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Obamacare takes off... - 12/2/2013 2:38:19 PM   
DaNewAgeViking


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Status: offline 		Well, it seems they have most of the problems with the web site fixed, and sign-ups are starting to pour in.

http://money.msn.com/insurance/latest.aspx?post=cfcdefd0-e8ef-4271-9748-57c750424d89

Isn't that odd after all the gloating by the Radicals on this site?
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RE: Obamacare takes off... - 12/2/2013 2:42:47 PM   
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About 100,000 people signed up for health insurance in November through HealthCare.gov, the plagued online federal health exchange, according to Bloomberg News' Julianna Goldman...

The number, while encouraging for the administration, is still far from its original goal. Marilyn Tavenner, the administrator of the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services, said at a Senate hearing last month that the administration had hoped for 800,000 enrollees in October and November.


Most of those were undoubtedly people who had their insurance cancelled as a result of Obabmacare.....

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RE: Obamacare takes off... - 12/2/2013 2:47:52 PM   
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RE: Obamacare takes off... - 12/2/2013 3:21:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		As was seen with the Massachusetts Healthcare Reform Act of 2007, the number of people in Massachusetts that obtained healthcare grew by leaps and bounds the closer to the cut-off day to the law (before a penalty would be issued). In the first few weeks, not many people signed up, which resulted in conservatives in other states bashing the 'liberal healthcare agenda' as unsuccessful. Yet as time pressed on, the number of US Citizens who were Mass residents climbed as well. An those same conservative bashers lost ground more and more each day. Today, 97% of Mass Residents that are also US Citizens enjoy healthcare coverage (which costs the state less than snow removal).

I predicted that we'll observe the same psychology at world with the ACA as with Mass Health, but only on a larger scale. People need time to sit down, study on the various plans as it relates to their budgets and go with the plan that best fits. People will complain, since that is what people do (i.e. normal human behavior). I would wager a sizable amount of people will have a healthcare plan (directly or indirectly) by the Jan 1, 2014 deadline as defined in the ACA. "The Website was down in November" is NOT an acceptable excuse, since you had 23 days to obtain one. More than enough time for most Americans.

I believe will see actual numbers sometime in January or February of 2014 on both who and what Americans signed up for through heathcare.gov.


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RE: Obamacare takes off... - 12/2/2013 5:41:55 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DaNewAgeViking

Well, it seems they have most of the problems with the web site fixed, and sign-ups are starting to pour in.

http://money.msn.com/insurance/latest.aspx?post=cfcdefd0-e8ef-4271-9748-57c750424d89

Isn't that odd after all the gloating by the Radicals on this site?



So they're up to....now.....(in an entire month)....capable of handling (in an entire month) what Amazon handles....essentially during the entire period that you've been reading this post?

Nice start.

Congrats Obama....we're moving forward.

I'm looking forward to the day they can handle 6% of the folks that sign on to the site.

Like....on the same day.

(Great stuff).

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RE: Obamacare takes off... - 12/2/2013 6:13:01 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DaNewAgeViking
Well, it seems they have most of the problems with the web site fixed, and sign-ups are starting to pour in.

http://money.msn.com/insurance/latest.aspx?post=cfcdefd0-e8ef-4271-9748-57c750424d89

Isn't that odd after all the gloating by the Radicals on this site?



So they're up to....now.....(in an entire month)....capable of handling (in an entire month) what Amazon handles....essentially during the entire period that you've been reading this post?

Nice start.

Congrats Obama....we're moving forward.

I'm looking forward to the day they can handle 6% of the folks that sign on to the site.

Like....on the same day.

(Great stuff).


You should really update your history to current news. I heard FOX News and the Drudge Report only reports false and misleading information. The site handlers believe it can handle 50,000 people at a given time and 800,000 in a day. They have in place crews to handle bugs as they come up and still working on parts of it. Like any website on this scale, there will be stuff that had to be updated and fixed due to any number of circumstances (many having nothing to do with the law or website).

