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RE: Obamacare takes off... - 12/5/2013 2:36:30 PM   
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Both of the motherfuckers are provable lies. And have been proven, lying nutsackerisms and their total ineptitude aqnd shiteating beside the point.


You constantly come up with totally off the wall statements and never back them up. You say the CBO did NOT say Obama's plan would result in lots of cancellations. Give a reference proving you are correct. That the CBO did NOT say that!

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RE: Obamacare takes off... - 12/5/2013 2:48:27 PM   
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do all companies have "open enrollment" at the same date?


No. "Most" companies are going to have an open enrollment 'period' which runs from Oct 1st through Dec 15th. If you miss that deadline, you'll have to wait until
the next Oct to enroll.

Some companies will have an enrollment period which runs from April 1st through June 15th for insurance which will run from July 1st through June 30. If you don't
enroll by June 15th, you will have to wait until the following April to enroll. Those are usually going to be huge conglo's which generate SO much $ to the insurance
company that they can set the parameters of their policy's.

A very, very few companies will have TWO periods of open enrollment (Large companies like IBM and Cisco have dual enrollment periods). Those 'usually' are going
to be Oct 1st - Dec 15th AND May 1st - June 15th. If you miss your Dec deadline, you would only have to wait until the following May to enroll.

(or if you have a life change event - separate subject though.)

Note: companies who offer two periods of enrollment generally have one of those periods open for a shorter time frame (and usually that's the one in summertime)
to pick up the stragglers from their last open enrollment.



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Or do different companies have different enrollment dates?


They can but as I listed above, it's an exception rather than a general rule.

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If I would take a new job, I have 30-90 days and then insured?


That depends on the company. If they want you bad enough, offering insurance day one can be an added incentive to get you. Some companies make you wait,
some don't.. it's not up to the insurance company to determine when your new employer takes you off probation and offers you full coverage. That said, once
you are hired as an employee, the insurance company will only allow you 60 days from the date your are 'eligible' for the insurance to enroll.

If your company offers you insurance on day one, you have 60 days to enroll or you have to wait for open enrollment.

If your company offers you insurance on day 90, you still have 60 more days to enroll in insurance (due to your eligibility date) before you will have to wait for open
enrollment.





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RE: Obamacare takes off... - 12/5/2013 6:12:15 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: papassion


quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Both of the motherfuckers are provable lies. And have been proven, lying nutsackerisms and their total ineptitude aqnd shiteating beside the point.


You constantly come up with totally off the wall statements and never back them up. You say the CBO did NOT say Obama's plan would result in lots of cancellations. Give a reference proving you are correct. That the CBO did NOT say that!


His statements are pretty much always ignored. He can't prove that the CBO didn't publish statistics showing that millions would lose insurance - because they did.

ABC news reported it.
CBS reported it
The New York times reported it.
Wall street journal.

Not to mention The Hill
and the Federal Register.




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RE: Obamacare takes off... - 12/6/2013 6:45:48 AM   
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ORIGINAL: papassion


quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Both of the motherfuckers are provable lies. And have been proven, lying nutsackerisms and their total ineptitude aqnd shiteating beside the point.


You constantly come up with totally off the wall statements and never back them up. You say the CBO did NOT say Obama's plan would result in lots of cancellations. Give a reference proving you are correct. That the CBO did NOT say that!


His statements are pretty much always ignored. He can't prove that the CBO didn't publish statistics showing that millions would lose insurance - because they did.

ABC news reported it.
CBS reported it
The New York times reported it.
Wall street journal.

Not to mention The Hill
and the Federal Register.






Uh, the addition of lies to already lying is a typical ploy of nutsackers.  NOWHERE did I say anything about what the CBO has said.  NOWHERE.   And why is that strawman at question?

Cuz you are trying to buttress lies with lies?  Thats fuckin stupid. 

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RE: Obamacare takes off... - 12/6/2013 10:47:36 AM   
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total bullshit. You got caught big time in a lie and now trying to double talk your way out. You say you did not mention the CBO. You didn't say CBO but you implied that what was posted, an article about the CBO, and DOCUMENTED, was bullshit.

