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jeez, zimmerman shot him till he was dead from when he wasnt and that was self defense.  looks like the same shit to me.

No, Zimmerman shot him once, this is as if Zimmerman had stood over him and continued shooting until he was out of bullets, very different.

Zimmerman is driven to the ground and head banged repeatedly, he is scratched, this kid drops the cop with an iron broom and the fucker is passed out?

Cmon, who you shitting.....

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agreed, but clearly he isnt guilty, it was stand your ground Peon. 

PoliteSub is actually a different person to me, Ron. I hope that helps.

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There you go again trying to drag facts into a discussion. No one cares if it is different or not, they are just concerned with scoring points. But I suppose that is better than those who seem to think we should just turn our backs on kids doing bad things because then no one gets hurt. Of course then kids then grow up to be real assholes because no one has taught them about the consequences of their actions but I guess we are not supposed to care about that. I am waiting for the next time a cop gets in the same situation and pulls his gun. Then you will see people getting all upset because the poor kid got shot.

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I am not sure what the date matters but I doubt they will get off with SYG. Did you actually read this somewhere or are you just guessing?

The facts of the case were all in the link I posted in my last post. The self-defense/SYG part was purely opinion but I just checked and I was pretty spot on. http://www.elpasotimes.com/ci_22029939/bond-reduced-suspect-police-officers-death

The boy's lawyer is using a self-defense plea claiming that the officer aggressively confronted the boys, used profanity and gay slurs towards them and basically passed the first lick. So that was actually a good guess on my part.

Like I said I feel very sorry for the death of this officer but what he did was very foolish. What exactly did he think was going to happen when he approached these men on the streets, off duty, out of uniform with no backup regarding a very personal incident? And he only decided to call 911 after he approached them and the situation started going south. I am very sorry he died and I sincerely hope the boy who killed him will do time, but I won't hold my breath. Again his actions were very foolish and will be used to defend the suspect. Police officers are not too popular these days and the officer was clearly wrong in how he handled this. That will most likely have a lot of influence on the outcome of this case. That being said he did not deserve to die and he does deserve justice. I hope he gets it.

But they were just children.

Yes they were. Maybe now, people will finally learn to stop following and confronting children on the street. One way or another it always seems to turn out very badly for both parties, doesn't it?

I forgot to use the sarcasm font.
And congratulations you are the first person I have seen honest enough to come out in support of feral teenagers

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Don't just make crap up. I never once supported the teenagers. Neither do I support this new idiotic vigilante mentality that Americans seem to be so hyped up on lately. Its causing a lot of senseless deaths. (stupid people pulling off the freeway to shoot each other at car washes, grown ass men shooting women in distress who knock on their door for help, fools like zim confronting teenage boys whom he admitted had done nothing prior to the confrontation.) Now this officer is dead and over what? A bunch of BS. Every car owner in this country has had their car scratched before. The smart ones are still alive to tell it. This mentality that is causing people to seek out violent altercations is immature, reckless and unnecessary. Americans need to grow the hell up and stop the foolishness.

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It is a conflict of interest for a cop to be the investigating officer on a crime that he himself is the victim of. .

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fools like zim confronting teenage boys whom he admitted had done nothing prior to the confrontation.

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Except that prosecution witnesses stated that Martin initiated the confrontation.
And when shot he was committing a felony, that is why Zimmerman was acquitted.

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fools like zim confronting teenage boys whom he admitted had done nothing prior to the confrontation.

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Except that prosecution witnesses stated that Martin initiated the confrontation.
And when shot he was committing a felony, that is why Zimmerman was acquitted.

Whatever the case- it could have been avoided. One is dead and the other one's life is pretty much ruined. (Funny how that seems to always be the outcome.) No matter what else happened in that case or this one; this. is. foolishness. and it needs to stop.

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Even though Molina wasn't investigating, I'd love to see the link to that law.

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It is a conflict of interest for a cop to be the investigating officer on a crime that he himself is the victim of. .

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fools like zim confronting teenage boys whom he admitted had done nothing prior to the confrontation.

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Except that prosecution witnesses stated that Martin initiated the confrontation.
And when shot he was committing a felony, that is why Zimmerman was acquitted.

Whatever the case- it could have been avoided. One is dead and the other one's life is pretty much ruined. (Funny how that seems to always be the outcome.) No matter what else happened in that case or this one; this. is. foolishness. and it needs to stop.

And what is your answer to feral teens? Ignore them and they will go away simply will not work.
Do you realize that you are saying that the blame lies with Molina and not Gonzales?

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Even though Molina wasn't investigating, I'd love to see the link to that law.

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It is a conflict of interest for a cop to be the investigating officer on a crime that he himself is the victim of. .

It doesn't have to be a law for it to be a conflict of interest. A conflict of interest is when an individual is involved in more than one interest and one of those interests could cause him to possibly be biased in how he handled the other interest.

Example: It would be a conflict of interest for a cop to be involved in a vehicle accident with me and then have that same cop also be the accident reconstructionist who assigns blame in that accident. Its not "necessarily" illegal but it is totally inappropriate and it taints whatever outcome he reaches in his investigation. (the same goes for investigating a crime that the officer himself is a victim of.)

Merriam Webster:
Definition of CONFLICT OF INTEREST: a conflict between the private interests and the official responsibilities of a person in a position of trust.

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That would be great, but there is zero factual evidence that this was the case with Molina. 

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Even though Molina wasn't investigating, I'd love to see the link to that law.

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It is a conflict of interest for a cop to be the investigating officer on a crime that he himself is the victim of. .

It doesn't have to be a law for it to be a conflict of interest. A conflict of interest is when an individual is involved in more than one interest and one of those interests could cause him to possibly be biased in how he handled the other interest.