The actual numbers may not be published until January or February of 2014. Hopefully it will have a wealth of information on not just how many signed up, but where they live, the kinds of plans obtained, subsidy costs (yes, I would like to know how much its costing). An to know how many Americans opted for the 'penalty' rather than obtaining a plan before the cut-off date. Even if its a large number of people, I'll be the first to tell you it is not a real indication of the law as a whole. Its 23 days before the cut-off date of Jan 1, 2014. Given all the other things going on right now in America, there will be many Americans that wanted to purchase a plan but simply failed for any number of reasons. While the number of Americans paying the penalty is interesting, the more important question would be 'Why did they take the penalty'? A concept that will NOT be mentioned on FOX News or other right wing media hubs.


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RE: Obamacare takes off... - 12/2/2013 6:16:18 PM   
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ORIGINAL: joether

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ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie
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ORIGINAL: DaNewAgeViking
Well, it seems they have most of the problems with the web site fixed, and sign-ups are starting to pour in.

http://money.msn.com/insurance/latest.aspx?post=cfcdefd0-e8ef-4271-9748-57c750424d89

Isn't that odd after all the gloating by the Radicals on this site?



So they're up to....now.....(in an entire month)....capable of handling (in an entire month) what Amazon handles....essentially during the entire period that you've been reading this post?

Nice start.

Congrats Obama....we're moving forward.

I'm looking forward to the day they can handle 6% of the folks that sign on to the site.

Like....on the same day.

(Great stuff).


You should really update your history to current news. I heard FOX News and the Drudge Report only reports false and misleading information. The site handlers believe it can handle 50,000 people at a given time and 800,000 in a day. They have in place crews to handle bugs as they come up and still working on parts of it. Like any website on this scale, there will be stuff that had to be updated and fixed due to any number of circumstances (many having nothing to do with the law or website).

The actual numbers may not be published until January or February of 2014. Hopefully it will have a wealth of information on not just how many signed up, but where they live, the kinds of plans obtained, subsidy costs (yes, I would like to know how much its costing). An to know how many Americans opted for the 'penalty' rather than obtaining a plan before the cut-off date. Even if its a large number of people, I'll be the first to tell you it is not a real indication of the law as a whole. Its 23 days before the cut-off date of Jan 1, 2014. Given all the other things going on right now in America, there will be many Americans that wanted to purchase a plan but simply failed for any number of reasons. While the number of Americans paying the penalty is interesting, the more important question would be 'Why did they take the penalty'? A concept that will NOT be mentioned on FOX News or other right wing media hubs.




I don't do updates....I prefer my news at least 30 days in retrospect.

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RE: Obamacare takes off... - 12/2/2013 6:50:28 PM   
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I don't do updates....I prefer my news at least 30 days in retrospect.



LOL that really tickled me..

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RE: Obamacare takes off... - 12/2/2013 8:29:39 PM   
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They have in place crews to handle bugs as they come up and still working on parts of it.

that right there is imo likely why many people hold back.. why be one of the human guinea pigs and one of the ones frustrated by the problems with anything new & computer-related? Corps (& govt) putting out crap and letting the consumers discover the pitfalls is a major beef of mine.. and imo, anyone that values their time will wait until they have debugged and finished the site..

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RE: Obamacare takes off... - 12/2/2013 8:49:32 PM   
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ORIGINAL: joether
They have in place crews to handle bugs as they come up and still working on parts of it.

that right there is imo likely why many people hold back.. why be one of the human guinea pigs and one of the ones frustrated by the problems with anything new & computer-related? Corps (& govt) putting out crap and letting the consumers discover the pitfalls is a major beef of mine.. and imo, anyone that values their time will wait until they have debugged and finished the site..

After three decades of us dealing with Microsoft, you'd think they could have at least anticipated the "New Version of Windows Effect", wouldn't you?

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RE: Obamacare takes off... - 12/3/2013 7:09:56 AM   
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Status: offline 		I wonder how many of those theoretical signups were from residents of states not legally allowed to participate?

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RE: Obamacare takes off... - 12/3/2013 7:21:33 AM   
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RE: Obamacare takes off... - 12/3/2013 9:26:48 AM   
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Status: offline 		What's going to take off, apparently, is the personal information of anyone forced onto the government exchanges.

Experts on CNBC essentially say not to use the website.

No security built in

One of their experts said: " the federal Obamacare website needs to be shut down and rebuilt from scratch". Morgan Wright, CEO of Crowd Sourced Investigations said: "There's not a plan to fix this that meets the sniff test of being reasonable."

This was published 11/25.

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RE: Obamacare takes off... - 12/3/2013 11:00:53 AM   
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The dems...mere amateurs.