The moderators should have a policy that anyone who disputes a DOCUMENTED source, should have to provide a DOCUMENTED source to dispute it. This would keep the threads accurate ad troll free.


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RE: Obamacare takes off... - 12/6/2013 10:55:19 AM   
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Not at all,  I posted the lie that was posted.  And outright said it was a fuckin lie.  Go speak to it, and not what you pretend. 

And jeeze, nutsackers don't want that sort of moderation, particularly you as well,  you wouldnt have made it past your first post on this site, or any subsequent post you have ever made. 

You spew the stupidest asswipe imaginable day in and day out (and its like a computer, no matter how much documentation and credible citation is provided you that you are howling horseshit, you reboot and regurgitate the same shit ate yesterday.)


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RE: Obamacare takes off... - 12/6/2013 10:56:25 AM   
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and we would never hear from you again..
the point is that people knew in 2010 what was , but everyone ignored it,until now, and are grabbing at straws trying to find anything to shore up their claims... only to look like congenital morons, or finding a way to flaunt the law....


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RE: Obamacare takes off... - 12/6/2013 11:30:04 AM   
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In my quest for more knowledge, I googled nutsacker. One of the things that came up was something about
Barney Frank complaining that some people at a Bachmann tea party thing using that term and he considered it hate speech.

Since you do not use that term in a manner of endearment, wouldn't you be guilty of spewing hate speech? Don't you think you should refrain from using hate speech as a courtesy to the gay men in here?

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RE: Obamacare takes off... - 12/6/2013 11:35:20 AM   
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50 % of the population has a nutsack
quite a few of the other 50 % like them as well

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RE: Obamacare takes off... - 12/6/2013 11:35:45 AM   
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Is having a nutsack strictly gay now?  Is that the horseshit you are trying to peddle?


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RE: Obamacare takes off... - 12/6/2013 11:44:46 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: papassion

In my quest for more knowledge, I googled nutsacker. One of the things that came up was something about
Barney Frank complaining that some people at a Bachmann tea party thing using that term and he considered it hate speech.

Since you do not use that term in a manner of endearment, wouldn't you be guilty of spewing hate speech? Don't you think you should refrain from using hate speech as a courtesy to the gay men in here?


I think you found results for "nutsucker" which we do not allow here, rather than "nutsacker."

If further discussion about this is needed, please CMail me or take it to another thread.

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RE: Obamacare takes off... - 12/6/2013 11:51:04 AM   
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Is having a nutsack strictly gay now?  Is that the horseshit you are trying to peddle?


More double talk. Using a practice gay men use, CLEARLY to insult a straight man, is hate speech.

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RE: Obamacare takes off... - 12/6/2013 11:55:26 AM   
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nutsack is a gay sex practice?  geeze, you appear to be an expert, tell me how its done.

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RE: Obamacare takes off... - 12/6/2013 12:29:13 PM   
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Hopefully the tide will turn:






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RE: Obamacare takes off... - 12/6/2013 2:40:49 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux
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ORIGINAL: papassion
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ORIGINAL: mnottertail
Both of the motherfuckers are provable lies. And have been proven, lying nutsackerisms and their total ineptitude aqnd shiteating beside the point.

You constantly come up with totally off the wall statements and never back them up. You say the CBO did NOT say Obama's plan would result in lots of cancellations. Give a reference proving you are correct. That the CBO did NOT say that!

His statements are pretty much always ignored. He can't prove that the CBO didn't publish statistics showing that millions would lose insurance - because they did.


Pot calling the kettle black! HOW many threads have you been shown your lies and crap are bogus with facts and evidence? Like all of them so far? You have been wrong on so many subjects and concepts that one has to wonder if you even know how to perform a simple google.com search (or bing.com if that's yours game). Unlike you Phydeaux, 'Tails posts tend to hold factual information.

Now, some history....

