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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

He's tossing around lies because the facts are proving him wrong as always. At last count over 2 million Americans have gotten insurance through the exchanges.

I dare you.
Find a source that says 2million people have signed up for insurance. Not medicare or medicaid: insurance.

Signed up as in: paid for.
Because the numbers are as I've reported them. Everyone - insurance companies, democrats in congress, HHS are acknowleding they are getting enrollments at 10% of the rate expected.

They would have to do 3 million enrollments in December to meet their goal. And with 8 days left till the December deadline - it will never happen.

So lets have a bet Dom Ken: If Obamacare hits 3 million paid subscriptions by Dec 23 - I won't post here for a year. And if they don't hit 3 million paid (non medicaid) policies by Dec 23 - you don't post for a year.

Let's put your money where your mouth is...

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

Medicaid and Medicare are insurance.
As to your bet. no. You don't get to define the bet in such a way as to guarantee I'll lose. I will take a bet that 2 million people will have signed up for insurance as of today. No caveats or lies. Take it or leave it.

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux
That bet is of no interest. Dimocrats didn't pass Obamacare to expand medicaid - we could have done that at any time. The promise was that government could do better than for-profit insurance companies.

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux
That bet is of no interest. Dimocrats didn't pass Obamacare to expand medicaid - we could have done that at any time. The promise was that government could do better than for-profit insurance companies.

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ORIGINAL: EdBowie

'Abortion' is also a term that appeared nowhere in my question about contraception and Baptists...

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ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie

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ORIGINAL: EdBowie

Even if you are defining all contraception as 'abortion', you're still not accurately representing the dogma of mainstream Protestants.

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ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie

I think, in general, most Christians are against abortion.

Whether they follow that edict is another question altogether.

I wasn't trying to represent the dogma of mainstream Protestants. Indeed, I wasn't trying to represent anyone at all.

Abortion is a clearly defined term.

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ORIGINAL: AmandaPeace
And health insurance was going so awesome before the ACA, right? You guy remember that? Premiums getting worse and worse and worse every year?
Everything isn't all flowers and butterflies, but now at least there are basic protections that make it so that health insurance companies can't deny people care for a "pre-existing condition" - and millions and millions of people who couldn't afford health care before can afford it now.
That's a big deal.
Even if you secretly don't give a damn about poor people, it's probably in your self-interest to make sure that they're not desperate, in terrible debt from medical expenses, or putting off basic treatments until they become expensive emergency room visits - which they ultimately can't pay for.

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• Personal Responsibility
  
• Help for the truly needy
  
• Limited Government
  
• Consumption Tax (non-profit charities and food exempt)
  

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic


The ACA was enacted with the goals of increasing the quality and affordability of health insurance, lowering the uninsured rate by expanding public and private insurance coverage, and reducing the costs of healthcare for individuals and the government. It introduced a number of mechanisms—including mandates, subsidies, and insurance exchanges—meant to increase coverage and affordability
Medicaid eligibility expanded to include individuals and families with incomes up to 133% of the federal poverty level, including adults without disabilities and without dependent children.The law also provides for a 5% "income disregard", making the effective income eligibility limit for Medicaid 138% of the poverty level. Furthermore, the State Children's Health Insurance Program (CHIP) enrollment process is simplified. However, in National Federation of Independent Business v. Sebelius, the Supreme Court ruled that states may opt out of the Medicaid expansion, and several have done so.

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: AmandaPeace
And health insurance was going so awesome before the ACA, right? You guy remember that? Premiums getting worse and worse and worse every year?
Everything isn't all flowers and butterflies, but now at least there are basic protections that make it so that health insurance companies can't deny people care for a "pre-existing condition" - and millions and millions of people who couldn't afford health care before can afford it now.
That's a big deal.
Even if you secretly don't give a damn about poor people, it's probably in your self-interest to make sure that they're not desperate, in terrible debt from medical expenses, or putting off basic treatments until they become expensive emergency room visits - which they ultimately can't pay for.

Millions and millions of people can afford it because it's become more expensive for others. It was just a cost-shifting strategy. It hasn't actually made insurance (or care) more affordable for everyone. That would have been a bigger deal.

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

He's tossing around lies because the facts are proving him wrong as always. At last count over 2 million Americans have gotten insurance through the exchanges.

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ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

He's tossing around lies because the facts are proving him wrong as always. At last count over 2 million Americans have gotten insurance through the exchanges.

And 5 million have lost insurance during the same period, because of the new mandates.

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Even if you secretly don't give a damn about poor people, it's probably in your self-interest to make sure that they're not desperate, in terrible debt from medical expenses, or putting off basic treatments until they become expensive emergency room visits - which they ultimately can't pay for.

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

He's tossing around lies because the facts are proving him wrong as always. At last count over 2 million Americans have gotten insurance through the exchanges.

And 5 million have lost insurance during the same period, because of the new mandates.

Precisely none of those people have to stay uninsured.

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ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

He's tossing around lies because the facts are proving him wrong as always. At last count over 2 million Americans have gotten insurance through the exchanges.

And 5 million have lost insurance during the same period, because of the new mandates.

Precisely none of those people have to stay uninsured.

Wow. That's got to be one of the top 10 most ridiculous statements in history.

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

http://aspe.hhs.gov/health/reports/2013/MarketPlaceEnrollment/Dec2013/ib_2013dec_enrollment.pdf
These are the official figures, in a pdf form^^^^

Using two month old links wont help...heres an updated one
http://www.cnbc.com/id/101262522

all the figures are there...all kinds of figures how many have signed on for medicare, how many are private, how many have actually signed and how many visitors, over signups n everything.
Gov figures, may not be "factual, but they ARE the official ones...should there be probable ones...Im sure someone will post them
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