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RE: Obamacare takes off... - 12/3/2013 11:07:23 AM   
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Status: offline 		Are you saying that since Rs fucked up it proves Obamacare is great?

If not, wtf are you saying?

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RE: Obamacare takes off... - 12/3/2013 11:12:10 AM   
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Status: offline 		its gonna be interesting to see how Obamacare fares a few years down the road.. I lump it in with Medicare and I admit I don't know much about the complex US healthcare system.. but if it is used like Medicare is, I am not sure where the money is gonna come from.. for instance, a 95 year old senior I know is going for cancer treatments (she had cancer treatments in 1984 also).. she has a wound care worker coming in daily and someone takes her blood once a week (for 6 weeks).. the company that does the in-home care was just bought by another company.. today she gets a call saying that instead of a nurse coming today to take her blood and do the wound care, a nurse will come to draw her blood and a wound care person will also come to change her dressing (the wound is the size of a dime).. I asked her why are they sending 2 people out.. she said the reason was so that the wound care person would get credit for it... I then asked her if that meant the govt was gonna get charged for both visits.. that question seemed to flustrate her cuz the cost thing never crossed her mind.. she also told me today that if she had to pay for all the medical treatments she has gotten under medicare she would be broke (I have gotten the impression she has about $1 million in assets/stock), in addition to that, her hubby died at 93 and had one leg amputated, then the other leg.. she is using his scooter (which was originally paid for by medicare) and trying to get medicare to pay for a new wheelchair.. and every week she has 2 to 3 various doctor appointments for her eyes, cancer, wound, etc and various scans, etc..

I see a couple of things happening here.. obviously this in-home care company is profitable or it would not likely have been bought, but now they are finding ways to maximize profit, hence 2 in-care visits when only 1 is actually necessary.. and add to that, people will tend to get out as much from the system in benefits that they possibly can, which they feel entitled to.. just as this woman feels she is since she paid into it (but no where near what she is getting out of it)..

so Obamacare "taking off" is something I will watch with interest from the sidelines (since I am not an American and not gonna be here much longer at any rate).. I wonder how much extra this web design company is being paid to fix their screw-ups/bugs.. I wonder what health care corps & insurance corps are doing to game the new system.. I wonder how much bloat tax payers will get soaked for.. and how much abuse we will be hearing about.. I have read that most of those who have been signing up are those who are older but not old enough for medicare.. I have also read that aarp is telling seniors to call (harass) their kids/grandkids get them to sign up for Obamacare (someone has to pay for them, after all)... I feel sorry for boomer kids, who are gonna get stuck with most of the bills..

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RE: Obamacare takes off... - 12/3/2013 11:27:15 AM   
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Status: offline 		What am I missing here? We have a $97 or so penalty, or 1% of income whichever is greater. Verses a LARGER MONTHLY premium. I can sign up IF I would need expensive healthcare ANYTIME. (they can't refuse you for pre-existing conditions) If you could sign up for car insurance AFTER you had a wreck, and still be covered, who the hell would take out car insurance ahead of time? (Well, maybe Liberals. they arn't too good with math. they actually think this will work!)

The no brainer , at least this year, is to NOT sign up and pay the penalty. If you don't get sick, you saved a years premiums. If you do get sick, It only cost you 1% of income, then sign up.

A person making $100,000.00/yr would NOT qualify for any subsidies and would probably have some sizable premiums. His 1% penalty would only be $1000.00. Probably only one or two months premiums if he had signed up!

Incidently, If I read correctly, a bronze plan only pays 60% of costs. With $100,000.00 dollar bills common for heart or fairly complicated surgery, what the fuck good is that? That leaves YOU to pay $40,000.00! What a deal! What a great policy!

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RE: Obamacare takes off... - 12/3/2013 11:29:40 AM   
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RE: Obamacare takes off... - 12/3/2013 11:36:26 AM   
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They are going to deny care.
That's what the death panels are for.

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RE: Obamacare takes off... - 12/3/2013 11:37:48 AM   
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well, what you are missing is that with no insurance you would pay the 100K plus.

what is stopping someone from signing up for the gold/best plan (with much lower deductibles) once they know they need it? I know that wouldn't happen in every case but could in cases where you were forewarned of impending major healthcare needs..

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