Not one of the companies you list below:

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phyedaux
ABC news reported it.
CBS reported it
The New York times reported it.
Wall street journal.

Not to mention The Hill
and the Federal Register.


....published any material in 2009, 2010, or 2011 that cancellations of insurance policies would take place. When I read the ACA I figured about 50% of outstanding policies would never get grandfathered in under the new rules. The ACA spelled out what is not allowed in regards to policies. However, most media sources never published this sort of information for one reason or another in any of those three years. It only came into importance in the last several months when the Republicans failed for the 43rd time and the Partial Government Shutdown to stop it. What if the media knew of this back in 2010 or 2011 and didn't bring it up due to many other juicy events to cover? Since 'what happens in 2013' was considered 'a long time off' and that the law would be 'struck down by the US Supreme Court as unconstitutional' in 2010 and 2011.

If your going to blame Democrats for not seeing the higher than expected cancellations due to the ACA. Then its fair to blame 9/11 on Republicans since they are the ones that created the problems that arrived as at that date. And we can blame conservatives for 4/19/95, since their 'political ideology' pushed events to that explosive day.

If the Democrats had a crystal ball to look into the future, its more likely they would have pushed the President's original bill than what would become known as the Affordable Care Act. They would know in 2009 that Republicans were totally dishonorable and without credibility to be taken seriously, and pass a better bill rather than compromise on it.

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RE: Obamacare takes off... - 12/6/2013 8:25:08 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: joether

Pot calling the kettle black! HOW many threads have you been shown your lies and crap are bogus with facts and evidence?



None.

As for your assertion
quote:

'Tails posts tend to hold factual information.


I'll make a bet with you. I'll pick a year - you can pick the month. We'll count the next 150 quotes from Motter tail.
'tend' would certainly suggest a majority of the time. But I will be way generous.

I'll bet that Mottertail doesn't make any kind of link to mainstream source 15% of the time. Ie., less than 15% of the time does he quote a mainstream source.

I'll make a side bet that 75% of the time that he is either deriding his opponent or his argument. And over the last 6 months I'll bet he's used the offensive term nutsxxxxx in at least 200 posts.

Put your money where your mouth is.

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Now, some history....

Not one of the companies you list below:

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phyedaux
ABC news reported it.
CBS reported it
The New York times reported it.
Wall street journal.

Not to mention The Hill
and the Federal Register.


....published any material in 2009, 2010, or 2011 that cancellations of insurance policies would take place.


Simply not true, and once again, revealing your ignorance on the topic. Both of the capitol hill reporting services reported on the numbers published in the federal register.

Additionally, your assertion that no main stream media reported on possible insurance losses is just plain and simply wrong.
When I read Sibelius's preliminary rules what - 3 years ago it was immediately obvious that the statement "if you like your healthcare you can keep it" was blatantly false.

When the preliminary memo was leaked along with estimates of how many people would lose insurance - it was covered in many mainstream new arenas. Of course, since you don't watch/listen to any mainstream news channels you wouldn't have heard it or read about it.

I posted months ago that millions of people were going to lose health care coverage. I said that for 2013 the net effect of this law would be that FEWER people had health insurance - and that this would be possibly true for the entire year of 2014.

If you don't count "medixxxx" as insurance (as I do not) it is almost assured that 2014 will have a net loss of insurance. And, if the country is so stupid as to continue down this path, that losses as much as 10x bigger will occur in 2015 - or whenever O'Stupid care hits the group/employer markets.

just because fanboy that you are *you* didn't see this coming, doesn't mean thousands of others didn't.

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If your going to blame Democrats for not seeing the higher than expected cancellations due to the ACA. Then its fair to blame 9/11 on Republicans since they are the ones that created the problems that arrived as at that date. And we can blame conservatives for 4/19/95, since their 'political ideology' pushed events to that explosive day.



Really? You really just blamed Republicans for 9/11? LOL... Do please continue. In fact I think I will close my sig with
Joelther 'it's fair to blame 9/11 on Republicans".

And you blame conservatives for Timothy Mckvay. Niice.