Example: It would be a conflict of interest for a cop to be involved in a vehicle accident with me and then have that same cop also be the accident reconstructionist who assigns blame in that accident. Its not "necessarily" illegal but it is totally inappropriate and it taints whatever outcome he reaches in his investigation. (the same goes for investigating a crime that the officer himself is a victim of.)

Merriam Webster:
Definition of CONFLICT OF INTEREST: a conflict between the private interests and the official responsibilities of a person in a position of trust.

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fools like zim confronting teenage boys whom he admitted had done nothing prior to the confrontation.

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Except that prosecution witnesses stated that Martin initiated the confrontation.
And when shot he was committing a felony, that is why Zimmerman was acquitted.

Whatever the case- it could have been avoided. One is dead and the other one's life is pretty much ruined. (Funny how that seems to always be the outcome.) No matter what else happened in that case or this one; this. is. foolishness. and it needs to stop.

And what is your answer to feral teens? Ignore them and they will go away simply will not work.
Do you realize that you are saying that the blame lies with Molina and not Gonzales?

My answer? Police (on duty ones)- court system- prison.
Please show me where I said Molina was the blame. You can't because I didn't.

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fools like zim confronting teenage boys whom he admitted had done nothing prior to the confrontation.

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Except that prosecution witnesses stated that Martin initiated the confrontation.
And when shot he was committing a felony, that is why Zimmerman was acquitted.

Whatever the case- it could have been avoided. One is dead and the other one's life is pretty much ruined. (Funny how that seems to always be the outcome.) No matter what else happened in that case or this one; this. is. foolishness. and it needs to stop.

And what is your answer to feral teens? Ignore them and they will go away simply will not work.
Do you realize that you are saying that the blame lies with Molina and not Gonzales?

My answer? Police (on duty ones)- court system- prison.
Please show me where I said Molina was the blame. You can't because I didn't.

The cop was off duty and his personal vehicle got vandalized. He left his home and went looking for the person he thought did it. He was wrong to do that. (and stupid) When a cop is off duty and a victim of a crime he is the same as any other citizen. He should have reported it to the police and let them handle it. I feel terrible that he died but he never should have taken it to the streets. He should have handled it through the proper channels. As a cop he should have known better. And the ones who killed him just might get off with self-defense or SYG.


Like I said I feel very sorry for the death of this officer but what he did was very foolish. What exactly did he think was going to happen when he approached these men on the streets, off duty, out of uniform with no backup regarding a very personal incident? And he only decided to call 911 after he approached them and the situation started going south. I am very sorry he died and I sincerely hope the boy who killed him will do time, but I won't hold my breath. Again his actions were very foolish and will be used to defend the suspect

When you tell us how foolish the cop was, how everything he did constituted a conflict of interest, and how this can be a foundation for self defense it sounds like one thing it was all his fault, after all if he had just accepted that they scratched up his car nothing would have happened.

It may not be your intention but you make the murdering punk sound like the victim.

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I edited my previous msg to say that one of the articles said that the PD and/or DA stated that Molina approached the teens because he was investigating an alleged crime. If that's not the case, then he has probably set up a really good "self defense" case for Gonzalez. A big question in this case will most likely be whether or not Molina was acting under the color of law (ie- in his official capacity as an officer). If he was, then Gonzalez's lawyer will say it was a conflict of interest. If he was not; then the moment he physically touched Gonzalez (if that is indeed how it happened) Gonzalez's lawyer will claim it was self defense. Either way, its a crazy, screwed up situation that was not worth this man's life. Again- foolishness.

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Everything Morales did was wrong, he provided justification for self defense but no your not saying it's his fault.
BTW he didn't wait till "things went south" to call for backup, he had to have done it sooner because as soon as things went south he was unconscious with a fractured skull.

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I edited my previous msg to say that one of the articles said that the PD and/or DA stated that Molina approached the teens because he was investigating an alleged crime. If that's not the case, then he has probably set up a really good "self defense" case for Gonzalez. A big question in this case will most likely be whether or not Molina was acting under the color of law (ie- in his official capacity as an officer). If he was, then Gonzalez's lawyer will say it was a conflict of interest. If he was not; then the moment he physically touched Gonzalez (if that is indeed how it happened) Gonzalez's lawyer will claim it was self defense. Either way, its a crazy, screwed up situation that was not worth this man's life. Again- foolishness.

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Everything Morales did was wrong, he provided justification for self defense but no your not saying it's his fault.
BTW he didn't wait till "things went south" to call for backup, he had to have done it sooner because as soon as things went south he was unconscious with a fractured skull.

Like I said- "results may vary." What I wrote and what you read are obviously two different things. I accept that. You can accept it or not. Again your issue not mine.

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I edited my previous msg to say that one of the articles said that the PD and/or DA stated that Molina approached the teens because he was investigating an alleged crime. If that's not the case, then he has probably set up a really good "self defense" case for Gonzalez. A big question in this case will most likely be whether or not Molina was acting under the color of law (ie- in his official capacity as an officer). If he was, then Gonzalez's lawyer will say it was a conflict of interest. If he was not; then the moment he physically touched Gonzalez (if that is indeed how it happened) Gonzalez's lawyer will claim it was self defense. Either way, its a crazy, screwed up situation that was not worth this man's life. Again- foolishness.

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Everything Morales did was wrong, he provided justification for self defense but no your not saying it's his fault.
BTW he didn't wait till "things went south" to call for backup, he had to have done it sooner because as soon as things went south he was unconscious with a fractured skull.

Like I said- "results may vary." What I wrote and what you read are obviously two different things. I accept that. You can accept it or not. Again your issue not mine.

He was not investigating an alleged crime, he had seen the crime committed.