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RE: Obamacare takes off... - 12/3/2013 11:38:49 AM   
truckinslave


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The no brainer , at least this year, is to NOT sign up and pay the penalty.


Yes. QFT.

Only the mathematically challenged cannot see that.

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RE: Obamacare takes off... - 12/3/2013 11:39:06 AM   
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RE: Obamacare takes off... - 12/3/2013 11:40:07 AM   
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They're not going to pay for it.
They are going to deny care.
That's what the death panels are for.

so medicare is also gonna get these death panels?

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RE: Obamacare takes off... - 12/3/2013 11:42:23 AM   
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I say do it.  Remember, I look forward to simple singlepayer national healthcare.

well.. I am not sure what the US version of that looks like!

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RE: Obamacare takes off... - 12/3/2013 11:44:50 AM   
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Status: offline 		Obamacare is designed to fail, destined to fail, cannot help but fail. It is intended to bring about single payer. The only purpose for the death panels is to ration (i.e. deny) care.

Which at some point I agree with, btw. But it's at the point that if you're sick or injured and haven't bothered to get your own health insurance, well, it sucks to be you. Private charity pays for your care or you die.

In other words: freedom, as opposed to government oppression.

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RE: Obamacare takes off... - 12/3/2013 1:15:51 PM   
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well, what you are missing is that with no insurance you would pay the 100K plus.



pay attention. What I said is you sign up after you know you need expensive treatment. Unless Obama lied, they cannot refuse you insurance for a pre-existing condition. (the expensive treatment you need)

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RE: Obamacare takes off... - 12/3/2013 1:18:33 PM   
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I say do it.  Remember, I look forward to simple singlepayer national healthcare.

This is scary, I think I agree with you. IF it was run by COMPETANT people! The current government does not fall in that catragory.

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RE: Obamacare takes off... - 12/3/2013 1:20:25 PM   
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The only purpose for the death panels is to ration (i.e. deny) care.



The only purpose of private insurance co's is to return money to their shareholders.

And... you are aware, I presume, that the private insurance co's have "death panels"?




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RE: Obamacare takes off... - 12/3/2013 1:30:16 PM   
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The only people NOT bitching about Obummercare are Obummer and his Pablum-puking minions and the insurance companies. Hmmmmm





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RE: Obamacare takes off... - 12/3/2013 1:31:59 PM   
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well, what you are missing is that with no insurance you would pay the 100K plus.

what is stopping someone from signing up for the gold/best plan (with much lower deductibles) once they know they need it? I know that wouldn't happen in every case but could in cases where you were forewarned of impending major healthcare needs..


Another poster said if you upgrade a plan, you pay a penalty. But that would be peanuts compared to 40% of a big hospital bill. Another poster said there are easy ways to get out of the penalty too. Something about not paying a utility bill until you get a late notice or shut off notice (giving you a hardship thing) and then paying it before the shutoff. That would not affect your credit rating.

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RE: Obamacare takes off... - 12/3/2013 1:35:32 PM   
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RE: Obamacare takes off... - 12/3/2013 1:43:43 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

Just think about this:

The only people NOT bitching about Obummercare are Obummer and his Pablum-puking minions and the insurance companies. Hmmmmm






Well the pablum puking minions seem to outweigh the shiteating nutsackers by about 8 to 1.  So, I don't know.

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RE: Obamacare takes off... - 12/3/2013 1:47:37 PM   
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The current government does not fall in that catragory.


IMO that sentence begins with two superfluous words.

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RE: Obamacare takes off... - 12/3/2013 1:49:42 PM   
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ORIGINAL: papassion
pay attention. What I said is you sign up after you know you need expensive treatment. Unless Obama lied, they cannot refuse you insurance for a pre-existing condition. (the expensive treatment you need)


Okay, so, it's June 17th. You have no insurance. You get sick, go to ER and are told you have a significant illness - say, cancer. (You are also the proud owner of a brand new
doctor bill.)

June 18th: You calling the insurance company, "I need insurance."

Insurance company. "Sorry, it's not open enrollment. Come back in December and we'll enroll you starting Jan. next year." You're on the hook for your own doctor bills and with cancer, unless you're well-off, expect it to bankrupt you.

It has nothing to do with whether or not you have a pre-existing condition. Timing matters.




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RE: Obamacare takes off... - 12/3/2013 1:50:09 PM   
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The only purpose of private insurance co's is to return money to their shareholders.


Which they do best by retaining their current customers and attracting new ones. And that doesn't happen unless they provide superior customer service.

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And... you are aware, I presume, that the private insurance co's have "death panels"?


No. They have something called "contracts".

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1. Islam and sharia are indivisible.
2. Sharia is barbaric, homophobic, violent, and inimical to the most basic Western values (including free speech and freedom of religion). (Yeah, I know: SEE: Irony 101).
ERGO: Islam has no place in America.

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RE: Obamacare takes off... - 12/3/2013 1:54:11 PM   
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Sorry, it's not open enrollment


Are you certain? I'm under the impression that one of the big "advantages" of Obamacare is that, unlike many situations under the current/previous system, it's open season all the time.

Like drones in Deer Trail, Colorado

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ERGO: Islam has no place in America.

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RE: Obamacare takes off... - 12/3/2013 1:58:03 PM   
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Sorry, it's not open enrollment


Are you certain?


Yes. This is what I used to teach and I'm 100% positive. It's standard industry practice.


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I'm under the impression that one of the big "advantages" of Obamacare is that, unlike many situations under the current/previous system, it's open season all the time.




Your impression is incorrect.


< Message edited by BitaTruble -- 12/3/2013 2:00:25 PM >

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RE: Obamacare takes off... - 12/3/2013 1:59:50 PM   
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< Message edited by BitaTruble -- 12/3/2013 2:00:11 PM >

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RE: Obamacare takes off... - 12/3/2013 2:02:43 PM   
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ORIGINAL: truckinslave

The only purpose for the death panels is to ration (i.e. deny) care.



The only purpose of private insurance co's is to return money to their shareholders.

And... you are aware, I presume, that the private insurance co's have "death panels"?




Nice try, you can give that insurance company the finger and go to another one. What do you do when there are two people who need a procedure but there is only enough medical capacity for one?" The "death panel" decides who is the most worthy. Age? Social standing? ????

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RE: Obamacare takes off... - 12/3/2013 2:04:55 PM   
truckinslave


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You're impression is incorrect.


You just can't make this shit up.

I also looked up- verrrry cursorily- the "open enrollment" blather. One of the "qualifying life events" that entitles one to open enrollment is.... wait for it...... wait....... wait..... not much longer...... moving to another state.... TADA.

So, for the price of a tank of gas and a deposit on an apartment, insurance to cover your cancer.....

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1. Islam and sharia are indivisible.
2. Sharia is barbaric, homophobic, violent, and inimical to the most basic Western values (including free speech and freedom of religion). (Yeah, I know: SEE: Irony 101).
ERGO: Islam has no place in America.

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