Well, I don't blame the dims for 9/11, even tho it was Clinton that declined to pay Suday a few million dollars for Osama bin Laden..

Returning to the question of healthcare for a minute - its as if you seem to think the health care cancellations happened by accident.

Do you understand that the regulations were FORMULATED by the obama administration. Do you realize that administration had thousands of hours of consultations with insurers?

So of course its fair to blame dimocrats - the passed the law, they formulated the policies.
Did you not listen to the testimony at congress, or that happened in the California insurance public hearings, or the New York Insurance public hearing.

Insurance executives said: They were required to cancel those policies in order to drive enough subscribers to the exchanges. That without them the exchanges could not function. And that is why the states and insurers in half the states are declining to extend current policies.

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If the Democrats had a crystal ball to look into the future, its more likely they would have pushed the President's original bill than what would become known as the Affordable Care Act. They would know in 2009 that Republicans were totally dishonorable and without credibility to be taken seriously, and pass a better bill rather than compromise on it.


If the dimocrats had the brains god gave sexually transmitted diseases they would have seen the writing on the wall for the past three years that said that the majority of americans do not like this bill.

So joelther.

I told you that the rollout of this healthcare was going to be a flop. It was.
I told you that millions of people would lose healthcare - they have.
I told you that the IRS was going to go to an honor system and not verify. They have.
I've made 5 more predictions in previous threads, regarding total number covered, IRS problems that will arise in April due to political interference - and what will happen over the summer.

So. The media with their every shallow coverage are starting to line up to their natural liberal bent.
But I guarantee you that january will give fresh stories of rollout troubles.

I guarantee you young people will not sign up in the numbers needed, and according to projections.

And I guarantee that even after the extended enrollment that the president will be millions of subscribers short of the 30 million - oops 7 million projection for coverage.





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RE: Obamacare takes off... - 12/7/2013 12:14:58 AM   
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This is EASY to get out of.
Simply tell the feds that you're "Muslim" and you're excused from it under "religious grounds."
Seems Muslims see anything like this as "insurance" which is verboten in their....."religion."
What are the feds going to do, try to tell you that you're "not muslim?" lol

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RE: Obamacare takes off... - 12/7/2013 4:56:38 AM   
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You don't have to be Muslim. You can tell them its against your "personal" religious beliefs. No one can refute that; but in the meantime you are looking at not having ANY health insurance at all and if you suffer a serious accident or injury your costs are straight out of pocket.

And to the poster who mentioned pretending to move to another state to get immediate enrollment? Insurance fraud is a felony.

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

This is EASY to get out of.
Simply tell the feds that you're "Muslim" and you're excused from it under "religious grounds."
Seems Muslims see anything like this as "insurance" which is verboten in their....."religion."
What are the feds going to do, try to tell you that you're "not muslim?" lol


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RE: Obamacare takes off... - 12/7/2013 6:56:56 AM   
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FR,

This is a reminder to not turn back-and-forth between members into a hijack of the thread. Please return to the topic, which is not other poster's posting styles.

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RE: Obamacare takes off... - 12/7/2013 10:11:07 AM   
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ORIGINAL: MsMJAY

You don't have to be Muslim. You can tell them its against your "personal" religious beliefs. No one can refute that; but in the meantime you are looking at not having ANY health insurance at all and if you suffer a serious accident or injury your costs are straight out of pocket.

And to the poster who mentioned pretending to move to another state to get immediate enrollment? Insurance fraud is a felony.

quote:

ORIGINAL: popeye1250

This is EASY to get out of.
Simply tell the feds that you're "Muslim" and you're excused from it under "religious grounds."
Seems Muslims see anything like this as "insurance" which is verboten in their....."religion."
What are the feds going to do, try to tell you that you're "not muslim?" lol




I'm afraid thats not true. The ACA has very limited exceptions for religions, and only certain religions have specific exemptions. I remember one for the amish, for example.

But the general 'its against my religion' thing at present is not a valid defense. That might change after the supreme court hears hobby.

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