unarmed 17 year old - 11/21/2013 12:29:19 PM   
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This story is well over a year old. http://www.elpasotimes.com/tablehome/ci_21708260/el-paso-police-officer-dies-from-sept-25

The cop was off duty and his personal vehicle got vandalized. He left his home and went looking for the person he thought did it. He was wrong to do that. (and stupid) When a cop is off duty and a victim of a crime he is the same as any other citizen. He should have reported it to the police and let them handle it. I feel terrible that he died but he never should have taken it to the streets. He should have handled it through the proper channels. As a cop he should have known better. And the ones who killed him just might get off with self-defense or SYG.



I am not sure what the date matters but I doubt they will get off with SYG. Did you actually read this somewhere or are you just guessing?

In one of the many El Paso Times articles one of Gonzales's friends said he might claim self defense.



That is fucked up but I suppose I shouldn't be surprised.

Self defense will be hard to claim since he kept beating him after he was unconscious.

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RE: El Paso police officer murdered by unarmed 17 year old - 11/21/2013 12:36:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		jeez, zimmerman shot him till he was dead from when he wasnt and that was self defense.  looks like the same shit to me.


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RE: El Paso police officer murdered by unarmed 17 year old - 11/21/2013 12:38:17 PM   
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jeez, zimmerman shot him till he was dead from when he wasnt and that was self defense.  looks like the same shit to me.


No, Zimmerman shot him once, this is as if Zimmerman had stood over him and continued shooting until he was out of bullets, very different.

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RE: El Paso police officer murdered by unarmed 17 year old - 11/21/2013 12:57:20 PM   
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jeez, zimmerman shot him till he was dead from when he wasnt and that was self defense.  looks like the same shit to me.


No, Zimmerman shot him once, this is as if Zimmerman had stood over him and continued shooting until he was out of bullets, very different.


So the OP was about zimmie all along.

Seems to me that the thug in question here hit the policeman who died when his head hit the floor, that would be manslaughter in the UK. if guilty thid kid should serve the appropriate term.

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RE: El Paso police officer murdered by unarmed 17 year old - 11/21/2013 1:01:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		agreed, but clearly he isnt guilty, it was stand your ground Peon. 

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RE: El Paso police officer murdered by unarmed 17 year old - 11/21/2013 1:10:16 PM   
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pulling the legs out from underneath him sounds like what knocked him out, people go down a lot differently like that, and Id like to see the autopsy records on his skull
its a bit like appless n giraffes, but yanno reality has nothing to do with the fact that this kid deserves jail for killing a cop, if the cop was armed, to make this.... relevant, why didnt he use it?
No Im not blaming the cop. Im blaming the shit that took his legs from under him and put him in a coma. then died as a result of his injuries.

Because he was knocked out when he hit the ground.

obviously not hard enough.
PEH

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RE: El Paso police officer murdered by unarmed 17 year old - 11/21/2013 2:07:22 PM   
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agreed, but clearly he isnt guilty, it was stand your ground Peon. 


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RE: El Paso police officer murdered by unarmed 17 year old - 11/21/2013 2:16:54 PM   
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jeez, zimmerman shot him till he was dead from when he wasnt and that was self defense.  looks like the same shit to me.


No, Zimmerman shot him once, this is as if Zimmerman had stood over him and continued shooting until he was out of bullets, very different.


no, the tools are different and so is their efficaicy and therefore implementation.  It is exactly the same, asshole confronts, man stands ground, fuckin asshole dead, simple ...same as last time.

If zimmerman would have knifed him, clubbed him or if the pussy would have beaten him to death.....same difference someone dead, stand your ground. 

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RE: El Paso police officer murdered by unarmed 17 year old - 11/21/2013 2:19:31 PM   
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agreed, but clearly he isnt guilty, it was stand your ground Peon. 


PoliteSub is actually a different person to me, Ron. I hope that helps.



I saw the surfeit of skin his head, your belly and was understandably confused.  I see it now, he is drinking tetley.  My mistake. 

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RE: El Paso police officer murdered by unarmed 17 year old - 11/21/2013 2:21:03 PM   
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jeez, zimmerman shot him till he was dead from when he wasnt and that was self defense.  looks like the same shit to me.


No, Zimmerman shot him once, this is as if Zimmerman had stood over him and continued shooting until he was out of bullets, very different.


Zimmerman is driven to the ground and head banged repeatedly, he is scratched, this kid drops the cop with an iron broom and the fucker is passed out?

Cmon, who you shitting.....

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RE: El Paso police officer murdered by unarmed 17 year old - 11/21/2013 4:39:02 PM   
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jeez, zimmerman shot him till he was dead from when he wasnt and that was self defense.  looks like the same shit to me.


No, Zimmerman shot him once, this is as if Zimmerman had stood over him and continued shooting until he was out of bullets, very different.



There you go again trying to drag facts into a discussion. No one cares if it is different or not, they are just concerned with scoring points. But I suppose that is better than those who seem to think we should just turn our backs on kids doing bad things because then no one gets hurt. Of course then kids then grow up to be real assholes because no one has taught them about the consequences of their actions but I guess we are not supposed to care about that. I am waiting for the next time a cop gets in the same situation and pulls his gun. Then you will see people getting all upset because the poor kid got shot.

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